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[InvaderErl]

Comsky159 wrote...
So even though it was blatant fanservice, I'm still going to go with Tali because at least with her there was the illusion of an evolutionary relationship.

I agree.

A couple of moments throughout ME2 + the intimacy and emotion shared between Shepard and Tali, especially towards the end, really served as a solid lead-in to the romance for me.

Roxy12 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

That's not to say there isn't some hero worship going on but they both do that, Liara in that sense is no different, 

I agree - and that's the reason why I really don't like Liara's romance arc in ME1. But at the end of LotSB, she is very clearly an equal partner for Shepard. Tali hasn't reached that point yet (imo).

Fair enough, I can understand where you're coming from there, even if I don't necessarily agree.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 19 juin 2011 - 11:33 .

[Vilio1]

I like both characters: Liara as a love interest, Tali as a friend (quarian/turian/drell romances are a bit too exotic for me ).

[MegaBadExample]

My Shepard played both. Still waiting on that alien threesome. (I think Liara was down for it before.).........Just gotta talk Tali round.

Shepard's a jerk.

Modifié par MegaBadExample, 19 juin 2011 - 12:06 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

I like Liara's romance better, if only for the fact that she doesn't require you to cover up a major war crime.

[Alienmorph]

My two favourite female characters of the series, so well... first of all I'm glad we'll have back both onf them in ME3. Second, about the comparison...

Liara - in ME1 was the girl with the biggest damsel-in-distress syndrome (self-trapped in a bubble, while both Tali and Ash were fighting the first time we met them...) but after she moved on her initial shiness and insecurity she grew up admirabily, and now she's one of the most powerful person in the galaxy.

Tali - in ME1 she was more cinic and unconfidential, mostly because how bad her species is treated by the others. In ME2 she's calmer and more open-minded (working with Cerberus and even a Geth...) so I admit that she can look more naive and less bad**s (still, take her to the correct missions/sidequest and you'll see that the "old" Tali is still there), but I like a lot the fact that handling in the correct way her dialogues since ME1 there's a good progression from the squadmate-friend-LI status.

Overally, I like moar Tali as LI for my canon ManShep, but I'm very curious to see what will happen with Liara too in ME3, so I'm going to make a canon FemShep too that will 'mance only her to see what the future will bring to both Tali and Liara. Anyway, I don't think that any of them is the silly Shepard's fangirl that the haters or the pro-human LIs want to picture: the fact that they seems both deeply involved with Shepard doesn't mean that can't kick hard some a**es when it's needed. Liara already prooved it in LotSB, I hope that Tali will have a similar chance in ME3.

All this, off course, imoh.

[CroGamer002]

ME1 Liara: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Nearly bad as Jacob.
ME2 Liara: Wow! What happen to you?
LotSB Liara: Thumb up Bioware. You went in right direction with Liara's character.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I suppose Liara and Tali do have quite a bit in common. My first impressions of them were pretty similar: nerdy, attractive, cute voice. So I was interested to find out more about them. I'm not sure I'd describe either of them as shy, neither seemed afraid to voice their opinion just sometimes they'd be a bit awkward and embarrassed when they did.
Despite them being quite similar I like Liara a lot more, maybe I'd like Tali more if she was a LI for femshep but I'm not convinced. Tali put me off when she was talking about the Geth. Maybe I've watched too much Star Trek but to me if something you make starts showing signs of sentience you don't go "Quick, kill it! Kill it!" It irked me and I don't think I ever got past that.

[fenix8081]

Exolyps wrote...

I was actually interested in Tali over Liara even from the first game, she had that appeal noone else had. But as the option was not there, I somehow got ambushed by Liara and she ended up bedding me. In ME2 it was all Tali and no Liara. Replaying my ME2 run just now, but I intend to be even harsher on Liara on LotSB to make sure she understand that Tali is all that matters now.

I have to agree with this.  The entire first game I was upset that Tali wasn't an option.  Maybe it's the accent, maybe it's the mystery of not knowing what she looks like, maybe it's the interesting aspects of Quarian culture, but it drew me in.  Liara drew me in to, but it felt like settling when it became clear Tali wasn't a LI option.

ME 2 took it to a new level.  Liara's character developed in an interesting direction, but not in the way I was attracted to her initially.  LotSB was some of the best interaction you have with your crewmates, but it didn't draw me in as much as Tali.  There's a cuteness to her stumbling and I feel like my need to protect her and take care of her goes much deeper than a damsel in distress.  Like someone else mentioned above, she's only vulnerable with Shepard, which shows how close their relationship can be.  Liara lets down the walls a bit by the end of LotSB, but she's still harsh.

It really depends on ME3.  My Shepard loves Tali, but doesn't buy into the thought that the geth need to be wiped out.  He sees how the quarians are partially to blame, and it seems like Tali can see that viewpoint, but she's very loyal to her people.  Now that Liara is back, she may soften up a bit in ME3 even more than she seemed to in LotSB.  I'm kind of upset that she's a constant party member though, since her role as the Shadow Broker seemed kind of essential...I assume her Drell friend holds down the fort for her.

Ultimately it'll depend on how ME3 carries out for my first playthrough of my canon Shep and I'll explore the other side with another playthrough.

[Sundiization]

I like...

...Liara cause:
- She's hot
- Her Biotics are really useful for my Infiltrator
- She is only squadmate so far that can't be killed at any point

...Tali cause:
- Her voice  souns so cool
- She has a certain mystique

[BatmanPWNS]

Funny since I can't stand Liara and like Tali and yet they have things in common.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

One's a scientist turned information broker, and the other one's a doormat in a space suit. But they both have hilariously implausible biology.

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 07 juillet 2011 - 07:13 .

[Quole]

Liara turned into a psychopath in ME2.

[Jeanne22]

Liara is my favorite.

I like Tali's character too, but I can't take her romance serious at all.

[Dariustwinblade]

Why ppl compare Liara to Tali is beyond me. Both are completely different character. IMO Liara is superior to Tali in every possible way. I can bearly stand Tali's voice its soo annoying her loyalty is good but the damsel in distress and fragile nerdy girl quickly wears off.

ME1 my shep was intrigued by an Asari. Liara was intrigued by Shep. Both sides got what they wanted.

ME2... WTF happened to you.

Read Redemption...oh! Now I understand what you did for me I couldn't ask for a better lover/friend.


Lotsb.... WOWZA dame baby your the one for me.

[Hypnotix0000]

Playing through both games, I enjoyed Tali's presence. Normally very lighthearted, Liara was the same, but I didn't connect to her as much. I felt sad after Noveria with her, but again I wasn't nearly as attached. Overall, I prefer Tali, but I do hold a place for Liara on my other saves.

[goofyomnivore]

I never got into Tali. I liked her more in ME1 than ME2. Liara's personality I like very much. I'm kind of a sap for the nerdy girl next door types. Liara had that without it being too extreme like Tali gets in ME2.

Although my big knock against them is being alien, I dunno from a roleplay pov it makes me hard to romance em because of that. I dunno if that is a shallow reason or not. If Liara was human she would be on par with Miranda for me anyways.

[Dean_the_Young]

I have a hard time seeing how Liara can be considered a strong-willed and independent woman, considering her character history to date has revolved around obsessing over Shepard and then obsessing over Feron, and then back to Shepard.

'Obsessing' might wrongly imply stalker-ish behavior, but it's hard to think of another word that fits. In Mass Effect 1, the crux of Liara's development was based around her interest in Shepard. In the comic, she couldn't let Shepard go even after death. In ME2, her fixation is about helping/avenging Feron. After LotSB, she's still thinking about how she can help Shepard first and foremost.

An independent character is generally one who can be constructed on their own, not because they are leaning against one man or another. Ashley and Kaiden are independent characters: while they might be interested in Shepard, their non-romanceable potential also insures that their character derives independently. Wrex is another good case. Liara, however, is developed by her strong ties/need to help/fix/correct someone in particular (usually Shepard).


As for strong willed... nothing particularly stands out as a demonstration of will that other characters wouldn't pass.

[Dean_the_Young]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I like Liara's romance better, if only for the fact that she doesn't require you to cover up a major war crime.

Nah, she just makes you cover up the galaxy's largest crime ring.

[jlb524]

I've never had the impression that the pair were similar, beyond 'lulz, virginal hot alien chick'.

Liara's a lot more serious than Tali...and introverted. Tali's more sociable/playful.

I would say both are pretty strong in their convictions, though...and intelligent in different ways (Liara = book smarts, Tali = tech smarts).

Modifié par jlb524, 08 juillet 2011 - 01:41 .

[Spartanburger]

It is those who can like/love the many characters, who's fans normally battle it out on the forums, that I respect heavily.

[Han Shot First]

Quole wrote...

Liara turned into a psychopath in ME2.

No, she didn't.

Liara has a ruthless streak in ME2 and LotSB but that hardly makes her a psychopath. The people she's being ruthless with are the dregs of Illium, and lackeys of the Shadow Broker. You know, that guy that was working with the Collectors to steal Shepard's body, and who was actively plotting to murder Liara.

 She's not out murdering innocent people for the lulz, like Morinth.

[Orion1836]

One key point missed about Tali: Snark. She has it in SPADES, and it is awesome.

Honestly, I like both characters. Having only read a little bit about the series before playing it, I was hugely intrigued by the Asari and Liara's character in particular. However, when I actually played ME1, Liara kind of underwhelmed me. Tali, on the other hand, was far more interesting. I thought it was a shame that she wasn't a LI, kind of like Juhani wasn't in KOTOR. For the record, I found Mission and Juhani far more interesting than Bastila ever was.

Still, Liara was a lovable character, and had Tali never been made a LI, she would have remained my Shepard's "canon" LI for the series. On top of that, Liara received some fantastic character development in ME2, so much so that I personally think Bioware views her as the "canon" LI for both male and female Shepards. However, the second I found out Tali was a LI in ME2, I replayed ME1 without a romance option just so that Shepard could romance her without the cheating ramifications later on.

[Quole]

Han Shot First wrote...

Quole wrote...

Liara turned into a psychopath in ME2.

No, she didn't.

Liara has a ruthless streak in ME2 and LotSB but that hardly makes her a psychopath. The people she's being ruthless with are the dregs of Illium, and lackeys of the Shadow Broker. You know, that guy that was working with the Collectors to steal Shepard's body, and who was actively plotting to murder Liara.

 She's not out murdering innocent people for the lulz, like Morinth.

The first thing she says in ME2 is a key indicator that she has become psycotic. You cant deny it.

[Han Shot First]

Quole wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Quole wrote...

Liara turned into a psychopath in ME2.

No, she didn't.

Liara has a ruthless streak in ME2 and LotSB but that hardly makes her a psychopath. The people she's being ruthless with are the dregs of Illium, and lackeys of the Shadow Broker. You know, that guy that was working with the Collectors to steal Shepard's body, and who was actively plotting to murder Liara.

 She's not out murdering innocent people for the lulz, like Morinth.

The first thing she says in ME2 is a key indicator that she has become psycotic. You cant deny it.

She threatens to flay someone with her mind who hasn't paid her.

But, you aren't given any context. Who is the person she was threatening and why does he owe Liara money?

Considering that Liara is an information broker on Illium and now rubbing elbows with fringe elements and other undesirables, it's safe to assume that the deadbeat is no saint. That, and we don't actually see Liara flaying anyone with her mind in her spare time just for the lulz. As an information broker she's also got to project an image of a fearsome character, whether that reputation is real or imagined, or she's going to be a doormat for the scum, villainy, and actual psychopaths she crosses paths with.

Threatening someone, even if it is with violence, does not necessarily make you a psychopath. How many people does Shepard threaten in game?

One of the defining traits of a psychopath also is the inability to feel empathy towards other people. We know Liara doesn't have this problem, as she even feels sorry the suffering Saren endures from being indoctrinated.

Morinth is a good example of a psychopath in game. She murders innocent people for sexual pleasure. She's an Asari version of Ted Bundy or Ed Gein.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 09 juillet 2011 - 07:46 .

[Quole]

Han Shot First wrote...

Quole wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Quole wrote...

Liara turned into a psychopath in ME2.

No, she didn't.

Liara has a ruthless streak in ME2 and LotSB but that hardly makes her a psychopath. The people she's being ruthless with are the dregs of Illium, and lackeys of the Shadow Broker. You know, that guy that was working with the Collectors to steal Shepard's body, and who was actively plotting to murder Liara.

 She's not out murdering innocent people for the lulz, like Morinth.

The first thing she says in ME2 is a key indicator that she has become psycotic. You cant deny it.

She threatens to flay someone with her mind who hasn't paid her.

But, you aren't given any context. Who is the person she was threatening and why does he owe Liara money?

Considering that Liara is an information broker on Illium and now rubbing elbows with fringe elements and other undesirables, it's safe to assume that the deadbeat is no saint. That, and we don't actually see Liara flaying anyone with her mind in her spare time just for the lulz. As an information broker she's also got to project an image of a fearsome character, whether that reputation is real or imagined, or she's going to be a doormat for the scum, villainy, and actual psychopaths she crosses paths with.

Threatening someone, even if it is with violence, does not necessarily make you a psychopath. How many people does Shepard threaten in game?

One of the defining traits of a psychopath also is the inability to feel empathy towards other people. We know Liara doesn't have this problem, as she even feels sorry the suffering Saren endures from being indoctrinated..

Shepard threatens nobody ever, even if you are renegade. Liara is clearly a psycopath.