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[Chromie]

Schrijver wrote...

Yeah, but it's - ehw - fantasy... With elves and stuff. Plus hacking and slashing. The only thing that makes Witcher 2 better is the nudity.

Every game Bioware has made is fantasy except Mass Effect and that's besides the point. Non linear gameplay is something Witcher 2 did so much better then anything in ME or DA.

[Davie McG]

Has anyone stated a minimum number of endings for me3 yet?

[Fogg]

Ringo12 wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

Yeah, but it's - ehw - fantasy... With elves and stuff. Plus hacking and slashing. The only thing that makes Witcher 2 better is the nudity.

Every game Bioware has made is fantasy except Mass Effect and that's besides the point. Non linear gameplay is something Witcher 2 did so much better then anything in ME or DA.

I only played KOTOR, no elves there. 

[Chromie]

Schrijver wrote...
I only played KOTOR, no elves there. 

Star Wars is fantasy.

Modifié par Ringo12, 19 juin 2011 - 02:15 .

[Fogg]

Ringo12 wrote...

Schrijver wrote...
I only played KOTOR, no elves there. 

Star Wars is fantasy.

Tell that to the people that banned me from that LARP-event last month because I showed up as a Wookie

[Haristo]

Schrijver wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

Yeah, but it's - ehw - fantasy... With elves and stuff. Plus hacking and slashing. The only thing that makes Witcher 2 better is the nudity.

Every game Bioware has made is fantasy except Mass Effect and that's besides the point. Non linear gameplay is something Witcher 2 did so much better then anything in ME or DA.

I only played KOTOR, no elves there. 

hehe... you don't know anything about...  STAR WARS EXPANDED UNIVERSE !

Stating a game is crap like you did because it is fantasy (and some great one, this author is a kind of Polack Tolkien or maybe better)  is stupid. it has

1) really good gameplay, But on this point Mass Effect is unique and great so no need to compare.
2) a great story, too different to be compared to ME, maybe DA2...
3) REPLAYABILITY and Non-Linearity. and this is where we can compare any single BioWare games with The Witcher 2. you must have never played it to not understand how unique this game is on this point. it's like playing two games on the same one and this is where I think BioWare (having plenty of ressource to do it) should go. the Mass Effect Experience must feel unique and new during at least your third or fourth walkthrough..

Modifié par Haristo, 19 juin 2011 - 02:20 .

[Niddy']

If they copy anything it should be the sex scenes....hey oh!

[Haristo]

Niddy' wrote...

If they copy anything it should be the sex scenes....hey oh!

Yeah... it was a little rough for nothing... it fitted in The Witcher because this is a dark game and most of the comic relief on it was based on sex... it definitly don't have its place in Mass Effect. showing a little more bewbs, this I agree, otherwise ME1's level was okay.

[DragonRageGT]

Schrijver wrote...

Yeah, but it's - ehw - fantasy... With elves and stuff. Plus hacking and slashing. The only thing that makes Witcher 2 better is the nudity.

You mean, a game for adults "who have supposedly some degree of inteligence", as some reviewers said? TW2 has raised the bar for the genre. ME is a different genre. When I want a sci-fi shooter I play ME1&2. And I do want them a lot. I have many replays with it and one ongoing run right now in ME1... which is halted because I can't stop playing TW2!

ME3 really should have an Insanity difficulty that equals Insane diff on TW2. Hardcore, baby! But the sex scenes, somehow I doubt they will have their clothes off. Very mature... for teens!

[Therefore_I_Am]

Ringo12 wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

Yeah, but it's - ehw - fantasy... With elves and stuff. Plus hacking and slashing. The only thing that makes Witcher 2 better is the nudity.

Every game Bioware has made is fantasy except Mass Effect and that's besides the point. Non linear gameplay is something Witcher 2 did so much better then anything in ME or DA.

Comparing ME with the Witcher in that context? And exaggerating no less?? I'm surprised you're not banned from these forums already, because I swear you's be trollin.

Modifié par Therefore_I_Am, 19 juin 2011 - 02:59 .

[Bail_Darilar]

Wow another witcher 2 thread. The game has some awesome points but there are quite a few negatives that are always missed:
1. The game is short and on subsequent playthroughs this is very evident.
2. Many PC's dont have the capabilities to play the game even on the lowest settings.
3. Nothing bar the major choices you make have any impact in later parts of the game.
4. The map and quest log can at times be incredibly unclear on what your meant to be doing (Harpy quest).
5. The alchemist tree is useless for the most part.
Thats just off the top of my head. On the topic though, I don't think they sould alter Mass Effect as it is, maybe some of the good points of Witcher can be implemented into DA but not ME.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Yes. Because this is the forum for discussing how much better the Witcher 2 is better than Mass Effect.

[Haristo]

Bail_Darilar wrote...

Wow another witcher 2 thread. The game has some awesome points but there are quite a few negatives that are always missed:
1. The game is short and on subsequent playthroughs this is very evident.
2. Many PC's dont have the capabilities to play the game even on the lowest settings.
3. Nothing bar the major choices you make have any impact in later parts of the game.
4. The map and quest log can at times be incredibly unclear on what your meant to be doing (Harpy quest).
5. The alchemist tree is useless for the most part.
Thats just off the top of my head. On the topic though, I don't think they sould alter Mass Effect as it is, maybe some of the good points of Witcher can be implemented into DA but not ME.

1) not that much... It took me something like 20 or 25 hours to finish it (including almost every optionnal quests). it was decent.
2) This I agree... The Witcher 2 is totally not a game everyone can play on their Dell Inspiron...
3) uh ?!? No ?
4) ****ing right... the main reason why I was unable to do some part of the optionnal quests is because they mispelled something or mistranslated (stupid example : Foetus in the quest log, but the item is Embryo...). I consider this is because the developpers' first language is Polack. BioWare will never have this issue as good ol' (not french) canadians.
5) true.

anyway that was not the point. it was about non-linearity and since BioWare wants to be the ''replay value'' masters (C'mon ! ''you can reroll and enjoy a brand new experience'' for an MMO ??? you're going a little too far !). this is the type of stuff they should do.

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Yes. Because this is the forum for discussing how much better the Witcher 2 is better than Mass Effect.

totally wrong. Both games are too different to be compared, TW2 could and can be compared to Dragon Age II in my opinion and not to Mass Effect from who he shares nothing. I am comparing their non-linearity : how those games does to DON'T be a ****ing Final Corridor XIII. of course CD Projeckt did better, they had plenty of time watching Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect 2 and some other games from some other developpers (Alpha Protocol from Obsidian, its gameplay sucks but the story is great...) and do better. Now that they proved a game can be a fresh new experience while playing it twice or more, BioWare should do similar but NOT BY ALIENATING MASS EFFECT.

It means : I don't want rough sex, no ''Geralt Shepard'', no ****ing everything ''The Witcher'' related, just taking in example how they did to make the game non linear and how our choices influenced the scenario for real instead of ''Wrex died ? here another dude to repleace it, the scenario goes on...''

Modifié par Haristo, 19 juin 2011 - 03:27 .

[Shifty Assassin]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Not enough that witcher 2 threads flooded the da2 forums to the point where I can no longer tolerate them, now they had to seep in me3 forums. You like the game, we get it already.

^this. Its starting to get really annoying to have people compare Tw2 to bioware games but you guys just dont know when to stop.

[onelifecrisis]

Witcher 2 has 16 endings? Like, totally different endings? If so, that's sweet.

As for BW making a branching story... doubtful IMO. They can hardly manage to make a branching conversation without things breaking.

Personally I'm expecting more of the same i.e. previous decisions will result in emails, same-room side quests, and probably some differences in CG scenes near the end of the game.

[Bail_Darilar]

Haristo wrote...

1) not that much... It took me something like 20 or 25 hours to finish it (including almost every optionnal quests). it was decent.
2) This I agree... The Witcher 2 is totally not a game everyone can play on their Dell Inspiron...
3) uh ?!? No ?
4) ****ing right... the main reason why I was unable to do some part of the optionnal quests is because they mispelled something or mistranslated (stupid example : Foetus in the quest log, but the item is Embryo...). I consider this is because the developpers' first language is Polack. BioWare will never have this issue as good ol' (not french) canadians.
5) true.

anyway that was not the point. it was about non-linearity and since BioWare wants to be the ''replay value'' masters (C'mon ! ''you can reroll and enjoy a brand new experience'' for an MMO ??? you're going a little too far !). this is the type of stuff they should do.

1. I guess it depends on your definition of long, I expect an RPG to last alot longer than most games, 40 hrs is a minimum for me for an RPG. I was impressed by the length of the first and second chapter but the third was just too short and ruined the experience. Also the finales for bothe the second ad thrid chapters were'nt that good.
3. I don't know what choices you think have any major impact but none of the sidequests choices alter the later parts of the game apart from sometimes extra dialogue. Only the Major choices affect which paths you take.

I agree that DA2 could learn alot from Witcher 2 in terms of story progression and control over story, but not Mass Effect. Since each Mass  Effect games are tied it's hard to realistically deviate an incredible amount, ME3 however has no such restriction being the last in the series and therefore has alot more room the deviate. BW have already spoken how we have multiple endings and from the sounds of it we will have a huge amount of choice on how we approach the endgame and it could be potentially different for everyone.

[Haristo]

Shifty Assassin wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Not enough that witcher 2 threads flooded the da2 forums to the point where I can no longer tolerate them, now they had to seep in me3 forums. You like the game, we get it already.

^this. Its starting to get really annoying to have people compare Tw2 to bioware games but you guys just dont know when to stop.

well this is the first time I ever says something about The Witcher in those forums... if New Vegas had this way to make a walkthrough unique while NOT ruining the story, my thread may be about New Vegas and how my Walkthrough number 2 was different to my Walkthrough number 2452345...  but New Vegas' Story is dull and a pretext for unlimited freedom so it doesn't count.

I think they must be compared, at least one, because this is the concept of evolution. With KOTOR and compagny (never played BioWare games before KOTOR), BioWare made this story driven genre evolve into something we know today as a ''BioWare game'', a game where you can make choices and alter the scenario. ''RED'' and The Witcher 2 made this genre evolve into something even greater and now it's time for BioWare to follow this lead and even retake it.

it's not about ''EVERYTHING IS BETTER'', it's just about a little feeling of discovery and new you have playing The Witcher 2 for a second or third time you don't have in Mass Effect...

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Shifty Assassin wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Not enough that witcher 2 threads flooded the da2 forums to the point where I can no longer tolerate them, now they had to seep in me3 forums. You like the game, we get it already.

^this. Its starting to get really annoying to have people compare Tw2 to bioware games but you guys just dont know when to stop.

It's not really a competition - they're both good RPG IPs, and it's a great idea to learn from what worked or didn't work in them.

[General Malor]

Interesting. Leave now, bye-bye then.

[Zcorck]

Not gonna get my hopes up but it'd sure be nice if Shepard isn't going to get spam-mailed and a junk mail section in the third game. 
Although with all these supposed choices in the ME series, the dev time seems a bit short if they're really going to go through with it and not just take the easy way out like they did with ME2.

[Gavinthelocust]

Haristo wrote...

Shifty Assassin wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Not enough that witcher 2 threads flooded the da2 forums to the point where I can no longer tolerate them, now they had to seep in me3 forums. You like the game, we get it already.

^this. Its starting to get really annoying to have people compare Tw2 to bioware games but you guys just dont know when to stop.

well this is the first time I ever says something about The Witcher in those forums... if New Vegas had this way to make a walkthrough unique while NOT ruining the story, my thread may be about New Vegas and how my Walkthrough number 2 was different to my Walkthrough number 2452345...  but New Vegas' Story is dull and a pretext for unlimited freedom so it doesn't count.

I think they must be compared, at least one, because this is the concept of evolution. With KOTOR and compagny (never played BioWare games before KOTOR), BioWare made this story driven genre evolve into something we know today as a ''BioWare game'', a game where you can make choices and alter the scenario. ''RED'' and The Witcher 2 made this genre evolve into something even greater and now it's time for BioWare to follow this lead and even retake it.

it's not about ''EVERYTHING IS BETTER'', it's just about a little feeling of discovery and new you have playing The Witcher 2 for a second or third time you don't have in Mass Effect...

While I definitely don't think Witcher 2 evolved gameplay wise I think that option wise it has more variety than ME2 or DA2. It isn't as much variety as I'd like but beggers can't be choosers, the point is Bioware should add more changes in story where you can choose what you do instead of Martin Sheen creepily staring at you until you agreee to fall into an obvious trap.
ME3 has a chance, it's the last game so it doesn't have to limit it's self like some of the other games mentioned. With the near whole year delay I hope that Bioware can make ME3 have more choices with real impact, ME2 just seemed like it was building up to it with choices that had no immediate impact. With luck I can see Bioware bringing back it's glory if only so I can go to the Witcher forums and say "Mass Effect is better na na na boo boo" until everyone leaves.

[snfonseka]

Consequences = Receiving emails (sometimes)

[Haristo]

snfonseka wrote...

Consequences = Receiving emails (sometimes)

this is for Optionnal missions... so technically BioWare made it better than RED because the Sidequests are totally irrelevant to the story in The Witcher 2, it's just some ''kill some monster... do a certain thing with bombs... PROFIT !''.

I'm talking about the main scenario and how your experience can be totally different. Big example is the Rachnis. it's an entire Frickin' specie ! I just hope by saving them I totally destroyed/modified for ever the Galaxy politic world and frontiers... I also hope it wil gives me more than a ****ing email, I want a whole part of the game totally modified to fit that choice. 

[Fishy]

I prefeered Dragon age Origins.Dragon age had many more choice.You can't really define your protagonist in the witcher but only Geralt path .Same with the way of fighting.Whatever you do .. you will use potion , 5 different type of spell and spam attack .. I like the liberty of creating something more out of my protagonist.Like a warrior specialized in defense and not dual wielding with maybe a bit of magic wearing crystal armor .

No romance either(some sex and flirting here and there but felt more like action flick putting a sex scene into it ) and the character and personnal interaction with your companions are so mininal.The companions in Origin were by themself a game inside a game.

There's is really 2 major choice in witcher 2 and most of the other are basicly non-factor .You also barely control Geralt. Let's me explain.

Sure you have some ' i hate or Like ' moment but most of the time Geralt start talking for hours without you even touching the dialogue option.I don't want this inside  any bioware game.

Plus i love creating my character appearance.

Bioware product need to remain bioware product .That why I`m still here and not on the witcher 2 forum talking about Geralt sex life.

Origin was superior by a margin to the witcher 2.That an opignosn and that why i`m here.

Modifié par Suprez30, 19 juin 2011 - 04:35 .

[Knightstar2001]

All I have really gotten from this thread is that Due to it's story taking place within one game,the Witcher 2 was able to show the results of choices quickly and in a more Dramatic fashion then what we have currently seen from Mass effect and Mass effect 2.
Again,this is from what I have read in this thread as I have not played the Witcher 2 and really don't care to.
I also don't understand the constant snide remarks mentioning FF13, They never have tried to offer mutliple choices or branching storylines in the FF series. So why are they getting brought up in this topic? I can understand if you were talking about lack of towns/hubs or even lack of an open world.