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[dantares83]

I don't know if this has been posted but here goes...

I just started playing ME2 and I realized that your personal assistant is available as a romance option to both genders. I am not going to start another debate of characters suddenly turning LGBT (aka Anders in DA) but I can't help but notice that there is subtle sterotyping there...

Not that I want my male Shepard to suddenly turn gay in ME3 but to only allow strong, powerful, (leadership quality) woman to be lesbian while the man (with the same qualities) is unlikely to be gay are sterotypes. 

there are powerful men who are gays while powerful women who still prefer a man as their partner. So I do not understand the inclusion of your personal assistant as a potential love interest.

It is ok with Asari as they practically mate with anything that moves and are known to be very seductive. But for a real human, I think is should not be included at all for both sexes. 

[Haristo]

BioWare has NO stereotypes agains't LGBTS in my opinion... they just allowed this option so you can have MORE possible gameplay choices. Of course I don't want to be harrassed like in Dragon Age II (Gay or Hetero, the characters felt like pityful dogs coming to be petted...). but some romance like the first Mass Effect is just perfect.

[zeoduos]

You can say the same for any and every game out there, but the times are changing and so are our videogames.

[Son of Illusive Man]

I don't see your point here. Two examples is not a rule, and even the examples you gave really have to be stretched to find anything close to discrimination.

I have never seen another game that even allows the characters to have same-sex relationships, and ME3 is going to have Male-Male relationship(s). They're probably the last people you should be accusing of stereotyping.

[ForumPortal]

this belongs in the character forum.

[Wintermist]

As I see it, if you are not gay, don't go for that date. The option could still be there for those who are.

[shepskisaac]

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

I don't see your point here. Two examples is not a rule, and even the examples you gave really have to be stretched to find anything close to discrimination.

I have never seen another game that even allows the characters to have same-sex relationships, and ME3 is going to have Male-Male relationship(s). They're probably the last people you should be accusing of stereotyping.

Bully, The Sims, Fable, Persona 4, BioWare games - Jade Empire, KOTOR, Dragon Age + gay references/characters/flirts in Fallout franchise, Troika games etc.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 19 juin 2011 - 02:57 .

[AllenShepard]

Does+Has= lol forever.

[AtreiyaN7]

That just doesn't even make sense, unless you can successfully elaborate on what this supposedly subtle stereotyping is. Kelly is a random fling, and it is not much of a relationship. The only things I were interested in with her were to have her feed my fish and to shut up about how people on the crew were feeling.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I read somewhere that Kenneth Donnelly was supposed to be the male counterpart to Kelly. They cut it for some reason or other, a fact that makes me very sad since one of my non-canon FemSheps would have been so into him.

FemShep can be strong, powerful and interested in a man too. That's just who Shepard is, regardless of gender. And neither of the female S/S options are particularly 'butch', so I don't understand your statement that they're stereotyping. Not having M/M options isn't really 'stereotyping' either, it's just being non-inclusive, which they're supposedly changing in ME3 anyway.

I know it's not much, but you could interpret one of the LotSB video feeds as Gavorn having an encounter with a human male. Gavorn is a bit character, but from what we've seen he's not overly camp or anything, so I wouldn't consider him a stereotype at all.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 19 juin 2011 - 03:13 .

[Son of Illusive Man]

IsaacShep wrote...

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

I don't see your point here. Two examples is not a rule, and even the examples you gave really have to be stretched to find anything close to discrimination.

I have never seen another game that even allows the characters to have same-sex relationships, and ME3 is going to have Male-Male relationship(s). They're probably the last people you should be accusing of stereotyping.

Bully, The Sims, Fable, Persona 4, BioWare games - Jade Empire, KOTOR, Dragon Age + gay references/characters/flirts in Fallout franchise, Troika games etc.

None of which I have played, aside from the SIMS, which is another EA property, if I am correct.

[shepskisaac]

Son of Illusive Man wrote...
None of which I have played, aside from the SIMS, which is another EA property, if I am correct.

Correct

[Guns]

Who in Kotor could you have a same sex relationship with?

[ForumPortal]

Guns wrote...

Who in Kotor could you have a same sex relationship with?

The cat looking jedi that starts with a J 

[ThatDancingTurian]

Guns wrote...

Who in Kotor could you have a same sex relationship with?

Juhani.

[Guns]

Oh yeaaaah. I always killed her so that's why I forgot.

[Gavinthelocust]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Guns wrote...

Who in Kotor could you have a same sex relationship with?

Juhani.

Although her romance was mostly cut because Lucas decided to be classic Lucas and ruined things.

Modifié par Gavinthelocust, 19 juin 2011 - 03:23 .

[Dhiro]

IsaacShep wrote...

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

I don't see your point here. Two examples is not a rule, and even the examples you gave really have to be stretched to find anything close to discrimination.

I have never seen another game that even allows the characters to have same-sex relationships, and ME3 is going to have Male-Male relationship(s). They're probably the last people you should be accusing of stereotyping.

Bully, The Sims, Fable, Persona 4, BioWare games - Jade Empire, KOTOR, Dragon Age + gay references/characters/flirts in Fallout franchise, Troika games etc.

...What?

[Wolfborn Son]

IsaacShep wrote...

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

I don't see your point here. Two examples is not a rule, and even the examples you gave really have to be stretched to find anything close to discrimination.

I have never seen another game that even allows the characters to have same-sex relationships, and ME3 is going to have Male-Male relationship(s). They're probably the last people you should be accusing of stereotyping.

Bully, The Sims, Fable, Persona 4, BioWare games - Jade Empire, KOTOR, Dragon Age + gay references/characters/flirts in Fallout franchise, Troika games etc.

Who was the same-sex relationship in Persona 4? I don't recall it.

[Agamo45]

Oh get over it. You got your gay romances for ME3.

[bmwcrazy]

Prejudice? Hell no.

[Nerdage]

So is the point of the OP that the female homosexual romance in ME2 is basically your PA and not somebody with more authority? I'm confused...

Or is the issue that Kelly is powerful and that there's no comparable m/m romance? A hard point to make since there aren't any m/m romances at all, you'd really need to have at least one m/m romance in-game that falls into whatever the stereotype is before you could say they're stereotyping homosexual characters.

And yeah this belongs in the Characters and Romances forum.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I thought I read that Garrus could be romanced by a male Shepard, or was that cut from the final game (or modded in?)

[Dangerfoot]

ME has an entire race of hot, blue, eternally youthful lesbians with super powers. And that is totally mature and not fan-service AT ALL.

But having a free spirited counselor on board that believes that love is bigger than race, species and gender. Well that's just pandering!!!

Modifié par Dangerfoot, 19 juin 2011 - 08:14 .