VS Is now a Spectre?
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#27
Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:33
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Where do I start...I don't buy a single one of your reasons. Ashley may have had a chip on her shoulder related to her family history, but she doesn't let that get in the way of her job. And can I point out that even Pressly started out as a xenophobe? Allow me to point you at his journal entries on Acheria, which indicate that he learned to accept aliens as part of the crew.
Do you seriously think it's impossible for Ash to have changed? I don't. Furthermore, things like complaining that the VS couldn't do jack on Horizon? LOL! For obvious plot reasons, if the VS stole Shepard's thunder, umm, there wouldn't be much point in you showing up, would there? The VS successfully (more or less) gets the colony to co-operate by allowing the installation of the colony defense(s). Not everything a Spectre does involves pew-pewing or beating off an assault by a gigantic fraking ship on their own.
As for Shepard, he/she is the superhuman protagonist. No NPC is likely to outshine Shepard, but it doesn't mean that they're incompetent and not worthy of being Spectres.
Do you seriously think it's impossible for Ash to have changed? I don't. Furthermore, things like complaining that the VS couldn't do jack on Horizon? LOL! For obvious plot reasons, if the VS stole Shepard's thunder, umm, there wouldn't be much point in you showing up, would there? The VS successfully (more or less) gets the colony to co-operate by allowing the installation of the colony defense(s). Not everything a Spectre does involves pew-pewing or beating off an assault by a gigantic fraking ship on their own.
As for Shepard, he/she is the superhuman protagonist. No NPC is likely to outshine Shepard, but it doesn't mean that they're incompetent and not worthy of being Spectres.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:33
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Dr. rotinaj wrote...
Have you seen the Kaidan/Ash conversation on Horizon? I understand why you think LeVaughn's comment was silly, but it's not that far from the truth.
Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't thrilled when Ash acted the way she did. But I also had to look at it from her perspective. She and Shepard (in my playthough) were in love and he dies. But then after two years he is back and he doesn't contact her and the first thing he says (paragon choice) is "How have ya been Ash?" Not exactly the best choice of words for someone you love and who hasn't seen you in two years. Not to mention after all the horrific experiments and projects Shepard uncovered Cerberus doing during ME1. So I can understand her reaction, but even if she wasn't justified LeVaughn's comments were...well they were juvenile. I'm not trying to harp on him, judging by his OP, it's clear he's very passionate about this topic it's just that if you want to garner support for something, you need to be a bit more eloquent with your wording than "asswipe" or you just come off as a teen shooting his mouth off.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:34
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l DryIce l wrote...
It amazes me that people are still able to label Ashley a racist/xenephobe when she specifically says that she does NOT hate aliens. She does not trust that aliens will be by humanity's side when their back's are against the wall. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. Although it's a fairly cynical view, I see it as a rational one.
And how did the TC get from - Ashley/Kaiden was very emotional/irrational on Horizon - to - Ashley/Kaiden is now incapable of rational thought?
You took my logic, and I want it back.
What you mean you aren't emotional when someone you thought was dead for 2 years comes back to life;)
I don't fine the Horizon bit annoying from Ash/Kaidans responses I find it annoying how the "Choices" I have to say what I'm doing is "HUR DUR CERBERUS IS GOOD, I MEAN I'M WORKING FOR THE HUMANS, ER YOUR EMOTIONS ARE BLINDING YOU TO THE TRUTH!!!
It just felt rushed and not what a real Reunion would be like.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:39
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Bachi1230 wrote...
What you mean you aren't emotional when someone you thought was dead for 2 years comes back to life;)
I don't fine the Horizon bit annoying from Ash/Kaidans responses I find it annoying how the "Choices" I have to say what I'm doing is "HUR DUR CERBERUS IS GOOD, I MEAN I'M WORKING FOR THE HUMANS, ER YOUR EMOTIONS ARE BLINDING YOU TO THE TRUTH!!!
It just felt rushed and not what a real Reunion would be like.
You and me both Bachi, I didn't understand why they had the choices they did. The paragon choice was this casual "How ya been?" even though she was my Shep's LI. If I had died, and my love interest hadn't seen me in two years I would embrace her and lay a kiss on her that would make Paris Hilton blush. And then I would say something along the lines of "I'm glad to see you and I'm so glad your ok (considering she was almost taken by the Collectors) they really goofed up with the response choices.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:41
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Bachi1230 wrote...
l DryIce l wrote...
It amazes me that people are still able to label Ashley a racist/xenephobe when she specifically says that she does NOT hate aliens. She does not trust that aliens will be by humanity's side when their back's are against the wall. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. Although it's a fairly cynical view, I see it as a rational one.
And how did the TC get from - Ashley/Kaiden was very emotional/irrational on Horizon - to - Ashley/Kaiden is now incapable of rational thought?
You took my logic, and I want it back.
What you mean you aren't emotional when someone you thought was dead for 2 years comes back to life;)
I don't fine the Horizon bit annoying from Ash/Kaidans responses I find it annoying how the "Choices" I have to say what I'm doing is "HUR DUR CERBERUS IS GOOD, I MEAN I'M WORKING FOR THE HUMANS, ER YOUR EMOTIONS ARE BLINDING YOU TO THE TRUTH!!!
It just felt rushed and not what a real Reunion would be like.
Um...? What?
I didn't say their response wasn't understandable. It was, but it certainly wasn't rational. Not being able to see past Cerberus' past to understand that they are the only ones trying to solve the problem is irrational. I found that to be unfair, especially after all they've been through with Shepard...I'd expect some faith.
Both sides acted poorly.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:43
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l DryIce l wrote...
Bachi1230 wrote...
l DryIce l wrote...
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Um...? What?
I didn't say their response wasn't understandable. It was, but it certainly wasn't rational. Not being able to see past Cerberus' past to understand that they are the only ones trying to solve the problem is irrational. I found that to be unfair, especially after all they've been through with Shepard...I'd expect some faith.
Both sides acted poorly.
The wink was sarcasm I was saying you're right=]
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:44
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l DryIce l wrote...
Both sides acted poorly.
They need couples counseling. Ooh, Kelly could do it...unless she was your personal stripper, then it might be kinda awkward.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:45
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I agree with the OP actually.
I could maybe see Kaiden as a Spectre; but Ash is just ridiculous.
As I've said before the gross incompetence of the VS on Horizon got half a colony abducted simply because they couldn't get the damned guns working to the extent that they could hit a target that was thousands of feet long. Furthermore if Shepard hadn't come along they would have gotten themselves and the rest of the colony killed as well.
Aside from that neither of them had a particularly spectacular career aside from riding Shepard's coat tails.
Kaiden at least is kind of unique in that he has biotics and tech skills as well as officer training; but Ash is just a grunt and a grunt who has openly expressed her dislike of the council and her distrust of other species, there's no chance in hell she'd make SPECTRE.
I could maybe see Kaiden as a Spectre; but Ash is just ridiculous.
As I've said before the gross incompetence of the VS on Horizon got half a colony abducted simply because they couldn't get the damned guns working to the extent that they could hit a target that was thousands of feet long. Furthermore if Shepard hadn't come along they would have gotten themselves and the rest of the colony killed as well.
Aside from that neither of them had a particularly spectacular career aside from riding Shepard's coat tails.
Kaiden at least is kind of unique in that he has biotics and tech skills as well as officer training; but Ash is just a grunt and a grunt who has openly expressed her dislike of the council and her distrust of other species, there's no chance in hell she'd make SPECTRE.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:46
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This thread again?
To start off with, on Eden Prime, she managed to stay alive and evade a huge geth army, (Blasting two combat drones out of the air with a pistol may not seem like much, but shooting a pistol accurately is actually pretty damn hard in RL)
She's a highly trained marine, with top scores in all theoretical tests and practical training exercises. She's noted for a brusque, effective leadership style by her commanding officers.
On Virmire, if Shepard fails to convince Wrex, and is about to get his head shot off by an angry Krogan, Ashley takes the initiative and saves her commanding officer. If you send her with the Salarians, she works with them effectively, and even leads them through the assault if Kirrahe gets killed.
These are just the basic reasons why she would be considered above the rank and file.
To start off with, on Eden Prime, she managed to stay alive and evade a huge geth army, (Blasting two combat drones out of the air with a pistol may not seem like much, but shooting a pistol accurately is actually pretty damn hard in RL)
She's a highly trained marine, with top scores in all theoretical tests and practical training exercises. She's noted for a brusque, effective leadership style by her commanding officers.
On Virmire, if Shepard fails to convince Wrex, and is about to get his head shot off by an angry Krogan, Ashley takes the initiative and saves her commanding officer. If you send her with the Salarians, she works with them effectively, and even leads them through the assault if Kirrahe gets killed.
These are just the basic reasons why she would be considered above the rank and file.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:47
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LOL @ OP
They are Spectres as shown in demo's and screenshots
They are Spectres as shown in demo's and screenshots
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#38
Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:52
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Bachi1230 wrote...
What you mean you aren't emotional when someone you thought was dead for 2 years comes back to life;)
I don't fine the Horizon bit annoying from Ash/Kaidans responses I find it annoying how the "Choices" I have to say what I'm doing is "HUR DUR CERBERUS IS GOOD, I MEAN I'M WORKING FOR THE HUMANS, ER YOUR EMOTIONS ARE BLINDING YOU TO THE TRUTH!!!
It just felt rushed and not what a real Reunion would be like.
I was looking for the "Who the hell do you think you are to call me a traitor after I just did your damned job for you, and I might add saved your life for the second time?" option; but it never came.
I can get them being shocked; but having them sit there and judge you after you just saved their life was garbage, especially since you couldn't say anything to defend yourself unless you wanted to spout some BS about how great Cerberus is.
I found the confrontation on Horizon to be dramatic at least which is a hell of a lot better than the bizzare and out of character motivations Liara sported in ME2.
Honestly though Shepard acts like a pushover through a lot of ME2. In ME1 I was an antiauthoritarian badass and then in ME2 I spent the whole game playing errand boy for a terrorist ****.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 05:56
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Bachi1230 wrote...
l DryIce l wrote...
Bachi1230 wrote...
l DryIce l wrote...
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Um...? What?
I didn't say their response wasn't understandable. It was, but it certainly wasn't rational. Not being able to see past Cerberus' past to understand that they are the only ones trying to solve the problem is irrational. I found that to be unfair, especially after all they've been through with Shepard...I'd expect some faith.
Both sides acted poorly.
The wink was sarcasm I was saying you're right=]
Oh...derp. You must think I'm a complete and utter fool.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 06:06
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nah, dryice I know it's hard to communicate sarcasm over the internet ![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 06:19
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Maybe they should let Garrus be a SPECTRE, oh wait isn't it the same guy who got his whole crew killed in Omega?
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 06:45
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dshoub wrote...
Dr. rotinaj wrote...
Have you seen the Kaidan/Ash conversation on Horizon? I understand why you think LeVaughn's comment was silly, but it's not that far from the truth.
Oh don't get me wrong, I wasn't thrilled when Ash acted the way she did. But I also had to look at it from her perspective. She and Shepard (in my playthough) were in love and he dies. But then after two years he is back and he doesn't contact her and the first thing he says (paragon choice) is "How have ya been Ash?" Not exactly the best choice of words for someone you love and who hasn't seen you in two years. Not to mention after all the horrific experiments and projects Shepard uncovered Cerberus doing during ME1. So I can understand her reaction, but even if she wasn't justified LeVaughn's comments were...well they were juvenile. I'm not trying to harp on him, judging by his OP, it's clear he's very passionate about this topic it's just that if you want to garner support for something, you need to be a bit more eloquent with your wording than "asswipe" or you just come off as a teen shooting his mouth off.
Look at it from a realistic perspective...
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Girl loves boy - boy dies - girl gets sad.
Boy stays dead 2 years; girl moves on and find another love interest in a small form.
Boy comes back after being basically kept secret and has no idea what the flark is going on; tried to do his best to figure everything out; and randomly ran into girl.
Boy was very happy to see girl - this was a perfect chance for them to keep going.
Girl gets ****y; blames the boy for every problem, calls him crazy, calls his a betrayer / disloyal, acts like she is suddenly better than him, then says she nearly killed herself over him.
Boy tries to convince girl its all okay and that he couldn't talk to the girl / things got in his way that he couldn't in any way shape or form prevent; girl rejects and continues to pms.
Girl walks away; after claiming to be "oh so inlove" where as if you really gave that much about another human being you wouldn't be so shallow - you'd hug them, hold them, tell them you love them, then never let them go again as you'd want to be there to prevent them from dieing a second time...
She doesn't truely love Shepard; she changed for the worse, and acted like she / the alliance were 100% awesome......It felt like middle school all over again...water water everywhere and not a damned drop to drink....
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On a side note; you can read more about her inter-military loving with another person, meaning she did cheat.
And on a second side note; I blame the creators mainly because I figured majority of the ME1 squaddies would change for the better (like Wrex / Garrus / Tali did). Liara's situation was understandable, but the VS's attitude was completely ****ed; they got worse instead of better for some reason..maybe it'll be explained in the 3rd game...
[[Edit]] = I only curse and act like a "dick" or "immature" because I feel that I shouldn't have to down-play my tone, emotions, or thoughts for anyone. I understand the concept of being "Openly Honest" is normally considered immature; but I view it as equality in action. I view all of humanity as an equal - no one better than anyone else - so I tend to speak my mind in the way that is easily understood by everyone regardless of their educational standing. If you don't believe me and you wish to view it as "immature bashing of a fictional character" then I can't stop you.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 06:47
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Your post is motivated mostly by feelings, not by any actual evidence. Some parts of your argument I agree with: Neither Ashley or Kaidan have been tasked with a remarkably difficult mission and successfully completed it. I don't count Horizon as a mission success for them per se, because Shepard was the one leading the mission and ultimately doing all the work. I would only count missions they have led as something to put forth when being evaluated for spectre candidacy. Overall, I don't count them as Spectre material. Not unless they've achieved a lot during the 2 years Shepard was dead.
As for the "Ashley-is-a-racist" deal... I'll have to disagree. She wasn't trusting of them, not racist.
As for the "Ashley-is-a-racist" deal... I'll have to disagree. She wasn't trusting of them, not racist.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 06:51
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Tachai03 wrote...
Your post is motivated mostly by feelings, not by any actual evidence. Some parts of your argument I agree with: Neither Ashley or Kaidan have been tasked with a remarkably difficult mission and successfully completed it. I don't count Horizon as a mission success for them per se, because Shepard was the one leading the mission and ultimately doing all the work. I would only count missions they have led as something to put forth when being evaluated for spectre candidacy. Overall, I don't count them as Spectre material. Not unless they've achieved a lot during the 2 years Shepard was dead.
As for the "Ashley-is-a-racist" deal... I'll have to disagree. She wasn't trusting of aliens, not racist.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 06:58
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LeVaughnX wrote...
LPPrince wrote...
First off, the Spectre thing hasn't been confirmed. Its still just a rumor, albeit a rumor based on what we know thus far.
And I didn't get too far into your post and I apologize for that, but the moment I saw "racist" and "xenophobe" as factual remarks for Ash, I knew that it was best if I didn't continue reading.
Sorry about that.
It's a game and fictional thing; I can't see why you fanboys get so pissed about these things. In anycase she may not be a "super" racist/xenophobe but she is a low tier one. It's kind of the difference between a racist supporter group (Cerberus) vs a person who just dislikes aliens due to their up-bringing. Either way it still makes them sound like an ass when they say anything.
Either way - this thread/topic isn't about "who said what" or "who did what" - this is a "Why is the VS a Spectre" thread/topic. So don't get your panties in a bunch.
Fanboys? You are the ass who started a topic clearly based on hate, and you cant provide no evidence to support your claims..;. Funny that, the same as all trolls.The one who's taking it to heart clearly you.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 07:02
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I don't hate anyone; and if I took anything to heart it wouldn't be something on a website.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 07:03
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I'm not gonna border to argue how wrong is OP with Ashley and Kaidan.
I got sick of repeating myself.
I got sick of repeating myself.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 07:05
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Listen can the people who aren't total devout fans of Ash and Kaiden please speak about this in a civil manner? Honestly I'm a major fan of Tali and Zaeed but I'm not going to jump down someones throat about their opinions on them.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 07:34
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Ok, I don't see myself as a big Kaidan/Ashley fan, and while as they were in ME1 I wouldn't make them a Spectre, I could see some changes in that with ME3. After all, they were there fighting all those geth alongside Shepard (which squadmates you take with you in a 3 person squad based game nonwithstanding). They proved themselves to be badass, if not as badass as Shepard. Are they going to be a uber legendary Spectre? Probably not, or at least I don't think they should. But, one of the many upcoming human Spectres? Sure.
As for Ashley being racist, I don't see her as racist per se. It's just that her family fought in a war with the aliens that happened only 30 years ago. You think [insert persecuted human ethnicity here] was all "Let's be friends!" after only 30 years of persecution? It's human nature somewhat to have some thoughts negative about those of other races... Turians? Asari? They aren't even human, it's going to be much worse. Plus, all she really says is that the aliens won't help if things get really bad, and look she was right, even worse than she foresaw though, the humans aren't even helping their fellow humans when the colonies are being raided.
Now, I'd love to see Tali get Spectre. Wonder if there are any Quarian Spectres?
As for Ashley being racist, I don't see her as racist per se. It's just that her family fought in a war with the aliens that happened only 30 years ago. You think [insert persecuted human ethnicity here] was all "Let's be friends!" after only 30 years of persecution? It's human nature somewhat to have some thoughts negative about those of other races... Turians? Asari? They aren't even human, it's going to be much worse. Plus, all she really says is that the aliens won't help if things get really bad, and look she was right, even worse than she foresaw though, the humans aren't even helping their fellow humans when the colonies are being raided.
Now, I'd love to see Tali get Spectre. Wonder if there are any Quarian Spectres?
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 07:40
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I hate needing to write this crap over and over again.
I find it funny that people label Ash as a racist/xenophobe when her writer even said ''SHE IS NOT A XENOPHOBE'' She hates Cerberus because they are xenophobic! She hates Terra firm for the same reason ''Too bad so many of your members are just racists'' -Ash.
The only aliens Ash doesn't trust is Garrus and Wrex, and that's just at the start of the game, why? Wrex is a Krogan battlemaster, and Garrus is a Turian (tensions are still high) on the most sophisticated human war ship in the galaxy. Later in the game she isn't bothered about them, becuase she get's to know them. And she only kills Wrex (if you dont charm Wrex) becuase Shepard said ''be ready'' meaning ''get ready to kill him'' She was only protecting her commanding officer, someone had too.
She doesn't hate Liara (the tension between them was just for Shepards affection, it's Kaidan if you play femShep) Ash is the one who tells Shepard to check on her, that she must be hurting after losing her mum (why would a Xenophobe care about a aliens feelings?) And she doesn't ever say a bad thing about Tali, in a elevator she tells Tali that ''Hopefully having you help stop Saren will stop humans for blaiming the Quarians for the Geth''
The dog and the bear analogy, most people get it wrong, but humanity was the dog, the council were sicking humanity on the bear (the Reapers)
'I cant tell the aliens from the animals'' Do you disagree that hanar look like Jellyfish? That the keepers ook like some sort of insects? Some people even think Grunt looks like a duck! How was that xenophobic.
She wants to live on the wards, why on Earth would a xenophobic love and want to live in such a multi-cultural place?
She is intelligent, she always marks out good tactical positions ''I bet them stair cases aren't just for show, they make for good tactical positions if this place is ever attacked''
Her opinion on things is usually right. The council ARE sicking humanity on the bear, Cerberus ARE working with the Reapers. Her view on the galaxy while cynical yes, seems to be the correct view.
She can lead, or did you not read her profile? From the ME1 website:
''Chief Williams' platoon has logged unanimous positive feedback on her leadership in the recent fitness review cycle. Private Nirali Bahtia praised her focus on team-building exercises and "tough but fair" discipline''
She handles the Geth really well in ME1, her team was ambushed, and she survives (who knows how long she was out there fighting them alone) what was she supposed to do? Garrus's team had the same fate in ME2, and so did both of the teams Tali lead.
Yeah she is emotional, but she doesn't let it get in the way of her duty, when Shepard says ''No williams'' she listens. And Horizon was just a sloppy written scene, Shepards lame excuses were'nt helping.
How is she a Ripley wannabe? Becuase she's a women who can kick a guys ass? Are you sexist by any chance?
And Kaidan is the most level headed character I have seen in ME.
Couldn'y handle there jobs? What? They are both willing to die to stop Saren! I didn't see anyone else step up, willing to give there life for the mission, just Ashley and Kaidan. And the omb was armed and went off, and the other took down as many Geth as they could, keeping them back. They both did there jobs, and one of them dies a hero.
I find it funny that people label Ash as a racist/xenophobe when her writer even said ''SHE IS NOT A XENOPHOBE'' She hates Cerberus because they are xenophobic! She hates Terra firm for the same reason ''Too bad so many of your members are just racists'' -Ash.
The only aliens Ash doesn't trust is Garrus and Wrex, and that's just at the start of the game, why? Wrex is a Krogan battlemaster, and Garrus is a Turian (tensions are still high) on the most sophisticated human war ship in the galaxy. Later in the game she isn't bothered about them, becuase she get's to know them. And she only kills Wrex (if you dont charm Wrex) becuase Shepard said ''be ready'' meaning ''get ready to kill him'' She was only protecting her commanding officer, someone had too.
She doesn't hate Liara (the tension between them was just for Shepards affection, it's Kaidan if you play femShep) Ash is the one who tells Shepard to check on her, that she must be hurting after losing her mum (why would a Xenophobe care about a aliens feelings?) And she doesn't ever say a bad thing about Tali, in a elevator she tells Tali that ''Hopefully having you help stop Saren will stop humans for blaiming the Quarians for the Geth''
The dog and the bear analogy, most people get it wrong, but humanity was the dog, the council were sicking humanity on the bear (the Reapers)
'I cant tell the aliens from the animals'' Do you disagree that hanar look like Jellyfish? That the keepers ook like some sort of insects? Some people even think Grunt looks like a duck! How was that xenophobic.
She wants to live on the wards, why on Earth would a xenophobic love and want to live in such a multi-cultural place?
She is intelligent, she always marks out good tactical positions ''I bet them stair cases aren't just for show, they make for good tactical positions if this place is ever attacked''
Her opinion on things is usually right. The council ARE sicking humanity on the bear, Cerberus ARE working with the Reapers. Her view on the galaxy while cynical yes, seems to be the correct view.
She can lead, or did you not read her profile? From the ME1 website:
''Chief Williams' platoon has logged unanimous positive feedback on her leadership in the recent fitness review cycle. Private Nirali Bahtia praised her focus on team-building exercises and "tough but fair" discipline''
She handles the Geth really well in ME1, her team was ambushed, and she survives (who knows how long she was out there fighting them alone) what was she supposed to do? Garrus's team had the same fate in ME2, and so did both of the teams Tali lead.
Yeah she is emotional, but she doesn't let it get in the way of her duty, when Shepard says ''No williams'' she listens. And Horizon was just a sloppy written scene, Shepards lame excuses were'nt helping.
How is she a Ripley wannabe? Becuase she's a women who can kick a guys ass? Are you sexist by any chance?
And Kaidan is the most level headed character I have seen in ME.
Couldn'y handle there jobs? What? They are both willing to die to stop Saren! I didn't see anyone else step up, willing to give there life for the mission, just Ashley and Kaidan. And the omb was armed and went off, and the other took down as many Geth as they could, keeping them back. They both did there jobs, and one of them dies a hero.
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