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[ashlover mark 2]

ZLurps wrote...

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

WidowMaker9394 wrote...

Why's everyone calling Ash a racist and a xenophobe?

She's a realist and she is bitter due to the dirt on her family's name.

Of course your right.

People these days have absolutely no idea what "racist" even means.

One aspect of good Sci-fi is that it makes people wonder things in real life we normally wouldn't think or notice things that we normally wouldn't notice.

From: thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2011/01/06/the-definitive-mass-effect-cast-interview-part-four/

Kimberly Brooks (Ashley)- Quite a bit, actually. Fans
seem to either love Ashley or hate her. . . there seem to be more of the
latter. This is why it especially fortunate for me that I am merely the
ACTOR that voices Ashley and I don’t take it personally when die hard
fans are passionate in expressing their feelings about Ashley and the
choices she makes.

Emphasis on that ACTOR and what she says about passionate made me wonder what kind of feedback she has received personally.
Play a racist card and hate the character but why stop there when in all righteousness you can hate her voice actress too.

We may not like it, but I think this tells something about the world at these days.

*GASP* ..........Kim B thinks more ppl  hate ash then love her this isnt true .....bioware just needs to point her in the diretion of our three support threads and multiple groups.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

Alright slow down a second; I know I might be getting ahead of myself but I read (in Phaedon's Blog) that it's been confermed that the VS is a Spectre....I don't really see this as true for multiple reasons... I'll get them out of the way...

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Ashley

1.) Is a racist.

2.) Is a xenophobe.

3.) Was completely incapable of handling two Geth in Mass Effect 1.

4.) Showed no ability to lead or command respect other than being a wannabe "Ripley".

5.) Is overly Emotional.
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Kaiden

1.) Is easily bothered.

2.) Is overly Emotional but to a lesser degree as Ashley.

3.) Didn't really care for the council but he wasn't a racist.

4.) Argued a little with authority?
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Both

1.) Couldn't handle their jobs alone in Mass Effect 1 causing the other to die; where as Shepard basically is a one man army.

2.) Neither over-came over-whelming odds.

3.) Both screwed up on Horizon (sp?).

4.) Neither seemingly collected any rational data on Horizon.

5.) Neither are capable of rational thought or logic.
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Now there is also one major thing that bothered me about this... They've said already that a "Luke I am your Father" type twist is going to be in the game...Well my guess is that the VS (considering the Collectors/Reapers basically left them on Horizon but took nearly everyone else) has been secretly implanted with some form of control device or implanted with some cyborgnetics in general by the Collectors and or Reapers during their time in Stasis on Horizon. So if its true that they are a Spectre (but neither really deserves it above anyone else...Zaeed should be the second Human Spectre if anything hah) then this could be the big twist.

In any-case; what do you guys think about this information? What are your opinions? I'm not looking for a rage-war or a flame-war; though the fanboys will start something I'm sure.

So mature comments only please

WOW......this is just....wow. *sigh* ok,here we go.

1. ash is not a rascist.never once in the entire game dose ash say she dose not like aliens beacuse they are aliens.she may find them weird looking and odd but thats beacuse before eden prime and meeting shepard she had never seen or meet any.

on virmire ash dose not kill wrex beacuse he is a krogan and she dosnt like him,ash kills wrex beacuse he is a tank with a shotgun pointed at her commander (and possible boy friend) not to mention shepard tells ash "be ready" which pretty much says to me "hey watch my back if i get into trouble with this guy help me out".
id say a pissed off krogan battlemaster fireing shotgun blasts into the water,is pretty damn dangerous.
not to mention during that same mission if you send williams with the salarian STG team ash clearly says that she is uncomfortable working under someone elses command and that she has gotten used to working with shepard and his team including the aliens.

onboard the normandy when ash tells shepard that she dosnt think that garrus and wrex should be allowed into vital and restricted systems,isnt out of racism its because she dosnt KNOW these ppl.shepard lets random ppl who he litarly picked up off the street onto the most advanced warship in the galaxy and lets them poke around where ever they like.she dosnt know if she can trust these ppl not to run off and betray their trust in any number of ways,shes only known them for like 3 days maybe more.in the end all she did was voice a concern about a possible security risk and BLATANT security breach.

2. now onto xenophobia,ash dose NOT HAVE A IRRATIONAL FEAR OF ALIENS! she is not affraid that humanity will lose itself by intergrating into the council nor dose she say that humanity should go it alone and screw the rest of the alien races,nor dose she belive that humans are surperior.

ash has a cynical view that alot ppl tend to have even in todays society.she belives that the council will always do whats best for itself and if the alliance ever needs there help in a dire situation the council will not come to the rescue.thats not a racist view or a xenophobic view its the view of a patriotic soldier who wants whats best for her ppl.its not as if the the council and the alliance were buddy buddy anyway they had numerous issues with one another at any moment a war could have broken out over any number of things.

her dog and the bear analogy simply says that if the council is the owner humanity is the dog and a great threat against the galaxy is the Bear.the owner in a bid to survive will let the dog loose to fight the bear while they run away from danger.not beacuse of racesim but beacuse humanity is not their own.it is not racism to care about your own ppl over others.its not as if the council dosent have a history of doing this in the first place they used the krogan to wipe out the rachni they used the turians to decimate the krogan and when the geth invaded the attican traverse they used the alliance to shield them from the geth.

in short you want a true and clear view at racsim and xenophobia i suggest you read Mass effect retribution and pay attention to TIM and Kai leng they are obviously affraid of alien cultrue and influences and share a great distaste for aliens.ash shares nothing in common with these two.

3. ashley not being capable of handiling those two geth in that one 20 second cutscene on eden prime....are you serious......this example is the sillest thing i ever heard.what exactly in those 20 seconds gave you the impression that ash couldnt kill those geth?ashley had been fighting on Eden prime for hours before sehp and the normandy showed up she may have killed dozens of geth before this scene you dont know.the thing that makes this so silly is that it was a 20 second or more scene that just showed ash behind cover getting ready to attack.the fact that you would even use this as a reason to say she cant handle herself enough to be a spectre beacuse of that scene makes me take your post even  less seriously than i had before.

4. uggghhh,are you serious.you really know nothing about this charecter at all.sooo the FACT that ash can lead a highly elite salarian STG  team in a sucidal frontal charge on sarens base full of geth and krogan isnt a good enough example of how effective she can lead troops into battle.how about the fact that shepard and anderson comment on how awsome a soldier ash is so awsome thats the reason why she was reasigned to the normandy in the first place.or the fact that in traing runs ash was hailed as a good leader by her squad.

5.ummm ok shes human,theirs no rule book stateing that all spectres have to be calm and collected.we havent even properly met any other spectres.we knew nihuls for like 10 minutes and only had one conversation with him and we had to kill vasir and saren so they dont really count.plus saren wasnt all that level headed if you even mentioned humanity or the alliance he would lose his mind.

 I love you man!!! XD

You are absolutely right... on all points. Ashley in ME1 is just a green soldier that hasn't really seen all that much of the galaxy and is new to the whole "working with aliens" thing. She doesn't trust letting them on the ship as it's the "most advanced warship" in the Alliance and she doesn't like the idea that the tech could be compromised to other militaries. She's just a patriot trying to look out for her own.


If this guy would have actually paid attention to her during the games... she speaks out against the terra firma party, who are considered to be xenophobic. She is disgusted by the things we saw that Cereberus did in ME1 and if you take her on the final mission in ME1... depending on who else you take, she will even say that you should save the council (who is nothing but aliens). In ME2, she comments on how she can't believe that Shepard is working with a group like Cereberus. 

People just take one thing a character says and make it out to be something it's not. *shakes head* 

[mopotter]

Funkcase wrote...

The dog and the bear analogy, most people get it wrong, but humanity was the dog, the council were sicking humanity on the bear (the Reapers)

'I cant tell the aliens from the animals'' Do you disagree that hanar look like Jellyfish? That the keepers ook like some sort of insects? Some people even think Grunt looks like a duck! How was that xenophobic.  

I do wish they hadn't done the dog and bear analogy.  I admit I'm not good at analogy's.  Your explaination is the first time it actually made sense to me.

Rooster.  First time I saw Wrex, I thought Rooster.   The head piece comb thing.  

Nice post Funkcase.  

[SeaSquared]

Well as for Ash you can convince her differently about Aliens and Shepard can be a xenophobe too if you want xd

Kaiden is very level headed and by far THE character in ME1 I would call my shep's best friend (but everyone in ME1 squad was cool, unlike half the trash in ME2)

both Virmire and and Horizon were out of their control and not their fault for different reasons.

If the VS is your Romance option they later decide they were to harsh on Horizon.

Both show that they are skilled combatants and on Eden prime Ash was essentially level 1 xD people get better.

Comparision to Shepard is irrelevent as Shepard himself is powerful for a spectre, he has killed two of them already. (Saren and Tela Vasir) He very well maybe the greatest warroir in existense.

[mopotter]

LuPoM wrote...

One thing I'm trying to unbderstand from this topic: the meaning of VS, and as far as I've got it's concerned to Ashley and Kaidan.. couldn't you atleast write it once in full in the main topic for the "non updated with the acronyms" like me?

But you got it.  I have that problem once in a while.  Sometimes I just google and other times I read, like you did, to figure it out.   VS is a little harder since it always comes up with things like MassEffect vs Fall Out. 

[mopotter]

Funkcase wrote...

sevach wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

Ash was not a racist, I do agree that at first she was xenophobic, but later in the game she really opened up. Also Pressley was xenophobic at first, but in the normandy crash site he made me cryu

Very late in the game she was saying and i quote.

"You can't risk human lives trying to save the council, what have they ever done for us???"


So yeah kind of a racist.
Not that this would get in the way of her making spectre... did you hear about Saren? He was a big time racist jerk.

And makes sense that after making the council, humanity would try to make as many humans as possible into spectres and with Shepard "dead" the VS is an obvous candidate.

And late on my save game she said ''this is bigger than humanity Sovereign is a threat to every species in the galaxy''

Exactly.  I've had Tali, Garrus, Wrex all say Shepard should wait and let the council die while Ash and Kaiden have said the council needs to be saved.  

[ashlover mark 2]

@reed thnx i doubt it will change anything though ppl have been makeing the same arguments about ash for years now.at this point i dont really much care anymore.

ASH IS COMEING BACK FULL TIME AS A SQUAD MEMBER!!!!

i call that a victory.

[mopotter]

Dragoncloud wrote...

My problem with it is that somehow there suddenly is another human spectre, whereas Shepard him/herself was already a tough one to put into that position, I just don't see the other councilors being very happy about putting another human in so soon after the first one, especially since the first one more or nearly got everyone killed with sovereign. A human special ops person, yes, a spectre no, i just can't see the VS at a level on par with other spectres. (and its pretty silly that all they have going for them is what, less then a few weeks/months under shepards tutelage.)

If you saved the council they need to show that they now know humans will act to help all races.  If you let them die and pick a new council human or otherwise, they know humans will make the decisions needed to get the job done, like Saren.  Either way I have no problem seeing them recruiting more humans.  We only know of the one (VS survivor) they may very well have recruited a few more.

[AresXX7]

mopotter wrote...

LuPoM wrote...

One thing I'm trying to unbderstand from this topic: the meaning of VS, and as far as I've got it's concerned to Ashley and Kaidan.. couldn't you atleast write it once in full in the main topic for the "non updated with the acronyms" like me?

But you got it.  I have that problem once in a while.  Sometimes I just google and other times I read, like you did, to figure it out.   VS is a little harder since it always comes up with things like MassEffect vs Fall Out. 

It means Virmire Survivor - i.e. the one you didn't leave to die on the planet, in ME1.

[CroGamer002]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

WOW......this is just....wow. *sigh* ok,here we go.

1. Ash is not a racist. Never once in the entire game dose ash say she dose not like aliens because they are aliens. She may find them weird looking and odd but that's because before Eden Prime and meeting Shepard she had never seen or meet any.

on Virmire Ash does not kill Wrex because he's a Krogan and she doesn't like him,ash kills Wrex because he is a tank with a shotgun pointed at her commander (and possible boy friend) not to mention Shepard tells ash "be ready" which pretty much says to me "hey watch my back if i get into trouble with this guy help me out".
I'd say a pissed off Krogan battlemaster firing shotgun blasts into the water,is pretty damn dangerous.
not to mention during that same mission if you send Williams with the Salarian STG team ash clearly says that she is uncomfortable working under someone else command and that she has gotten used to working with Shepard and his team including the aliens.

On board the Normandy when ash tells Shepard that she doesn't think that Garrus and Wrex should be allowed into vital and restricted systems, isn't out of racism its because she doesn't KNOW these people. Shepard lets random people who he/she literary picked up off the street onto the most advanced warship in the galaxy and lets them poke around where ever they like. She doesn't know if she can trust these people not to run off and betray their trust in any number of ways,shes only known them for like 3 days maybe more.in the end all she did was voice a concern about a possible security risk and BLATANT security breach.

2. Now onto xenophobia, Ash dose NOT HAVE A IRRATIONAL FEAR OF ALIENS! she is not afraid that humanity will lose itself by integrating into the council nor dose she say that humanity should go it alone and screw the rest of the alien races,nor dose she believe that humans are superior.

Ash has a cynical view that a lot people tend to have even in today's society. She believes that the Council will always do whats best for itself and if the Alliance ever needs there help in a dire situation the Council will not come to the rescue. That's not a racist view or a xenophobic view its the view of a patriotic soldier who wants whats best for her people. It's not as if the the Council and the Alliance were buddy buddy anyway they had numerous issues with one another at any moment a war could have broken out over any number of things.

Her dog and the bear analogy simply says that if the Council is the owner humanity is the dog and a great threat against the galaxy is the Bear. The owner in a bid to survive will let the dog loose to fight the bear while they run away from danger. Not because of racism but because humanity is not their own. It is not racism to care about your own people over others. It's not as if the Council doesn't have a history of doing this in the first place they used the Krogan to wipe out the Rachni they used the Turians to decimate the Krogan and when the Geth invaded the Attican Zraverse they used the Alliance to shield them from the Geth.

In short you want a true and clear view at racism and xenophobia i suggest you read Mass effect retribution and pay attention to TIM and Kai Leng they are obviously afraid of alien cultures and influences and share a great distaste for aliens.ash shares nothing in common with these two.

3. Ashley not being capable of handling those two Geth in that one 20 second cutscene on Eden Prime....are you serious......this example is the silliest thing I ever heard. What exactly in those 20 seconds gave you the impression that Ash couldn't kill those Geth? Ashley had been fighting on Eden prime for hours before Shep and the Normandy showed up she may have killed dozens of Geth before this scene you don't know. The thing that makes this so silly is that it was a 20 second or more scene that just showed Ash behind cover getting ready to attack. The fact that you would even use this as a reason to say she cant handle herself enough to be a Spectre because of that scene makes me take your post even  less seriously than I had before.

4. Uggghhh,are you serious.you really know nothing about this character at all. Sooo the FACT that ash can lead a highly elite Salarian STG  team in a suicidal frontal charge on Saren's base full of Geth and Krogan isn't a good enough example of how effective she can lead troops into battle. How about the fact that Shepard and Anderson comment on how awesome a soldier Ash is so awesome that's the reason why she was reassigned to the Normandy in the first place. Or the fact that in training runs Ash was hailed as a good leader by her squad.

5.Ummm OK she's a human, there's no rule book stating that all Spectres have to be calm and collected. We haven't even properly met any other Spectres. We knew Nihuls for like 10 minutes and only had one conversation with him and we had to kill Vasir and Saren so they don't really count. Plus Saren wasn't all that level headed if you even mentioned humanity or the alliance he would lose his mind.

Fixed for justice!


Anyway I have 1 disagreement.

Illusive Man is not racist or xenophobic. He doesn't mind aliens( worked with them many times), he's just pro-human.
Plus racist people don't sleep with those they hate.

Kai Leng though is a xenophobic racist douchebag that needs to get shot in the head.

[Dexi]

DO NOT ANNOY THE ASH FANBOYS THEY WILL EAT YOU!

And I do not understand why the OP finds weird that the VS are Spectres in ME3.
The VS are if not the worst, at least in top 5 worst written characters BW ever did.

Their character arcs SUCK ( even Ashley fans can agree with this) compared with those of the other ME1 crew ( maybe except Garrus, but he became a total badass in ME2 so...)
On Horizon, Ashley's reaction just proved plain stupidity from her part, and Kaidan's made him from a annoyingly boring person to an annoyingly pissed-off-for-no-big-reason person.
Their reactions are both off and contribute to the general feeling of "badly-written-characters".

You could say that "oh, well, after 2 years what'd you expect blabla", but Liara behaved differently, Garrus behaved differently, Tali ( whose Migrant Fleet was directly harmed by Cerberus) behaved differently and Wrex behaved very very differently.



In ME3 they are Spectres. Yes, that doesn't make any sense, but the way their characters evolve until the start of ME3 doesn't make any sense either.
Plus, most likely Kaidan will turn out to be bisexual, to make things even more awkward and out-of-sense ( you'd say that it's not a retcon or anything, he never stated he's 100% straight, but the whole thing adds to the "out-of-sense" feeling anyway).



Deal with it.

QFT.

[Antivenger]

Mesina2 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...
*snip*

Fixed for justice!


Anyway I have 1 disagreement.

Illusive Man is not racist or xenophobic. He doesn't mind aliens( worked with them many times), he's just pro-human.
Plus racist people don't sleep with those they hate.

Kai Leng though is a xenophobic racist douchebag that needs to get shot in the head.

Could you maybe bold the part you "fix'd"? I already like Ash, so TL;DR, the original post. Might read it if there was some "wrong" information in there

He banged an Asari Matriarch, as Mesina2 so eloquently hinted at.

@Dexi : You QFT'd yourself and deleted the name. Real nice.

Modifié par Antivenger, 19 juin 2011 - 02:49 .

[The Twilight God]

LeVaughnX wrote...
Ashley
1.) Is a racist.
2.) Is a xenophobe.
3.) Was completely incapable of handling two Geth in Mass Effect 1.
4.) Showed no ability to lead or command respect other than being a wannabe "Ripley".
5.) Is overly Emotional.

1. No, she isn't. She has shown no acknowledgment of the socialized institution of race.

2. Yes, she is to a certain degree. But who isn't? The Council's top Spectre, Saren, was xenophobic and Shepard can be xenophobic too if you play him that way.

3. Actually, she is. If you and Kaidan hang back and do nothing she will take care of the geth all by herself.  

4. Incorrect.

http://masseffect.bi...hley_part1.html

"She was awarded a commendation for her bold assault technique in a field exercise simulating an attack on turian point defense emplacements.

Drill Instructor Gunnery Chief Ellison noted her steadfast endurance and aggressive instincts, and promoted her to the role of squad leader. After observing her effective tutelage of the less skilled members of her training unit, he promoted her to platoon guide. She maintains a friendly correspondence with DI Ellison."

"Chief Williams' platoon has logged unanimous positive feedback on her leadership in the recent fitness review cycle. Private Nirali Bahtia praised her focus on team-building exercises and "tough but fair" discipline."

Kaiden
1.) Is easily bothered.
2.) Is overly Emotional but to a lesser degree as Ashley.
3.) Didn't really care for the council but he wasn't a racist.
4.) Argued a little with authority?

1. No, he isn't. He seems pretty stable.

2. No, he isn't. I don't know where you are getting any of this from. Please provide examples.

3. He was always defending the Council unless you turned him xenophobic as a femshep.

4. Argued alittle with xenophobe Shepard, you mean?

How does any of this make his SPECTRE candidacy any better or worse?

Both
1.) Couldn't handle their jobs alone in Mass Effect 1 causing the other to die; where as Shepard basically is a one man army.
2.) Neither over-came over-whelming odds.
3.) Both screwed up on Horizon (sp?).
4.) Neither seemingly collected any rational data on Horizon.
5.) Neither are capable of rational thought or logic.

1. Both held off the geth from the bomb single handedly. Other than that no one in the game, including Shepard, ever goes it solo. Shepard is part of a 3-man army in ME1.

2. Ashley was held back even through her service record deserved more. According to Chakwas, Kaidan has earned himself several medals and commendations before the events of ME1. It is simply never stated what he did to get them.

3. Both had no seeker deterent on Horizon. Shepard would have been paralyzed in the same manner without Mordin's tech. And Shepard would not have ben able to get the defenses online without EDI.

4. The mission in the terminus colonies was too provide them with defenses. And investigate if Cerberus was behind the kidnappings. I think their mission was completed and they got all the data they need after Horizon's conclusion.

5. Neither is Shepard. Kill Rachni queen or release? How about leave her where she's at and let the asari open talks with her? Derp!! Kill Balak or let him go? How about having the normandy intercept his vessel as it powers up to take off? Derp! 


Regardless of everything I posted I still think they should not be SPECTRES. Unless they are incapable of falling in combat it's going to be really immersion breaking. And the SPECTRE just got owned by nameless mook #415. Ah, the SPECTRE just got pwned again, this time by faceless mook #560!! SPECTREs used to be prestigious, but now it seems they'll let anyone in.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 19 juin 2011 - 02:51 .

[Chewin]

Dexi wrote...

DO NOT ANNOY THE ASH FANBOYS THEY WILL EAT YOU!

And I do not understand why the OP finds weird that the VS are Spectres in ME3.
The VS are if not the worst, at least in top 5 worst written characters BW ever did.

Their character arcs SUCK ( even Ashley fans can agree with this) compared with those of the other ME1 crew ( maybe except Garrus, but he became a total badass in ME2 so...)
On Horizon, Ashley's reaction just proved plain stupidity from her part, and Kaidan's made him from a annoyingly boring person to an annoyingly pissed-off-for-no-big-reason person.
Their reactions are both off and contribute to the general feeling of "badly-written-characters".

You could say that "oh, well, after 2 years what'd you expect blabla", but Liara behaved differently, Garrus behaved differently, Tali ( whose Migrant Fleet was directly harmed by Cerberus) behaved differently and Wrex behaved very very differently.



In ME3 they are Spectres. Yes, that doesn't make any sense, but the way their characters evolve until the start of ME3 doesn't make any sense either.
Plus, most likely Kaidan will turn out to be bisexual, to make things even more awkward and out-of-sense ( you'd say that it's not a retcon or anything, he never stated he's 100% straight, but the whole thing adds to the "out-of-sense" feeling anyway).

Deal with it.

QFT.

*facepalm*

You have obviously not read other peoples posts on this thread.

[crimzontearz]

I'm sorry I know this is a dead horse but...

part of the problem ius that bioware shoehorned Kaidan's/Ash's reaction on horizon regardless of the circumstances.

you could have shown up to her with Mordin and Garrus, after being re-instated as a spectre AND having Anderson's full support and the result conversation is

Ash: TRAITOR!

Shepard: uh.....I am trying to save humanity, you just got attacked and SAW an alien spcie abduct a bunch of people

Ash: LALALALALALA can't hear you. LALALALALALA you work for Cerberus now

Shepard: I am because the Alliance is doing nothing, For that matter I have the support of both Anderson AND the rest of the Alien council and they re-instated me spectre status. What more of a proof do you want?

Ash: Don't care, you are a terrorist now

Garrus: UH...Ash? It's me Garrus, you know, Turian...ALIEN? He is not working for cerberus, just using their resources agaisnt a common enemy that is actually threaten you and this one here is an ex Salarian STG

Mordin: indeed

Ash: LALALALALA don't care.....reporting to the alliance now LALALALALALA



no seriously, it was HORRIBLE writing, almost as horrible as shepard not doing anything about having to work with Cerberus even with a sole survivor background. No wonder a lot of people begun to dislike and demonize Ashley an Kaidan

[The Twilight God]

crimzontearz wrote...

no seriously, it was HORRIBLE writing, almost as horrible as shepard not doing anything about having to work with Cerberus even with a sole survivor background. No wonder a lot of people begun to dislike and demonize Ashley an Kaidan

The worst part about it was that there was no plot reason for the VS to be so antagonistic. It served no purpose other than to make them look stupid. I makes you think, maybe the writters do love Liara alittle too much and were purposely sabotaging the other ME1 LIs.

[Dexi]

Antivenger wrote...
@Dexi : You QFT'd yourself and deleted the name. Real nice.

Ah, damn it! 

No but seriously, you see how silly the thing I did was? Yes? Well that silly this whole thread is. 

That was my point. 

[crimzontearz]

The Twilight God wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no seriously, it was HORRIBLE writing, almost as horrible as shepard not doing anything about having to work with Cerberus even with a sole survivor background. No wonder a lot of people begun to dislike and demonize Ashley an Kaidan

The worst part about it was that there was no plot reason for the VS to be so antagonistic. It served no purpose other than to make them look stupid. I makes you think, maybe the writters do love Liara alittle too much and were purposely sabotaging the other ME1 LIs.

oh no...remember Liara BEFORE LOTSB?

it was just as bad if not worse because she actively chose the pursue of revenge for another man over her own paramour and helping him in a mission in which odds were he would have never made it out alive

until LOTSB I always romanced Tali because Liara plain and simple rejected my shepard for someone else or at least that is how it felt

[ArcanistLibram]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Alright slow down a second; I know I might be getting ahead of myself but I read (in Phaedon's Blog) that it's been confermed that the VS is a Spectre....I don't really see this as true for multiple reasons... I'll get them out of the way...

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Ashley

1.) Is a racist.

And this is where you start being completely wrong. Ashley's not racist. She just doesn't want to rely on the Council because she thinks they'll shove humanity under the bus the minute things get inconvenient for them, which is exactly what they do in Mass Effect 2.

[ashlover mark 2]

Antivenger wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...
*snip*

Fixed for justice!


Anyway I have 1 disagreement.

Illusive Man is not racist or xenophobic. He doesn't mind aliens( worked with them many times), he's just pro-human.
Plus racist people don't sleep with those they hate.

Kai Leng though is a xenophobic racist douchebag that needs to get shot in the head.

Could you maybe bold the part you "fix'd"? I already like Ash, so TL;DR, the original post. Might read it if there was some "wrong" information in there

He banged an Asari Matriarch, as Mesina2 so eloquently hinted at.

@Dexi : You QFT'd yourself and deleted the name. Real nice.

he just fixed my spelling.i think he agrees with my post.

i apologize i did not know TIM had sex with an asari.i still think he is a xenophobe but thats just my oppion.this isnt a thread about TIM.

EDIT: the part about racsim is mainly for Kai leng.i dont think TIM is racist

Modifié par ashlover mark 2, 19 juin 2011 - 03:38 .

[Trinity66]

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

[ashlover mark 2]

Trinity66 wrote...

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

dont know about kaidan,but ash dose eventualy realize that you are doing it for the right reasons.

which is why she apologizes afterwards.she even wishs you luck.

[Trinity66]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

dont know about kaidan,but ash dose eventualy realize that you are doing it for the right reasons.

which is why she apologizes afterwards.she even wishs you luck.

Yeah she send you a message, right? I think this is just in case when you romance her, because I don't remember getting that mail (I've never romanced her). So, actually she apologise only to her lover, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[RAF1940]

Trinity66 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

dont know about kaidan,but ash dose eventualy realize that you are doing it for the right reasons.

which is why she apologizes afterwards.she even wishs you luck.

Yeah she send you a message, right? I think this is just in case when you romance her, because I don't remember getting that mail (I've never romanced her). So, actually she apologise only to her lover, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, only if you romance her.

[ashlover mark 2]

Trinity66 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

dont know about kaidan,but ash dose eventualy realize that you are doing it for the right reasons.

which is why she apologizes afterwards.she even wishs you luck.

Yeah she send you a message, right? I think this is just in case when you romance her, because I don't remember getting that mail (I've never romanced her). So, actually she apologise only to her lover, but correct me if I'm wrong.

this is true.but its a nice letter.some ppl want more.i agree that ppl who didnt romance her should have gotten one.

here it is.

Subject: Hey there.

Shepard-

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you.

I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't let myself think about those memories in over a year.

I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going, but I can wish you luck.

Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.

--Ash

Death closes all: but something ere the end
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.