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[TobiTobsen]

People are still using Horizon as an argument for anything? That ****ty scene only exists to promote the new LI's.

"Did you saw how your old LI talked to you? You really have to check out the new ones we designed. C'mon... cheat on them!"

[mopotter]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

dont know about kaidan,but ash dose eventualy realize that you are doing it for the right reasons.

which is why she apologizes afterwards.she even wishs you luck.

Yeah she send you a message, right? I think this is just in case when you romance her, because I don't remember getting that mail (I've never romanced her). So, actually she apologise only to her lover, but correct me if I'm wrong.

this is true.but its a nice letter.some ppl want more.i agree that ppl who didnt romance her should have gotten one.

here it is.

Subject: Hey there.

Shepard-

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you.

I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't let myself think about those memories in over a year.

I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going, but I can wish you luck.

Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.

--Ash

Death closes all: but something ere the end
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.

If you romance them, they both send appology e-mails.  you have Ash's this one is Kaidan's


Shepard,

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

Then I saw you, and everything pulled hard to port. You were standing in front of me, but you were with Cerberus. I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore. Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last two years and I can't just put that aside.

But please be careful. I've watched too many people close to me die -- on Eden Prime, on Virmire, on Horizon, on the Normandy. I couldn't bear it if I lost you again. If you're still the woman I remember I know you'll find a way to stop these Collector attacks. But Cerberus is too dangerous to be trusted. Watch yourself.

When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know. Just take care.

--Kaidan

edit - extra word  and also agree there should have been something if you didn't romance them.  

Modifié par mopotter, 19 juin 2011 - 04:53 .

[crimzontearz]

Tobi

yes, that was the idea. Same with the awful Liara thing on Ilium before the release of LOTSB

I have been saying this since ME2 came out. The developers steered people in the arms of the new LIs so they could high five one another and "track the cheaters" with the hooks they left in the game

sorry, I feel the cheapened the whole thing. and pissed a lot of people off

I swear the only reason I want Ash on the normandy in ME3 is to call her on the BS she gave me on horizon

[Haseeo]

I'll happily welcome Kaiden into the Spectres.

[ashlover mark 2]

mopotter wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

dont know about kaidan,but ash dose eventualy realize that you are doing it for the right reasons.

which is why she apologizes afterwards.she even wishs you luck.

Yeah she send you a message, right? I think this is just in case when you romance her, because I don't remember getting that mail (I've never romanced her). So, actually she apologise only to her lover, but correct me if I'm wrong.

this is true.but its a nice letter.some ppl want more.i agree that ppl who didnt romance her should have gotten one.

here it is.

Subject: Hey there.

Shepard-

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you.

I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't let myself think about those memories in over a year.

I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going, but I can wish you luck.

Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.

--Ash

Death closes all: but something ere the end
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.

If you romance them, they both send appology e-mails.  you have Ash's this one is Kaidan's


Shepard,

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

Then I saw you, and everything pulled hard to port. You were standing in front of me, but you were with Cerberus. I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore. Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last two years and I can't just put that aside.

But please be careful. I've watched too many people close to me die -- on Eden Prime, on Virmire, on Horizon, on the Normandy. I couldn't bear it if I lost you again. If you're still the woman I remember I know you'll find a way to stop these Collector attacks. But Cerberus is too dangerous to be trusted. Watch yourself.

When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know. Just take care.

--Kaidan

edit - extra word  and also agree there should have been something if you didn't romance them.  

wow kais is pretty nice to.

these damn letters are more in charecter than their two scenes combined.

bioware......what were you THINKING while makeing ME2????

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I agree the VS doesn't seem like Spectre material. They've never done anything individually that would even put them on the map. Shepard did amazing things by himself during the Blitz that put him on the radar and then his leadership and capabilities made him a Spectre what does the VS have to show? They might have helped Shepard? Come on Horizon shows that they weren't able to do anything but hide and complain when the real Spectre shows up to save the day.

[crimzontearz]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...

Trinity66 wrote...

No matter what's your opinion on Ashley and Kadian, they shouldn't jump in Shepards throat and call him a traitor/disloyal. Shepard had worked with all kind of people and aliens, good and bad, because it was profitable/necessary/had no choice - to get the job done. And if that means working with Cerberus to destroy Collectors, because Alliance won't do a damn thing, then so be it. Both Ashley and Kaidan should know, that Shepard was doing this for good intentions. If they felt so close to Shepard as they were ****ing about it, then they should had a little faith in him/her.

But on topic: If there has to be one of them spectre, then Kaidan would be better for the job.

dont know about kaidan,but ash dose eventualy realize that you are doing it for the right reasons.

which is why she apologizes afterwards.she even wishs you luck.

Yeah she send you a message, right? I think this is just in case when you romance her, because I don't remember getting that mail (I've never romanced her). So, actually she apologise only to her lover, but correct me if I'm wrong.

this is true.but its a nice letter.some ppl want more.i agree that ppl who didnt romance her should have gotten one.

here it is.

Subject: Hey there.

Shepard-

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. When I lost you two years ago, it tore me up. I prayed for you every day. I read a lot of Tennyson, thinking about you, just like I did when my dad passed. And then you came back, and it was like my prayers were answered. But I'm not who I was then, and neither are you.

I don't know what's true anymore. Part of me can't believe it's really you. I keep going back to that night before Ilos, our night... I haven't let myself think about those memories in over a year.

I wouldn't have expected you to work for Cerberus, but I know why they sent you to Horizon. I saw how many people were lost there, and if anyone can stop the Collectors, you can. I can't go where you're going, but I can wish you luck.

Just stay alive out there... Skipper. I don't know what the future holds, but I can't lose you a second time.

--Ash

Death closes all: but something ere the end
Some work of noble note, may yet be done,
Not unbecoming men that strove with Gods.

If you romance them, they both send appology e-mails.  you have Ash's this one is Kaidan's


Shepard,

I'm sorry for what I said back on Horizon. I spent two years pulling myself back together after you went down with the Normandy. It took me a long time to get over my guilt for surviving and move on. I'd finally let my friends talk me into going out for drinks with a doctor on the Citadel. Nothing serious, but trying to let myself have a life again, you know?

Then I saw you, and everything pulled hard to port. You were standing in front of me, but you were with Cerberus. I guess I really don't know who either of us is anymore. Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last two years and I can't just put that aside.

But please be careful. I've watched too many people close to me die -- on Eden Prime, on Virmire, on Horizon, on the Normandy. I couldn't bear it if I lost you again. If you're still the woman I remember I know you'll find a way to stop these Collector attacks. But Cerberus is too dangerous to be trusted. Watch yourself.

When things settle down a little... maybe... I don't know. Just take care.

--Kaidan

edit - extra word  and also agree there should have been something if you didn't romance them.  

wow kais is pretty nice to.

these damn letters are more in charecter than their two scenes combined.

bioware......what were you THINKING while makeing ME2????

answer: "We had to push you into the arms of the new LIs"

[Haseeo]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I agree the VS doesn't seem like Spectre material. They've never done anything individually that would even put them on the map. Shepard did amazing things by himself during the Blitz that put him on the radar and then his leadership and capabilities made him a Spectre what does the VS have to show? They might have helped Shepard? Come on Horizon shows that they weren't able to do anything but hide and complain when the real Spectre shows up to save the day.

If you remember they were hit buy the bugs and frozen if not for Mordin even Shepard would of been if he landed without the defense.

[ashlover mark 2]

@crimzontearz which is why ME2 was so lacking for me.had i wanted Mirianda or tali or jack,i would have gone to them of my own accord.

i understand that they wanted to have some conflict between shep and ash for the contiuning romance.but the way it was excuted just made it more easy to hate ash and kai.

as if they didnt have enough problems in that departmen already.

[crimzontearz]

luckily after LOTSB Liara was acceptable in ME2...I was hoping for a similar treatment for Ash and Kaidan but alas it did not happen

[Guitar-Hero]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Alright slow down a second; I know I might be getting ahead of myself but I read (in Phaedon's Blog) that it's been confermed that the VS is a Spectre....I don't really see this as true for multiple reasons... I'll get them out of the way...

-----
Ashley

1.) Is a racist.

2.) Is a xenophobe.

3.) Was completely incapable of handling two Geth in Mass Effect 1.

4.) Showed no ability to lead or command respect other than being a wannabe "Ripley".

5.) Is overly Emotional.
-----
Kaiden

1.) Is easily bothered.

2.) Is overly Emotional but to a lesser degree as Ashley.

3.) Didn't really care for the council but he wasn't a racist.

4.) Argued a little with authority?
-----
Both

1.) Couldn't handle their jobs alone in Mass Effect 1 causing the other to die; where as Shepard basically is a one man army.

2.) Neither over-came over-whelming odds.

3.) Both screwed up on Horizon (sp?).

4.) Neither seemingly collected any rational data on Horizon.

5.) Neither are capable of rational thought or logic.
-----

Now there is also one major thing that bothered me about this... They've said already that a "Luke I am your Father" type twist is going to be in the game...Well my guess is that the VS (considering the Collectors/Reapers basically left them on Horizon but took nearly everyone else) has been secretly implanted with some form of control device or implanted with some cyborgnetics in general by the Collectors and or Reapers during their time in Stasis on Horizon. So if its true that they are a Spectre (but neither really deserves it above anyone else...Zaeed should be the second Human Spectre if anything hah) then this could be the big twist.

In any-case; what do you guys think about this information? What are your opinions? I'm not looking for a rage-war or a flame-war; though the fanboys will start something I'm sure.

So mature comments only please

1. While neither Kaiden nor Ash showed Spectre material in ME we have to assume they have changed during the course of ME2, and if the alliance made a push to have either one become a Spectre it might have been a diplomatic bone rather than a proof of skill.
2. If fiction means you can't be emotionally attached to something then why do we need it at all? the reason fiction has any relevance at all is because we as humans are driven by our emotions to escape, reflect, draw connections, and most importantly care about things, after all living creatures are just blobs of flesh meat and bone if there were no emotionel ties present.
3. they way you present your argument is biast at best, and if you want a mature discoussion about fiction then you can't expect people to be unbiased if you aren't able to be so yourself.
4. Sorry for all the finger pointing it just bothered me.

[Vicex]

Wintermist wrote...

So she's both a racist and a xenophobe? Just how exactly is she both?

Quite easily actually:

Racist:

• The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes.
  
  
• The belief that one race is superior to all others.
  
  
• Prejudice or discrimination based upon race.

Xenophobe:

• One who fears that which is unknown; one who fears people who are different from oneself, especially in the case of foreign people

What is so hard to understand?

You can hate something and fear it at the sametime, can you not? Fear of the unknown...leading to hate.



But back to the original topic, I don't mind having either be a spectre if it turns out to be true.         *Edit* Format got all screwy on me, try to deal with it.

Modifié par Vicex, 19 juin 2011 - 05:32 .

[ashlover mark 2]

crimzontearz wrote...

luckily after LOTSB Liara was acceptable in ME2...I was hoping for a similar treatment for Ash and Kaidan but alas it did not happen

i personnely dotn blame or hate ash or kai for horizon.i will still contiune my romance with into ME3

i just hate how horizon has just become another reason for ppl to hate on ash.

before all you ever heard was "OMG ashley is ****in racist XENOPOHBE,i left her ass to fry on virmire lol"

theres still some of that but now that ash fanbase has come togther and sort of balanced out the hate bioware slaps us in the face with horizon.

now all you ever hear is "OMG ashley is a disloyal ****,how dare she call my shep a traitor,im gonna cheat on her ass with tali lol"

just gets soooooooo tireing after all this time

[The Twilight God]

crimzontearz wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no seriously, it was HORRIBLE writing, almost as horrible as shepard not doing anything about having to work with Cerberus even with a sole survivor background. No wonder a lot of people begun to dislike and demonize Ashley an Kaidan

The worst part about it was that there was no plot reason for the VS to be so antagonistic. It served no purpose other than to make them look stupid. I makes you think, maybe the writters do love Liara alittle too much and were purposely sabotaging the other ME1 LIs.

oh no...remember Liara BEFORE LOTSB?

it was just as bad if not worse because she actively chose the pursue of revenge for another man over her own paramour and helping him in a mission in which odds were he would have never made it out alive

until LOTSB I always romanced Tali because Liara plain and simple rejected my shepard for someone else or at least that is how it felt

Liara refuses to go with you and is obcesed over her own stuff. She doesn't berate you and act like you're a traitor.  I never took it as her picking another man over Shepard. I'm not that insecure to think that she can't have platonic friends and family other than Shepard that she would care about. The only problem with Liara's scene is that it is badly written. You're left unsure as to exactly what your relationship is. She starts off kissing you and then it's just like any other non-romance encounter. But I'm not referring to romance. Simply, the VS reaction to Shepard period - romance or not.

[KainrycKarr]

Nothing in the OP is factual, thread is invalid.

Stop dividing by zero.

[crimzontearz]

The Twilight God wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

no seriously, it was HORRIBLE writing, almost as horrible as shepard not doing anything about having to work with Cerberus even with a sole survivor background. No wonder a lot of people begun to dislike and demonize Ashley an Kaidan

The worst part about it was that there was no plot reason for the VS to be so antagonistic. It served no purpose other than to make them look stupid. I makes you think, maybe the writters do love Liara alittle too much and were purposely sabotaging the other ME1 LIs.

oh no...remember Liara BEFORE LOTSB?

it was just as bad if not worse because she actively chose the pursue of revenge for another man over her own paramour and helping him in a mission in which odds were he would have never made it out alive

until LOTSB I always romanced Tali because Liara plain and simple rejected my shepard for someone else or at least that is how it felt

Liara refuses to go with you and is obcesed over her own stuff. She doesn't berate you and act like you're a traitor.  I never took it as her picking another man over Shepard. I'm not that insecure to think that she can't have platonic friends and family other than Shepard that she would care about. The only problem with Liara's scene is that it is badly written. You're left unsure as to exactly what your relationship is. She starts off kissing you and then it's just like any other non-romance encounter. But I'm not referring to romance. Simply, the VS reaction to Shepard period - romance or not.

it is not a matter of insecurity, it's a matter of perspective

She goes through god knows how much to get you back to Cerberus so they may bering you back but she feels like crap about it. Once you have forgiven her she still basically says "sorry shepard, I know you might very well die permanently this time around but I am still not coming with you in spite of our relationship.....I'll just stick here to try and find the shadow broker and avenge Feron"

even if all they had was a platonic friendship she still chooses him over me....and he is, for all she knows, already dead....I'm her lover and I am ALIVE

to me that stung more than the VS BS on Horizon 

[Kabanya101]

The fact that the Virmire Survivor is a Specter is a slap in the face, at least to me. Neither of them showed leadership, but you don't need that to be a Specter.

A Specter needs to be able to get the job done at ALL costs, no matter what. And so far in the Mass Effect series, neither of them have done anything to help elevate them to that status. Except for stopping Saren, but even then, they didn't call the shots or run the show, they were just tag alongs.

I don't like either of them, but I will take Ashley any day of the week over Kaiden. The whole racist thing is a bummer with her, that's why I romanced Liara and Liara is better looking, and plus Kaiden is SSSSOOOOOOOO BORING to listen to. His monotone voice once put me to sleep, if my phone didn't go off I probably wouldn't have woken up.

[Mathias]

The ignorance of some people truly makes my skin crawl. We live in such a politically correct society it's almost impossible to not be called a racist at some point in your life. For all the people who are STILL calling Ashley a racist, you need to stop acting all high and mighty. Every single human being is capable of some form of intolerance. Like if the FBI taped all of your phone conversations, board posts and texts for the past year, i guarantee you wouldn't have a job by monday.

You really show how uneducated you are when you call Ashley a racist/xenophobe. Let's say you are a crew member of a highly advanced submarine equipped with near perfect stealth, and can launch nukes at any part of the world. All of a sudden your Captain starts letting Russians, Iranians, and Chinese soldiers on board. Are you gonna sit there and tell me that you wouldn't be the least bit cautious towards these guys?

You know what? I kinda like the idea of some people being too stupid to realize Ashley isn't a racist. It gives players like me a more exclusive feeling knowing that we belong to a group who has more brains than the other.

[I AM KROGAAANNN]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Stopped reading after you called Ashley a racist. Honest to god, i wonder if people are slightly aware of how uneducated they sound when they say things like that.

Because all her comments regarding aliens in ME1 (vocal concerns about Wrex and Vakarian tinkering with their ship, "I can't tell the aliens from the animals," etc) and her statement that "I don't like aliens" on Horizon in ME2, are clearly not indicative of at least minial amounts of chauvinism, jingoism, and prejudice. 

Education is not a prerequisite for the use of deductive logic, dear child.   

[Dexi]

Why isn't this locked yet?

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I AM KROGAAANNN wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Stopped reading after you called Ashley a racist. Honest to god, i wonder if people are slightly aware of how uneducated they sound when they say things like that.

Because all her comments regarding aliens in ME1 (vocal concerns about Wrex and Vakarian tinkering with their ship, "I can't tell the aliens from the animals," etc) and her statement that "I don't like aliens" on Horizon in ME2, are clearly not indicative of at least minial amounts of chauvinism, jingoism, and prejudice. 

Education is not a prerequisite for the use of deductive logic, dear child.   

"Vocal concerns about Wrex and Vakarian tinkering with the ship"
That has to do with her being a soldier and not wanting technological secrets being so easily available to other species... who could very well one day, or even now, be enemies....it's like the one guy said about the submarine and you start letting members of other countries' militaries on board.... most soldiers and going to be unsure and cautious towards them. Same with Ash...

"I can't tell aliens from the animals"

That's just a comment on their appearance... how turians may look like birds or hanar like jellyfish. 

"I don't like aliens"

Actually, if I recall correctly... she says, "I'm no fan of aliens" ..... which doesn't necessarily means she HATES aliens... like if I said, "I'm no fan of the beetles" ... that doesn't mean I hate them.

Plus she speaks out against the Terra Firma party and Cerberus, two groups known to hate aliens and promote humanity above all else. 

[I AM KROGAAANNN]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

The ignorance of some people truly makes my skin crawl. We live in such a politically correct society it's almost impossible to not be called a racist at some point in your life. For all the people who are STILL calling Ashley a racist, you need to stop acting all high and mighty. Every single human being is capable of some form of intolerance. Like if the FBI taped all of your phone conversations, board posts and texts for the past year, i guarantee you wouldn't have a job by monday.

You really show how uneducated you are when you call Ashley a racist/xenophobe. Let's say you are a crew member of a highly advanced submarine equipped with near perfect stealth, and can launch nukes at any part of the world. All of a sudden your Captain starts letting Russians, Iranians, and Chinese soldiers on board. Are you gonna sit there and tell me that you wouldn't be the least bit cautious towards these guys?

You know what? I kinda like the idea of some people being too stupid to realize Ashley isn't a racist. It gives players like me a more exclusive feeling knowing that we belong to a group who has more brains than the other.

"Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities that are entirely due to their race, however defined, and that, as a consequence, justify the different treatment of those people, both socially and legally."

Would I jump on the race bandwagon and assume that all Iranians, Chinese, and Russians have views antithetical to those that characterize an America's outlook in a sensitive American subsidized mission? No. I would first observe their actions and would only take action if it bears a strong similitude to that of a hyper-nationalistic and socially harmful viewpoint. Would I be cautious out of some sense of genetic/racial/physical superiority and the need to preserve this alleged superiority? No. 

Ashley's perspective is directed towards a good majority of the aliens in the Mass Effect universe. She has misconceptions about Garrus because she assumes he holds an anti-human viewpoint that all Turians hold from the First Contact War, and could thus jeopardize their mission. 

The Krogan have never done anything to humans on a large scale and yet, Ashley is also suspicious of his intent. If that is not indicative of racism, then I do not know what is.

She also insults Liara's physical appearence (blue skin, tentacle head) during the romance conflict and uses it to imply several things about her character. Please refer to the "racism" definition above and form a final conclusion. 

Time and time again, Ashley crosses the attenuated line between racism and race nationalism in ME1.  Although she does make several attempts to interact with other races in ME1, her anti-alien statement in ME2 does not further her cause. 

Often times, those who accuse others of political-correctness with respect to race relations are themselves, racists. 

[Dave of Canada]

Ashley's original writer said she isn't a xenophobe, so I guess half of you guys know more than he did.

[I AM KROGAAANNN]

That has to do with her being a soldier and not wanting technological secrets being so easily available to other species... who could very well one day, or even now, be enemies....it's like the one guy said about the submarine and you start letting members of other countries' militaries on board.... most soldiers and going to be unsure and cautious towards them. Same with Ash...

Refer to my previous post. She's just being irrational here. 

That's just a comment on their appearance... how turians may look like birds or hanar like jellyfish.

White people look like donkeys. Its just a comment on their appearance and not meant to be offensive. 

Ultimately, the intent is what matters and Ashley's intent was anything but innocuous. 

Actually, if I recall correctly... she says, "I'm no fan of aliens" ..... which doesn't necessarily means she HATES aliens... like if I said, "I'm no fan of the beetles" ... that doesn't mean I hate them.

I'm no fan of Indians. It doesn't necessarily mean I HATE Indians. 

Do you have any idea how idiotic this sounds? Comments like that blur the line between racism and stereotypes, hate and dislike. 

Plus she speaks out against the Terra Firma party and Cerberus, two groups known to hate aliens and promote humanity above all else. 

I "speak out" against the Republican Party, which is known to be full of racists, bigots, nationalists, conservatives, etc. Does that mean I oppose their political and economic ideology? 

Modifié par I AM KROGAAANNN, 19 juin 2011 - 08:07 .

[SeaSquared]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I agree the VS doesn't seem like Spectre material. They've never done anything individually that would even put them on the map. Shepard did amazing things by himself during the Blitz that put him on the radar and then his leadership and capabilities made him a Spectre what does the VS have to show? They might have helped Shepard? Come on Horizon shows that they weren't able to do anything but hide and complain when the real Spectre shows up to save the day.

If Shep has the Sole survivor background (which is default BTW) then all they did was survive, thats it.

If they have Ruthless (my Main does) then they accomplish their mission with heavy casualties and commited what are essentially war crimes. While those are impressive in their own way niether sound like "spectre material"

On Eden prime Shepard lost one of his squad to a pair of recon drones, Nihlus was killed, Saren escaped with no "proof" that he was there (except the dock workers word which should have been accepted, how the f*ck would he know Saren's name and everything council?, but I digress) the beacon was destoryed after it smacked the sh!t out of Shepard.

So far Shepard was mostly a failure to some for good reason, but he had potential.

Modifié par SeaSquared, 19 juin 2011 - 08:21 .