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[The Twilight God]

crimzontearz wrote...

even if all they had was a platonic friendship she still chooses him over me....and he is, for all she knows, already dead....I'm her lover and I am ALIVE

to me that stung more than the VS BS on Horizon 

She chose herself. She assumes Feron is dead so it is her own personal desire for vengence that she chose over going on a supposed suicide mission and letting the Shadow Broken get away with it. Personally, I wouldn't want to bring someone I was romantically involved with to a suicide mission (including squadmate LIs). It makes the ME2 LIs seem more like end of the world last peice of tail before I die flings. Especial femshp and Garrus. He's a great guy, but he looks like a cross between a raptor, a cat and a coachroach. Give me a break.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ashley's original writer said she isn't a xenophobe, so I guess half of you guys know more than he did.

If that wasn't his/her intention, than there are dozens of different ways that feeling could've been expressed without sounding like a racist. I.e. NOT comparing people to animals.

[Paula Deen]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Alright slow down a second; I know I might be getting ahead of myself but I read (in Phaedon's Blog) that it's been confermed that the VS is a Spectre....I don't really see this as true for multiple reasons... I'll get them out of the way...

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Ashley

1.) Is a racist. A rather minor case, which she grows out of throughout ME1.

2.) Is a xenophobe. See above.

3.) Was completely incapable of handling two Geth in Mass Effect 1. She could have handled them herself; your help just made things easier. Besides, Shepard couldn't handle a handful of geth by him/herself at the beginning of the game, either. It's called LEVELING UP.

4.) Showed no ability to lead or command respect other than being a wannabe "Ripley". Did you miss the part where she effectively led the STG on Virmire? Or her highly recommended performance as a unit leader of the 212?

5.) Is overly Emotional. Passionate, yes. Perhaps overly emotional in ME1. By ME2, there's been two years of character development we haven't seen.
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Kaiden

1.) Is easily bothered. We've never seen that. At all.

2.) Is overly Emotional but to a lesser degree as Ashley. I'm pretty sure this guy is the second most stoic of the entire crew (Wrex wins out on that one).

3.) Didn't really care for the council but he wasn't a racist. Wrong, and doesn't even make a point.

4.) Argued a little with authority? This is what we call, "Grasping at staws."
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Both

1.) Couldn't handle their jobs alone in Mass Effect 1 causing the other to die; where as Shepard basically is a one man army. Are we playing the same game?

2.) Neither over-came over-whelming odds. So all of the impossible missions you take on in ME1 are cakewalks, then?

3.) Both screwed up on Horizon (sp?). When you can repel a surprise invasion by a vastly superior force with highly advanced technology with nothing more than a rifle, let us know.

4.) Neither seemingly collected any rational data on Horizon. ...and you know that, how?

5.) Neither are capable of rational thought or logic. Apparently, neither are you. Now you're just trolling.
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Now there is also one major thing that bothered me about this... They've said already that a "Luke I am your Father" type twist is going to be in the game...Well my guess is that the VS (considering the Collectors/Reapers basically left them on Horizon but took nearly everyone else) has been secretly implanted with some form of control device or implanted with some cyborgnetics in general by the Collectors and or Reapers during their time in Stasis on Horizon. So if its true that they are a Spectre (but neither really deserves it above anyone else...Zaeed should be the second Human Spectre if anything hah) then this could be the big twist.

In any-case; what do you guys think about this information? What are your opinions? I'm not looking for a rage-war or a flame-war; though the fanboys will start something I'm sure.

So mature comments only please

My comments are in bold. Seriously, stop trolling.

[SeaSquared]

Why do people find Kaiden boring? so hes not super emotional about what he got at starbucks today, so what? He was a normal-ish person, and that one reason I liked him. Wrex is the same for like 3 missions except his stories are alien-related. Im sorry but If you find you cant talk to Kaiden I doubt you have a normal social health. maybe Im missing something.

[mopotter]

crimzontearz wrote...

ashlover mark 2 wrote...


wow kais is pretty nice to.

these damn letters are more in charecter than their two scenes combined.

bioware......what were you THINKING while makeing ME2????

answer: "We had to push you into the arms of the new LIs"

That may be what they wanted to do, but really for me at least, they failed.  I liked some of the ME2 LI but not enough to dump Ash or Kaidan.  I had some who left thier LI behind or didn't have a LI in ME1 so those are the ones who romanced ME 2 characters.   I'm also a fan of the "didn't cheat - moved on" group, but that's a different thread.

back on subject - Kaidan and Ash will both make good Spectres.  As others have said, Spectres have diffferent personalities and skills.  Nihlus vs Saren were not alike, I have no problem seeing either Ash or Kaidan as a Spectre.

[Lumikki]

TobiTobsen wrote...

People are still using Horizon as an argument for anything? That ****ty scene only exists to promote the new LI's.

"Did you saw how your old LI talked to you? You really have to check out the new ones we designed. C'mon... cheat on them!"

Just comment this. I have had no LI in any ME serie games nor I will have, because absolute zero interest for it. So, the LI is not part of this, as it's OPTIONAL content. If it's not, then we have bigger issue here, do we?

Point been, I'm female Shepard and I met Asley in Horizon. I can only judge the scene based what Asley says and because no LI in anywhere in my gameplay, then I can't judge the talk based like some old LI talking.  So, what is sayed is valid for argument.

Modifié par Lumikki, 19 juin 2011 - 09:09 .

[Mwames]

I agree with all of the points discussed in the very first post. If one of them had to be a Spectre, I think KaidAn would be the better choice mostly because he's not a total xenophobe and he seems to be level-headed in most situations (other than Horizon).

[Funkcase]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ashley's original writer said she isn't a xenophobe, so I guess half of you guys know more than he did.

If that wasn't his/her intention, than there are dozens of different ways that feeling could've been expressed without sounding like a racist. I.e. NOT comparing people to animals.

Ow ****** off, so you dont think Hanar look like jellyfish?

[Someone With Mass]

Funkcase wrote...
Ow ****** off, so you dont think Hanar look like jellyfish?

Yes, but I don't think any race would appreciate being refered to like that.

[TobiTobsen]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ashley's original writer said she isn't a xenophobe, so I guess half of you guys know more than he did.

If that wasn't his/her intention, than there are dozens of different ways that feeling could've been expressed without sounding like a racist. I.e. NOT comparing people to animals.

What exactly makes that statement racist or xenophobe? Humanity is the dog in her analogy, not the aliens 

Of course the council races would send somebody else to die in their place if they had the chance. The humans would do the same. I would do the same. My instinct of self-preservation demands it.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Funkcase wrote...
Ow ****** off, so you dont think Hanar look like jellyfish?

Yes

Xenophobe. 

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 19 juin 2011 - 09:16 .

[Funkcase]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Funkcase wrote...
Ow ****** off, so you dont think Hanar look like jellyfish?

Yes, but I don't think any race would appreciate being refered to like that.

Yeah im sure they wouldn't, it's not racist though, slightly insulting maybe, yes. And she doesn't actualy say it towards anyone in particular, she's just thinking out loud.

[Son of Illusive Man]

Saren Arterius was a Spectre and disliked humans. As long as they don't broadcast it to everyone around them at all times, I think they're fine.

[atheelogos]

crimzontearz wrote...

I'm sorry I know this is a dead horse but...

part of the problem ius that bioware shoehorned Kaidan's/Ash's reaction on horizon regardless of the circumstances.

lol well your right about that. It was a pointless cameo that had no context.

[Paulinius]

Ashley/Kaiden becoming a SPECTRE seems too much of a filler to add to the story instead of something that would likely happen. But so are a lot of other things in ME.

In the end, does it really matter?

[Antivenger]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ashley's original writer said she isn't a xenophobe, so I guess half of you guys know more than he did.

If that wasn't his/her intention, than there are dozens of different ways that feeling could've been expressed without sounding like a racist. I.e. NOT comparing people to animals.

"I can't tell the aliens fron the animals!"

Glitched coding. That line was supposed to activate around keepers only, referring to their sentient-like appearance. You guys never check this stuff ._.

The line between slight prejudice and xenophobia can get blurry, but at the end of it it doesn't matter. We're all dead anyways.

Modifié par Antivenger, 19 juin 2011 - 09:48 .

[DuffyMJ]

Spectres' don't have to be the best of the best in combat, it says in the codex some spectre's work in groups, some are basically more like diplomats while others are more like Saren and Shep. -- assassains/commandos.

[atheelogos]

Paulinius wrote...

Ashley/Kaiden becoming a SPECTRE seems too much of a filler to add to the story instead of something that would likely happen. But so are a lot of other things in ME.

In the end, does it really matter?

Why is it so hard for you to buy it? I mean really who's more qualified to be a Spectre than those two? I mean humans.

[1136342t54_]

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

Saren Arterius was a Spectre and disliked humans. As long as they don't broadcast it to everyone around them at all times, I think they're fine.

End thread/

[C9316]

If Ashley is a racist/xenophobe then that means everyone in the Alliance who mistrusts or resents aliens is a racist as well. Jeez...

[ObserverStatus]

LeVaughnX wrote...
Ashley
4.) Showed no ability to lead or command respect other than being a wannabe "Ripley".

A wanna be Ripley?  Really? She always struck me as more of a wannabe "Vasquez"

[Paulinius]

atheelogos wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Ashley/Kaiden becoming a SPECTRE seems too much of a filler to add to the story instead of something that would likely happen. But so are a lot of other things in ME.

In the end, does it really matter?

Why is it so hard for you to buy it? I mean really who's more qualified to be a Spectre than those two? I mean humans.

Seeing that there are at least 11.4 billion humans during the time frame of ME1 and assuming at low-ball figure of 1% of them being in the military, that gives us a total military force of 114,000,000 humans. Statistically speaking, sheer probability says one of them would be better than the VS.

But now that you mention it and I think about it some more, if the Council was going to add another SPECTRE and for whatever reason they decide to get a human one (maybe to balance things out a bit) they would must likely ask the human councilor his opinion. For most people, that would be Anderson and he would probably recommend the VS due to the recent events from ME1.

[Son of Illusive Man]

Also, we have no idea how many Spectres there are. There could be hundreds for all we know, and we've only seen about 4.

The alliance has been trying to add more Spectres since becoming a council race, BTW

[atheelogos]

Paulinius wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Paulinius wrote...

Ashley/Kaiden becoming a SPECTRE seems too much of a filler to add to the story instead of something that would likely happen. But so are a lot of other things in ME.

In the end, does it really matter?

Why is it so hard for you to buy it? I mean really who's more qualified to be a Spectre than those two? I mean humans.

and he would probably recommend the VS due to the recent events from ME1.

That's the point they helped shep stop the Geth and Reapers. There is no better candidate.

[KingNothing125]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Ashley

1.) Is a racist.

2.) Is a xenophobe.

Ugh. So tired of this meme. Did you even bother talking to her more than a couple times? That is clearly hyperbole.