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[MisterMist]

http://palgn.com.au/...fect-3-preview/

It praises the combat, but tbh GOW combat isn't good news to me.

"...the epic sci-fi series' transformation from geeky RPG to hardcore shoot-em-up"

Love how RPGs are teh suxorz and Shooters are 1337.

http://www.pcworld.c...o_the_core.html

I know Mass Effect 3 should be an amazing game, but Dragon Age 2 was supposed to be one, too, and stuff like this scares me a bit after what happened there. Does anyone else worry at least a little when they hear this?

Modifié par MisterMist, 19 juin 2011 - 04:56 .

[Beerfish]

Very simple way to alay your fears. Don't buy the game when it first comes out. Talk to someone whose opinion you value who has it and then buy or don't buy. Problem solved, no angst or worry whatsoever.

[cactusberry]

Devs for DA and ME are separate..

[Lucifer_Cheney]

Same business model though! Having said that, I like what I saw at E3 and have hope BW will make it more rpg-ey!

Modifié par Lucifer_Cheney, 19 juin 2011 - 05:05 .

[shnizzler93]

Lucifer_Cheney wrote...

Same business model though!

prove it

[MassEffect762]

Get used to it, EA is calling the shots now. Can't say I like it though many apparently do, at least regarding Mass Effect.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 19 juin 2011 - 05:05 .

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Mass Effect always had shooter elements. I would prefer that those elements be good shooter elements. Of course, it would also be awesome to pair those with good RPG elements - the point is that smooth gameplay and stuff like weapon mods are not mutually exclusive

Modifié par DaveExclamationMarkYognaut, 19 juin 2011 - 05:05 .

[Haristo]

 "...the epic sci-fi series' transformation from geeky RPG to hardcore shoot-em-up"

So BioWare tries to attract Douchebags in their ranks or the journalist is just being a moron ?

I mean... God damnit this kind of stuff ****** me off ! BioWare is a bunch of nerds doing nerds things for nerds. and the BSN is just one of the Biggest nerd community of all time.

Douchebags got their Shooter crap, can we have our intelligent good games ? I don't expect from a Douchebag to watch Super 8 or to understand Black Swan like I don't want them to take over Mass Effect. It's exactly the kind of ****s who spitted on Star Trek and now they want a part of the priiiiiiiiize... <_<

[Lucifer_Cheney]

shnizzler93 wrote...

Lucifer_Cheney wrote...

Same business model though!

prove it

Just wait until DA 3 is released with a Qunari Horde co-op mode!

[goofyomnivore]

MisterMist wrote...

http://palgn.com.au/...fect-3-preview/

It praises the combat, but tbh GOW combat isn't good news to me.

"...the epic sci-fi series' transformation from geeky RPG to hardcore shoot-em-up"

Love how RPGs are teh suxorz and Shooters are 1337.

http://www.pcworld.c...o_the_core.html

I know Mass Effect 3 should be an amazing game, but Dragon Age 2 was supposed to be one, too, and stuff like this scares me a bit after what happened there. Does anyone else worry at least a little when they hear this?

Dragon Age 2 had so many red flags, I don't know why people expected it to be an amazing game. I thought it could be a good game, but amazing no way. They were changing too many things in a short time frame. Mass Effect 3 may be "expanding" the audience, but it doesn't have the baggage Dragon Age had/still has to overcome to get there.

[FluffyScarf]

ME1 was a shoot-em-up too. Certainly explains why 90% of the game consisted of shooting galleries. Time for the nostalgia-tards to come in with their RPGs are the best genre crap.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 19 juin 2011 - 05:13 .

[MisterMist]

strive wrote...

Dragon Age 2 had so many red flags, I don't know why people expected it to be an amazing game. I thought it could be a good game, but amazing no way. They were changing too many things in a short time frame. Mass Effect 3 may be "expanding" the audience, but it doesn't have the baggage Dragon Age had/still has to overcome to get there.

People expected it to be amazing because Bioware made it, and I don't mind them expanding the audience as long they don't leave ME1 and 2 fans behind like DA 2 did.

[Clonedzero]

from what ive seen, its only been improved. stop being a worrywart.

adding in a gears of war style movement system is only a good thing. theres a reason why gears of war is the king of the third person shooter genre, thats because its the best. ME3 taking cues on its combat from gears is a pretty good thing, if it doesnt get in the way of the story or mechanics then its absolutely great.

Modifié par Clonedzero, 19 juin 2011 - 05:15 .

[Inspectre]

Haristo wrote...
Douchebags got their Shooter crap, can we have our intelligent good games ?

Mass Effect is a great game, one of my favs, but it is far from intelligent.

shnizzler93 wrote...
prove it

... same business?

Beerfish wrote...

Very simple way to alay your fears.
Don't buy the game when it first comes out. Talk to someone whose
opinion you value who has it and then buy or don't buy. Problem solved,
no angst or worry whatsoever.

The problem is that Bioware knows fans will buy the game for the story and characters, as long as they're done 'okay'.  This lets them get away with crap combat and gameplay.

Hell, I myself haven't enjoyed a bioware games gameplay since KotOR.  In Mass Effect and Dragon Age, the combat is a chore and the reward is dialog.

[Deaddude56]

Haristo wrote...

 "...the epic sci-fi series' transformation from geeky RPG to hardcore shoot-em-up"

So BioWare tries to attract Douchebags in their ranks or the journalist is just being a moron ?

I mean... God damnit this kind of stuff ****** me off ! BioWare is a bunch of nerds doing nerds things for nerds. and the BSN is just one of the Biggest nerd community of all time.

Douchebags got their Shooter crap, can we have our intelligent good games ? I don't expect from a Douchebag to watch Super 8 or to understand Black Swan like I don't want them to take over Mass Effect. It's exactly the kind of ****s who spitted on Star Trek and now they want a part of the priiiiiiiiize... <_<

Seriously? Being both a Gears fan and a Mass Effect fan, I am offended. The Gears of War community is not filled with douchebags, and the Gears of War forumers are some of the nicest people around. Maybe you have had a bad experience with Gears of War while playing online, but please don't stereotype the fans by calling them douchebags. Gears of War will be amazing by it's own right, and so is Mass Effect. Mass Effect has much more tactical combat with Biotics, Tech Powers, and Ammo Powers, and that will never change. The shooting combat may become more Gears-like, but Mass Effect will always feel like Mass Effect.

 

[AtreiyaN7]

And what's new about this? They've called ME2 GoW-like before. It's not as if there has been some gigantic overhaul that makes ME3 1,000,000 times more like GoW than ME2 was - if you buy into the GoW description of ME2 that is. *snort*

[Lucifer_Cheney]

You speak truth Dragon. I myself am a story first gamer and will sacrifice my overall enjoyment of a game for the sake of a interesting tale. I also agree with you about KotOR.

[Haristo]

Dragon XIX wrote...

Haristo wrote...
Douchebags got their Shooter crap, can we have our intelligent good games ?

Mass Effect is a great game, one of my favs, but it is far from intelligent.

Yes it is... even if it haves a shooter gameplay, it haves a great story, a great and intelligent Expanded Universe (Codex, background including comic books, original story telling). The gameplay uses strategy and tactic in order to achieve something.

we're far from the Brainless ''USA is Dominate'', uninterresting flat story Call of Piece of ****. Duke Nukem's One liners and jokes are all about laughting of those jackasses idiots and if you want some more recent stuff laughting at Douchebags games(because DN Forever is obviously a never released old game HD remake), look at Duty Calls, promoting BulletStorm (even if Bulletstorm is another brainless shooter, it was assumed and Epic Games laughted this fact).

[FluffyScarf]

Frankly, most of the elitist, 'douchebag' crap comes from the argh-pee-gee community. Reminds me of people in restaurants who moan if their not being served promptly or if they get the wrong species of olive in their drink.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 19 juin 2011 - 05:24 .

[goofyomnivore]

MisterMist wrote...

strive wrote...

Dragon Age 2 had so many red flags, I don't know why people expected it to be an amazing game. I thought it could be a good game, but amazing no way. They were changing too many things in a short time frame. Mass Effect 3 may be "expanding" the audience, but it doesn't have the baggage Dragon Age had/still has to overcome to get there.

People expected it to be amazing because Bioware made it, and I don't mind them expanding the audience as long they don't leave ME1 and 2 fans behind like DA 2 did.

True BioWare makes quality games, but if you just blocked out their name, and looked at the details/facts. It didn't at all look realistic what they were selling to their fans. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, by preordering anyways despite my fears, and I regret it. The game was good, but not worth a preorder/full price. At least to my wallet/standards.

I don't think the change from Mass Effect 2->3 will be as drastic as 1->2. So I'm not really about being left behind. There might be some changes I don't like, but the franchise isn't rebooting like Dragon Age was.

[Haristo]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Frankly, most of the elitist, 'douchebag' crap comes from the argh-pee-gee community. Reminds me of people in restaurants who moan if their not being served promptly or if they get the wrong species of olive in their drink.

IMHO the problem is this type of morons we're those who insulted the geed and underground community something like 6 or 7 years ago : ''Derp Derp u fkin no lif''... now they just comes out of nowhere taking the stuff we built together.

just look at all this 4chan stuff overused and poorly used outside of the internet community ! Yesterday I saw a guy wearing a T-shirt with the Anonymous logo... He's not one of those who pirated the PSN, Obviously, he's just anotehr moron who wants to chill...

what do you think Ray Muzyka involves when he talks about ''Core fans'' and ''new fans'' ? Certainly not ''older nerds'' and ''Young nerds''. a 12 year old who dislikes those boring COD and stuff could found ME1 at gamestop, could come here, learn about story telling and all that stuff, likes and feel something for these actual games. I'll consider him as a ''core fan''. However, Mr Trolly Mc.Troll 32 years old, Shooter ''hardcore (lol)'' game could find ME2 thinking it's just another brainless shoot'em'up, come here and say ''HEY ! dis suk ! wii nids moar bewbs an les statz bcauz is borin ! moar shot !'' that's a new fan.

[MisterMist]

strive wrote...

MisterMist wrote...

strive wrote...

Dragon Age 2 had so many red flags, I don't know why people expected it to be an amazing game. I thought it could be a good game, but amazing no way. They were changing too many things in a short time frame. Mass Effect 3 may be "expanding" the audience, but it doesn't have the baggage Dragon Age had/still has to overcome to get there.

People expected it to be amazing because Bioware made it, and I don't mind them expanding the audience as long they don't leave ME1 and 2 fans behind like DA 2 did.

True BioWare makes quality games, but if you just blocked out their name, and looked at the details/facts. It didn't at all look realistic what they were selling to their fans. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, by preordering anyways despite my fears, and I regret it. The game was good, but not worth a preorder/full price. At least to my wallet/standards.

I don't think the change from Mass Effect 2->3 will be as drastic as 1->2. So I'm not really about being left behind. There might be some changes I don't like, but the franchise isn't rebooting like Dragon Age was.

I agree, but that's the mindset of most people posting here. I don't exactly believe since I've only ever played a handful of Bioware games, but still.

I really don't think it will be as drastic, but again this just has me a bit worried. I guess I'm exaggerting how bad the comments actually are; the press says whatever they think will make the game sell if they want it to. I just don't want to be disappointed.

Modifié par MisterMist, 19 juin 2011 - 05:36 .

[FlyingWalrus]

Haristo wrote...

 "...the epic sci-fi series' transformation from geeky RPG to hardcore shoot-em-up"

So BioWare tries to attract Douchebags in their ranks or the journalist is just being a moron ?

I'd say we already have plenty of douchebags here. RPG fans clearly can't be douchebags, least of all grognard exiles from RPGCodex.

[FluffyScarf]

Lower your expectations then. Works for every game. Expected nothing from M1/2. Not disappointed. Expecting nothing from 3 as well.

And don't ever mention RPG Codex again. Worse than 4chan.

Modifié par FluffyScarf, 19 juin 2011 - 05:38 .