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[veryalien]

Flemeth probably lives on despite slaying the dragon. We're assuming that's a form she took and we're assuming she can't go and bodysnatch a chantry mouse after the fight.

[Forumtroll]

How can anyone hate Claudia Black? /fanboy

[soteria]

I let her live just because there was no way I could kill her at that point in the game with the group I had with me. I agreed to her ritual because I figured it was better for him to sleep with her than for one of us to die in the battle.

[666shadowking666]

Im having this quest in my bag rignt now and Ive seen the dragon, which kicked my arse wayyyy over the mountains.



From u that has kicked its ass, what kind of level do you recommend me to have before even trying to deal with it?

Im level 10 right now and haha.. yeah that didn't do anything good for me

[Wolff Laarcen]

Nemesis7884 wrote...
why would you miss the chance to kill a big dragon...mean you only get 3 chances in the whole game, and of it is no "real" fight

This.  There are too few good boss fights in the game to pass any up.

veryalien wrote...
Flemeth probably lives on despite
slaying the dragon. We're assuming that's a form she took and we're
assuming she can't go and bodysnatch a chantry mouse after the
fight.

Actually, it always seemed obvious that the dragon was her 'real' form.  IDK why...

Modifié par Wolff Laarcen, 21 novembre 2009 - 02:08 .

[Garagnoir]

I killed her the first time, but I was disappointed in the loot I got for the fight, so from then on I've decided to just ignore Morrigan's 'special' quest.



Less talkie more get in my tent..e

[droolingtiger]

Garagnoir wrote...

I killed her the first time, but I was disappointed in the loot I got for the fight, so from then on I've decided to just ignore Morrigan's 'special' quest.

Less talkie more get in my tent..e

LOL

@666shadowking666 First time I fought her I was between 10-11 or so I think.  2 of my characters ended up dying so I switched to controlling Wynne and kept my tank healed and it was pretty easy from there.  However, I was on *cough* Casual mode so......

The difficulties on the 360 are odd....Casual = Normal, Normal = Hard etc....can be a huge pain in the (_)_).

[GenghisKong]

Spyndel wrote...

I killed her because I hate Captain Janeway and Voyager sucked.

Species 8472 my arse!

LoL. Right on!!! Can't stand that b**ch!

Modifié par GenghisKong, 22 novembre 2009 - 10:50 .

[GenghisKong]

666shadowking666 wrote...

Im having this quest in my bag rignt now and Ive seen the dragon, which kicked my arse wayyyy over the mountains.

From u that has kicked its ass, what kind of level do you recommend me to have before even trying to deal with it?
Im level 10 right now and haha.. yeah that didn't do anything good for me

I did it when I was 13 level. I won...nay survived by pure desperation. My party was Liania (range), Wynn, Alistar, Me (warrior tank). The firsts to fall were my tanks, then Liannia. Wynn ended up killing Flemeth on her last mana reserve with an Arcane bolt, and if she took even a soft breeze the game would have ended. I think if I were to reload the game, I would not have fared as well.

[Hyytaja]

I never even had a quest to kill Flemeth?

[soteria]

You have to find a certain item in the Circle Tower and give it to Morrigan. I suspect that if Morrigan really doesn't like you you wouldn't get the quest, but I don't know.

[MICHELLE7]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

veryalien wrote...
Flemeth probably lives on despite
slaying the dragon. We're assuming that's a form she took and we're
assuming she can't go and bodysnatch a chantry mouse after the
fight.

Actually, it always seemed obvious that the dragon was her 'real' form.  IDK why...

My thinking is that Morrigan's true form may be that of a dragon as well and that a child with a new Grey Warden produces a new Archdemon/Dragon. Flemith supposidly possesses her daughters...sounds like to me the same thing when Morrigan says that the archdemon will enter the child once the dragon is killed and the child will be changed. The Archdemon becomes the child just like Flemith becomes her daughter.

I think the whole thing may have been a set up from the beginning. The archdemon gets old and starts a blight knowing that the Grey Wardens will come out to slay it. Morrigan needs a new Grey Warden to conceive a child with to continue the archdemon's life...so this has to be arranged.

No one really knows why Loghain turned against the King(at least I didn't see one). They seemed to argue but most people said that Loghain was a good guy and that he wouldn't do such a thing, but what if he was influenced by a certain so called witch of the wild(or something to that extent). So that leaves two new Grey Warden's in the area after the betrayal to slay the archdemon...two Grey Wardens that will need the ritual to survive.

So essentially your survival ensures the survival of the archdemon. The old one is killed and the new one is conceived. Just speculation on my part but that's where my head is right now.It may change when I play through this a few more times and get the bigger picture.

[asaiasai]

Having played through the first time and being a good person trying to provide Morrigan a safe harbor i killed Flemeth the first time. That being said since i know how Morrigan repays the kindnesses offered to her Flemeth lives and i have no qualms about lying to Morrigan that Flemeth is dead, ha jokes on you ****. As a mater of fact since i know that you can no longer rely on Morrigan in the end she just stays in camp i do not use her at all, i prefer to use Wynne as the healer so i get to do DPS which is more fun anyway.



Asai

[Atmosfear3]

Does Flemeth drop anything after you've killed her?

[Tamyn]

I didn't kill Flemeth in my first game. I read on here that someone's epilogue had Flemeth finding Morrigan again if you don't kill Flemeth but that didn't happen in my epilogue.

[Lotion Soronarr]

So..stil lhaven't completed the game, but I have to ask.



IF you don't do MKorrigans ritual someone WILL die - nothing you can do about it?



If so, that sucks monkey balls. Why the hell would killing an Arcdemon automticly kill whomever slew it? I wasn't aware there were geas spells in DA:O...or insta-kill spells.

[The Dead Milkman]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

I didn't kill her either but she gave me her grimoire and I gave it to Morrigan. She's still in my party thus far. I haven't finished my first play through yet but in the back of my mind(because I heard some of the spoilers) I considered it payback for Morrigan sleeping with Alistair.

How is Wynn an abomination and morrigan doesn't HAVE to sleep with alistair. She never did in my game.

[Beertastic]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

So..stil lhaven't completed the game, but I have to ask.

IF you don't do MKorrigans ritual someone WILL die - nothing you can do about it?

If so, that sucks monkey balls. Why the hell would killing an Arcdemon automticly kill whomever slew it? I wasn't aware there were geas spells in DA:O...or insta-kill spells.

You'll find out why after you have a conversation with Riordan (the elder Grey Warden) near the end of the game.

[Svancara]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

Actually, it always seemed obvious that the dragon was her 'real' form.  IDK why...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

My thinking is that Morrigan's true form may be that of a dragon as well and that a child with a new Grey Warden produces a new Archdemon/Dragon.

This is very much likely to be untrue.

They are both shapeshifters, so they possess the ability to transform into beings such as dragons.
Morrigan herself states that she is human upon a point, she also explains that during a shapeshift she is unable to communicate with the specifies she transformed in.
Furthermore she states that; seeing she is human, she cannot learn the ability to transform into another human, seeing she already belongs to that species and would have nothing to gain from this.
She replies this when asked if she could mimic the appearance of other humans.

This leads to conclude the reproductive system of their shapeshifted form would be pretty useless as well.
The Shapeshifting on itself is merely a camouflage into another species, strictly an exterior transformation.
She would have little reason to lie plus the fact there is absolutely no codex information available on this matter.
Knowing Bioware they would've left a hint or two that this is known magic within the world of Ferelden.
This pretty much rules out the possibility that Morrigan is not human.

As for Flemeth, Morrigan states that she was once human, upon the time that she called upon a demon and that she was turned into an abomination. As far as I know the abomination process does not include turning a human into a dragon.

The child that Morrigan bears is a human child (depending on your Origin), with an uncorrupted essence of an Old God.
Morrigan also tells you, a few times, that some things in this world should be preserved, which is a strong hint towards this.

I don't believe Morrigan or Flemeth would support the further existence of the Darkspawn in terms of a new Archdemon, otherwise Flemeth would have never rescued you.
Flemeth also states that she pretty much only cares for self-preservation (the subplot of the daughter-possession thing aside), which is one of the reasons she sents out Morrigan with you to help the Grey Warden.

Modifié par Svancara, 23 novembre 2009 - 02:16 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Beertastic wrote...
You'll find out why after you have a conversation with Riordan (the elder Grey Warden) near the end of the game.

So that's a confirmation? Regardless of how well you play someone MUST die for some porly contrieved reason?
MEh, I doubt I'm gonan like the explanation.

[Ardept]

i didn't kill her and tried the 'ho ho surprise Morrigan guess who is here' when i took her back later to the zone, but alas flemeth was no where to be seen, very disapointing as i was hoping to see the poo hit the fan so to spk. Once i realised this i went back and killed her for the xp, so at least her death had meaning, well for the 4 of us that went

[DarthRic]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Beertastic wrote...
You'll find out why after you have a conversation with Riordan (the elder Grey Warden) near the end of the game.

So that's a confirmation? Regardless of how well you play someone MUST die for some porly contrieved reason?
MEh, I doubt I'm gonan like the explanation.

Its a dark fantasy game for a reason

[MICHELLE7]

Svancara wrote...

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

Actually, it always seemed obvious that the dragon was her 'real' form.  IDK why...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

My thinking is that Morrigan's true form may be that of a dragon as well and that a child with a new Grey Warden produces a new Archdemon/Dragon.

This is very much likely to be untrue.

They are both shapeshifters, so they possess the ability to transform into beings such as dragons.
Morrigan herself states that she is human upon a point, she also explains that during a shapeshift she is unable to communicate with the specifies she transformed in.
Furthermore she states that; seeing she is human, she cannot learn the ability to transform into another human, seeing she already belongs to that species and would have nothing to gain from this.
She replies this when asked if she could mimic the appearance of other humans.

This leads to conclude the reproductive system of their shapeshifted form would be pretty useless as well.
The Shapeshifting on itself is merely a camouflage into another species, strictly an exterior transformation.
She would have little reason to lie plus the fact there is absolutely no codex information available on this matter.
Knowing Bioware they would've left a hint or two that this is known magic within the world of Ferelden.
This pretty much rules out the possibility that Morrigan is not human.

As for Flemeth, Morrigan states that she was once human, upon the time that she called upon a demon and that she was turned into an abomination. As far as I know the abomination process does not include turning a human into a dragon.

The child that Morrigan bears is a human child (depending on your Origin), with an uncorrupted essence of an Old God.
Morrigan also tells you, a few times, that some things in this world should be preserved, which is a strong hint towards this.

I don't believe Morrigan or Flemeth would support the further existence of the Darkspawn in terms of a new Archdemon, otherwise Flemeth would have never rescued you.
Flemeth also states that she pretty much only cares for self-preservation (the subplot of the daughter-possession thing aside), which is one of the reasons she sents out Morrigan with you to help the Grey Warden.

Your assuming Morrigan is telling the truth...I'm assuming that she is out and out lying or she is telling only half-truths.

[KilrB]

Svancara wrote...

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

Actually, it always seemed obvious that the dragon was her 'real' form.  IDK why...

MICHELLE7 wrote...

My thinking is that Morrigan's true form may be that of a dragon as well and that a child with a new Grey Warden produces a new Archdemon/Dragon.

This is very much likely to be untrue.

They are both shapeshifters, so they possess the ability to transform into beings such as dragons.
Morrigan herself states that she is human upon a point, she also explains that during a shapeshift she is unable to communicate with the specifies she transformed in.
Furthermore she states that; seeing she is human, she cannot learn the ability to transform into another human, seeing she already belongs to that species and would have nothing to gain from this.
She replies this when asked if she could mimic the appearance of other humans.

This leads to conclude the reproductive system of their shapeshifted form would be pretty useless as well.
The Shapeshifting on itself is merely a camouflage into another species, strictly an exterior transformation.
She would have little reason to lie plus the fact there is absolutely no codex information available on this matter.
Knowing Bioware they would've left a hint or two that this is known magic within the world of Ferelden.
This pretty much rules out the possibility that Morrigan is not human.

As for Flemeth, Morrigan states that she was once human, upon the time that she called upon a demon and that she was turned into an abomination. As far as I know the abomination process does not include turning a human into a dragon.

The child that Morrigan bears is a human child (depending on your Origin), with an uncorrupted essence of an Old God.
Morrigan also tells you, a few times, that some things in this world should be preserved, which is a strong hint towards this.

I don't believe Morrigan or Flemeth would support the further existence of the Darkspawn in terms of a new Archdemon, otherwise Flemeth would have never rescued you.
Flemeth also states that she pretty much only cares for self-preservation (the subplot of the daughter-possession thing aside), which is one of the reasons she sents out Morrigan with you to help the Grey Warden.

You are assuming that both Flemeth and Morrigan are telling you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

This is not a good assumption ...

[lasmori]

Svancara wrote...

I don't believe Morrigan or Flemeth would support the further existence of the Darkspawn in terms of a new Archdemon, otherwise Flemeth would have never rescued you.
Flemeth also states that she pretty much only cares for self-preservation (the subplot of the daughter-possession thing aside), which is one of the reasons she sents out Morrigan with you to help the Grey Warden.

Yeah I agree.

Following the dialog with Morrigan, Flemeth stays alive by taking over her 'daughters' as hosts. Morrigan also states that Flemeth desires her new host to be as powerful as possible before doing so. Talking with Flemeth after Morrigan asks you to kill her... Flemeth makes a point to state that while Morrigan might know her true intentions, YOU likely don't. (Morrigan has not told you the whole story)

Talking with Morrigan just before she sleeps with you / Allistar... she states that this child was always Flemeth's plan. So I really doubt Flemeth ever intended Morrigan herself to be the next host.

Morrigan likely didn't even know what Flemeth intended to DO with the child, but once she learned of Flemeths ability to take on a new host, she likely realized that Flemeths plan was to use this new child as such.

Morrigan has a lot of reverence for traditional magic, and old powers. Things most modern people don't give a lot of respect to, or activly subjigate. It would mean a lot to her to preserve the uncorrupted essence of an old god... explaining very much why Morrigan wanted Flemeth killed, and why she continued with the ritual of saving the old god even after she sent you to kill Flemeth.

Of course, she could have just wanted to use Flemeth's magic on the child herself... but I'd wager thats part of the mystery .

Modifié par lasmori, 23 novembre 2009 - 03:59 .