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So are my only options for future reproduction going to be human LIs and Liara?  I mean, that would make sense because it shouldn't be possible for Shepard to mate with a species as alien as the Turians to have a child.  But what about the Drell or Quarians?  Would they be close enough to our genetics to reproduce?  If so, would the hybrid children be sterile...like Ligers that are bred for their magical powers?

It just concerns me because my canon Shepard would want kids in the future when this craziness is all over, which means I'd really have to rethink my LIs.  I'm in a triangle with Liara and Tali and if kids becomes an issue, I think that may push my canon Shep towards Liara.

Then again, I have a feeling they'll be more than enough orphans to adopt in the near future of the Mass Effect universe, so that's always an option.

Any ideas on this?  Is there some deeply buried codex entry that mentions anything about what species can interbreed?  I know Turians and Quarians have simililar biology, but not sure on the connections with humans. 

And Thane mentions that his wife had amber eyes (which I haven't seen on a Drell yet) and they had a son.

Modifié par fenix8081, 19 juin 2011 - 04:36 .


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Half the reason my Shep's shacked up with Tali is that he can ride bareback without worrying about knocking her up!

Kidding. Kidding.

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Adoption.

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If you really are dead set on having kids in ME3 (doubt BW will be implementing this but still) then your only choice is to stick with Liara or certain human squadmembers, namely Kaidan/Ashley/Jacob. With all the stuff she's been given I wouldn't be surprised if Jack turns out to be infertile. Same goes for Miranda, it's actually stated in the shadow broker's files.

Of course any other pairing could just adopt a child like you said...

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Yeah. I don't expect it to be addressed in the game at all unless it's in the final cutscenes or text like at the end of DA:O. Just didn't know if there was some codex loophole built in that I missed.

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There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.

1. Adoption. It doesn't even have to be the same species as you or your LI.

2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

In reality though I doubt children will be mentioned at all, and if it is it will be a hint at the end of the game. Bioware writers have already explained their distaste of children in the romantic sense.

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Nashiktal wrote...

There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.

1. Adoption. It doesn't even have to be the same species as you or your LI.

2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

In reality though I doubt children will be mentioned at all, and if it is it will be a hint at the end of the game. Bioware writers have already explained their distaste of children in the romantic sense.


Indeed...i guess that "children plans" in ME could be a cliché...anyway... be father of an asari could be interesting, don´t you think?

Modifié par je.battlemaster, 19 juin 2011 - 04:55 .


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Nashiktal wrote...
There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.
2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

Not quite true.

Alien LIs:
(1) With the exception of the asari, there is no way for Shepard and an alien LI to have biological offspring. Should a miraculous fertilization occur, the fetus would almost certainly be not viable. Genetic incompatibility isn't nearly as easy to overcome by reproductive technology as various types of infertility among human men and women. It should also be noted that the life of such a child, should it nonetheless come to exist, would be extremely problematical, so it is an ethical question whether to create one intentionally.

(2) With the asari, there will be children but the children will not inherit the genes of the non-asari partner, since the non-asari's genes are only used to recombine the asari genes. Also there's no genetic compatibility as well, even should the asari be based on DNA as well. Which means that any genetic traits of the non-asari will not transfer to the asari as a rule.

Human infertile LIs:
(1) If the problem is conceiving a child, but carrying it to term would function, then in-vitro-fertilization is the answer. The child would be genetically normal, i.e. a mix of the mother's and the father's genes.

(2) If carrying a child to term is impossible, but conception isn't, then an artificial womb or a surrogate mother combined with IVF is the answer. The child would also be genetically normal.

(3) If either partner cannot produce gametes, then artificial gametogenesis is the answer. That technology is in the process of being researched today, and given Miranda's existence, it is plausible that it exists in the ME universe. Artificial gametogenesis would also be the solution if the woman can produce gametes (or has produced, since a woman is born with all her eggs), but they have been damaged by an external factor like eezo exposure. The children would also be genetically normal in that they'd have a mix of their parents' genes.

In short, given the general advanced level of biotech we see in the game, it is implausible that anyone - humanor non-human - would be incurably infertile beyond the means of reproductive technology to correct.

As a rule I doubt children will be mentioned anywhere in the game but in the epilogues, and that's as it should be.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 juin 2011 - 05:17 .


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No species can interbreed.
Thank god.

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they're not, hopefully. Adoption is ok, but interbreeding with any species other than Asari (and even then no DNA is transferred) would be really... not right.

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aside from the asari, its impossible for a human and an alien to have a baby lol.

besides, would you really want to bring some sort of freakish half human half turian into the world? imagine giving birth to a baby with a damn exoskeleton

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Ieldra2 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.
2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

Not quite true.

Alien LIs:
(1) With the exception of the asari, there is no way for Shepard and an alien LI to have biological offspring. Should a miraculous fertilization occur, the fetus would almost certainly be not viable. Genetic incompatibility isn't nearly as easy to overcome by reproductive technology as various types of infertility among human men and women. It should also be noted that the life of such a child, should it nonetheless come to exist, would be extremely problematical, so it is an ethical question whether to create one intentionally.

(2) With the asari, there will be children but the children will not inherit the genes of the non-asari partner, since the non-asari's genes are only used to recombine the asari genes. Also there's no genetic compatibility as well, even should the asari be based on DNA as well. Which means that any genetic traits of the non-asari will not transfer to the asari as a rule.

Human infertile LIs:
(1) If the problem is conceiving a child, but carrying it to term would function, then in-vitro-fertilization is the answer. The child would be genetically normal, i.e. a mix of the mother's and the father's genes.

(2) If carrying a child to term is impossible, but conception isn't, then an artificial womb or a surrogate mother combined with IVF is the answer. The child would also be genetically normal.

(3) If either partner cannot produce gametes, then artificial gametogenesis is the answer. That technology is in the process of being researched today, and given Miranda's existence, it is plausible that it exists in the ME universe. Artificial gametogenesis would also be the solution if the woman can produce gametes (or has produced, since a woman is born with all her eggs), but they have been damaged by an external factor like eezo exposure.

In short, given the general advanced level of biotech we see in the game, it is implausible that anyone - humanor non-human - would be incurably infertile beyond the means of reproductive technology to correct.

As a rule I doubt children will be mentioned anywhere in the game but in the epilogues, and that's as it should be.


I think you misunderstood me. Artificial insemination would be from the same species as whoever would carry the child. It is not crossbreeding. I was talking about how lesbian couples have children.

In fact I don't think I ever mentioned cross breeding in any of my points. I think I see where you misconstrued it though.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 19 juin 2011 - 05:19 .


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Or in Thanes case, Already has a kid!

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Good Chaos7 wrote...

Or in Thanes case, Already has a kid!


I would love Thane to do an awkward "So this is my new girlfriend..." moment with Kolyat and Shepard. Image IPB

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Schneidend wrote...

Half the reason my Shep's shacked up with Tali is that he can ride bareback without worrying about knocking her up!

Kidding. Kidding.

Unfortunately he has to worry about killing her every time. Can't win them all.

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Nashiktal wrote...

There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.

1. Adoption. It doesn't even have to be the same species as you or your LI.

2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

In reality though I doubt children will be mentioned at all, and if it is it will be a hint at the end of the game. Bioware writers have already explained their distaste of children in the romantic sense.


The Grey Warden in DA:O can have a child with Morrigan.

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Gill Kaiser wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Half the reason my Shep's shacked up with Tali is that he can ride bareback without worrying about knocking her up!

Kidding. Kidding.

Unfortunately he has to worry about killing her every time. Can't win them all.


lol



In all seriousness, Shep should only be able to have kids if it makes biological sense.

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Seboist wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.

1. Adoption. It doesn't even have to be the same species as you or your LI.

2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

In reality though I doubt children will be mentioned at all, and if it is it will be a hint at the end of the game. Bioware writers have already explained their distaste of children in the romantic sense.


The Grey Warden in DA:O can have a child with Morrigan.


Not because they love each other, though. The child is not made so that they can play house in a few years. Morrigan wants to save the Warden's life, and the Warden, most likely wants to a) get laid, and B) survive. So a baby is made to suck up and contain the Archdemon's soul.

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Seboist wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.

1. Adoption. It doesn't even have to be the same species as you or your LI.

2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

In reality though I doubt children will be mentioned at all, and if it is it will be a hint at the end of the game. Bioware writers have already explained their distaste of children in the romantic sense.


The Grey Warden in DA:O can have a child with Morrigan.


Theres hardly anything romantic about a blood magic fetus absorbing the soul of a corrupt ancient dragon-god.

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Wonder what would happen if both halves of the romance mind-melded with the same Asari? Obviously the parents' genes have been *stated* to have nothing to do with it, but it's more of an emotional thing. Just look at Aethyta; more Krogan than Asari, in behaviour.

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I'd be happy to have a crazy half-breed-hybrid child. Should be a laugh.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Sincerely,
Slurms McKenzie, King of the Jack Appreciation Society

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far as im aware only time kids are mention with LI was shadow broker with Liara. But doubt anything will come of it it be left to the imgantion.

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fenix8081 wrote...

So are my only options for future reproduction going to be human LIs and Liara?  I mean, that would make sense because it shouldn't be possible for Shepard to mate with a species as alien as the Turians to have a child.  But what about the Drell or Quarians?  Would they be close enough to our genetics to reproduce?  If so, would the hybrid children be sterile...like Ligers that are bred for their magical powers?

It just concerns me because my canon Shepard would want kids in the future when this craziness is all over, which means I'd really have to rethink my LIs.  I'm in a triangle with Liara and Tali and if kids becomes an issue, I think that may push my canon Shep towards Liara.

Then again, I have a feeling they'll be more than enough orphans to adopt in the near future of the Mass Effect universe, so that's always an option.

Any ideas on this?  Is there some deeply buried codex entry that mentions anything about what species can interbreed?  I know Turians and Quarians have simililar biology, but not sure on the connections with humans. 

And Thane mentions that his wife had amber eyes (which I haven't seen on a Drell yet) and they had a son.


To be perfectly honest adoption is the best way to go for any of the couples.

There are gonna be A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTT of orphans.

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This is one of those times that math is your friend:

Shepard + Liara = Little blue babies, but they don't have Shepard's DNA
Shepard + Tali = No babies
Shepard + Garrus = No babies (and would he even want them?)
Shepard + Thane = No babies (and he's about to croak)

If you want babies, you should date humans:

Shepard + Ashley = healthy babies
Shepard + Kaidan = healthy babies
Shepard + Jacob = healthy babies
Shepard + Miranda = Fertility issues, but not insurmountable ones
Shepard + Jack = unplanned pregnancies
Shepard + Kelly = healthy babies

Xenophilia is all fine and good if you get your kicks that way, but it comes at a cost. Shepard and Tali will never be able to share a meal, or at least never be able to eat the same food. Same goes for Shepard and Garrus. They can't even share a bottle of wine. Thane's skin will cause Shepard to chafe. Sexing up alien creatures seems to be a lot more trouble than it's worth, for me personally.

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