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[Faerlyte]

Who needs kids? I don't need kids. I like them well enough, but I don't need to have any.

6 billion miracles is enough. Or in the case of the Mass Effect Universe...I don't even want to know - 60 billion?

Not that I'd care if a hybrid baby was somehow made. It might look odd at first, but if it has all the functionality of its parent species then...who cares? I wouldn't want to go to the trouble to force something like that to happen, but if someone else did I'd treat the hybrid like any other person I came across. Not that big of a deal really.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Xeranx wrote...

How would the ability to cross-breed cheapen the story when we already have Shepard being brought back from apparently nothing?

And while we are a it, why not have Shep defeat the Reapers while piloting a WW1 era Sopwith Camel through space, complete with open cockpit?

Because that would be about as believable as Shep somehow having a miracle baby with his alien love interest.
 
Just because Bioware has already  gotten away with stretching the limits of suspension of disbelief with Shep's resurrection, doesn't mean they should also wave the wizard's wand and add in even more far fetched elements to the story. It would be biologically impossible for an unrelated species that evolved on an alien world to reproduce sexually with humans.

[King Zeel]

Yes. a 100 yes's for this topic. Do interspecies romances have any chances of success? No. No. no. no. We all know they make no sense. So will anyone be surprised when a horde of fangirls complain about not having turian looking children? I know I wont be surprised. Frustrated, yes. surprised, no.

[Sister Helen]

Meh. I don't want kids in real life, why would I want them in a game?

[King Zeel]

Same reason people sex aliens. Cause they're sick freaks.

[Turneyvore]

Look, definition of "species" is a set of animals that can produce viable offspring together. Humans are not the same species as turians, drell, quarians or whatever else you decide to stick it in to take it from so no.

If you want kids that won't turn out blue
A human is the only thing to do.

[DoNotIngest]

King Zeel wrote...

Same reason people sex aliens. Cause they're sick freaks.

Join dates are a b!tch, aren't they, Obvious?

[Oblivious]

EJ107 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

There are only three ways you can have kids with an LI.

1. Adoption. It doesn't even have to be the same species as you or your LI.

2. Artificial insemination. It won't have the DNA of the parent not having the child, but it is a way to have a child with the actual birth process.

3. Test tube baby. Same way Miranda was born, in this way it will only have the DNA of the parent.

In reality though I doubt children will be mentioned at all, and if it is it will be a hint at the end of the game. Bioware writers have already explained their distaste of children in the romantic sense.

The Grey Warden in DA:O can have a child with Morrigan.

Theres hardly anything romantic about a blood magic fetus absorbing the soul of a corrupt ancient dragon-god.

What are you talking about? I'm turned on just listening to that

[Oblivious]

DoNotIngest wrote...

lobi wrote...

Give Joker a plastic cup and a magazine. He will father millions.

Magazine? Joker's Extranet search history could fill several encyclopedias, he wouldn't revert to such primitive entertainment as magazines!


In fact, the fruit of Joker's previous labours could have built an army ten times the current population of the Milky Way to fight the Reapers.



Ah, if only...

/win

[Xeranx]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

How would the ability to cross-breed cheapen the story when we already have Shepard being brought back from apparently nothing?

And while we are a it, why not have Shep defeat the Reapers while piloting a WW1 era Sopwith Camel through space, complete with open cockpit?

Because that would be about as believable as Shep somehow having a miracle baby with his alien love interest.
 
Just because Bioware has already  gotten away with stretching the limits of suspension of disbelief with Shep's resurrection, doesn't mean they should also wave the wizard's wand and add in even more far fetched elements to the story. It would be biologically impossible for an unrelated species that evolved on an alien world to reproduce sexually with humans.

We can do that too.  Aren't companions using breath masks on worlds that should really give them issues with doing so?  But apparently they're no worse for wear.  Heck, LOTSB took place on top of a ship out in space and I don't think there was an atmosphere that contained breathable air there.  Liara and any superhero you took with you wore a breath mask and had everything else exposed to space.

And as I've said before, hybridization of species has been in scifi for a long time.  It is a hell of a lot easier to get away with creating a hybrid child than it is to get away with resurrection...well Shepard's level of resurrection.  If Shepard's resurrection was on the level of Robocop (meaning that they got to his brain before synapses failed) it would be one thing.  But this is meat and tubes.  No synapses firing.

Modifié par Xeranx, 20 juin 2011 - 10:57 .

[kaiki01]

fenix8081 wrote...

So are my only options for future reproduction going to be human LIs and Liara?

It just concerns me because my canon Shepard would want kids in the future when this craziness is all over, which means I'd really have to rethink my LIs.

You answered your own question Blue is better, always go with the blue!

[AngelicMachinery]

Xeranx wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I'd rather my "Magic science" stick to ressurection and the like,  not terrorifying babies.

The like is bio-engineered hybrids.  That's been prevalent in scifi for I don't know how long.

Bioengineering does not occur inside the body,  also,  Garrus/Tali's genetic make up is completely incompatabile with a humans.

[Ravenmyste]

you know this would be interesting if they carried on after Shepard's story ending in masseffect 3 wonder if they continue it who story would follow next his /her child;s story?

be interesting to see how would be the mother/father of the child. and its speciesif it did happen.

but my shepard would have a time and half trying to find a male that can live thru the all the problems she would cause  just to get some frikken aliens and agency after her and cant leave her alone  to die of natural causes like old age.

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 20 juin 2011 - 12:35 .

[Robhuzz]

Ravenmyste wrote...

you know this would be interesting if they carried on after Shepard's story ending in masseffect 3 wonder if they continue it who story would follow next his /her child;s story?

be interesting to see how would be the mother/father of the child. and its speciesif it did happen.

but my shepard would have a time and half trying to find a male that can live thru the all the problems she would cause  just to get some frikken aliens and agency after her and cant leave her alone  to die of natural causes like old age.

Impossible. Some people chose not to romance anyone, others romance aliens and thus can't have children. A lot of people don't want children. BioWare doesn't want to create a canon Shepard so there's no possibility of assuring Shepard has a child after ME3. I doubt they'll be pulling another dark ritual, this time with Liara so there's no sure way to leave Shepard with a child after ME3.

[AngelicMachinery]

Robhuzz wrote...
 I doubt they'll be pulling another dark ritual, this time with Liara so there's no sure way to leave Shepard with a child after ME3.

Baby Harbinger...

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL!  FEED ME!

[atheelogos]

fenix8081 wrote...

So are my only options for future reproduction going to be human LIs and Liara?  I mean, that would make sense because it shouldn't be possible for Shepard to mate with a species as alien as the Turians to have a child.  But what about the Drell or Quarians?  Would they be close enough to our genetics to reproduce?  If so, would the hybrid children be sterile...like Ligers that are bred for their magical powers?

It just concerns me because my canon Shepard would want kids in the future when this craziness is all over, which means I'd really have to rethink my LIs.  I'm in a triangle with Liara and Tali and if kids becomes an issue, I think that may push my canon Shep towards Liara.

Then again, I have a feeling they'll be more than enough orphans to adopt in the near future of the Mass Effect universe, so that's always an option.

Any ideas on this?  Is there some deeply buried codex entry that mentions anything about what species can interbreed?  I know Turians and Quarians have simililar biology, but not sure on the connections with humans. 

And Thane mentions that his wife had amber eyes (which I haven't seen on a Drell yet) and they had a son.

"Would they be close enough to our genetics to reproduce? " No

"If so, would the hybrid children be sterile...like Ligers that are bred for their magical powers?" Aliens can't mate with others.

"I think that may push my canon Shep towards Liara." This is something I thought about as well. I know I want my shep to pass on his genes. The problem is Liara is not human and any kids she has wouldn't really be sheps, or at least not in the same way a human child would, so I decided to leave her for Miranda in ME2.... then Bioware pulled that sterility crap and now I don't know what to do... Heres hoping they either fix Miranda, make Kelly a full LI, or allow us to romance Ash even if we didn't romance her in ME1.

Modifié par atheelogos, 20 juin 2011 - 12:44 .

[AngelicMachinery]

atheelogos wrote...
Heres hoping they either fix Miranda, make Kelly a full LI, or allow us to romance Ash even if we didn't romance her in ME1.

Holy crap,  this is like one of the most callous and insulting things I've ever heard.

[Xeranx]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

The like is bio-engineered hybrids.  That's been prevalent in scifi for I don't know how long.

Bioengineering does not occur inside the body,  also,  Garrus/Tali's genetic make up is completely incompatabile with a humans.

I never said it had to.  This is an aside, but Tali's features under the helmet have been shown to be similar to human features.  The only things that would be different outwardly would possibly be the child's feet and hands.  Otherwise everything else is similar to human physiology.

Even then the whole deal with genetic incompatibility doesn't prevent it from happening.  Again, this is science fiction.  It's been done before many times.  To suggest that it's impossible to create a hybrid, but allow a beyond (way, way beyond) Lazerus style resurrection is really silly.  I can't take any justification for being against it seriously due to what has happened already. 

I'm not even clamoring for it to happen.  But I'm not going to support a denial just because people are uncomfortable with it when, probably, some people in this very thread have expressed that things happen in science fiction.

Modifié par Xeranx, 20 juin 2011 - 12:58 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Xeranx wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

The like is bio-engineered hybrids.  That's been prevalent in scifi for I don't know how long.

Bioengineering does not occur inside the body,  also,  Garrus/Tali's genetic make up is completely incompatabile with a humans.

I never said it had to.  This is an aside, but Tali's features under the helmet have been shown to be similar to human features.  The only things that would be different outwardly would possibly be the child's feet and hands.  Otherwise everything else is similar to human physiology.

Even then the whole deal with genetic incompatibility doesn't prevent it from happening.  Again, this is science fiction.  It's been done before many times.  To suggest that it's impossible to create a hybrid, but allow a beyond (way, way beyond) Lazerus style resurrection is really silly.  I can't take any justification for being against it seriously due to what has happened already. 

I'm not even clamoring for it to happen.  As far as I'm concerned they made Tali immature in ME2 when she was shown to behave more maturely in the first game.  But I'm not going to support a denial just because people are uncomfortable with it when, probably, some people in this very thread have expressed that things happen in science fiction.

It's not about looks,  it's about the fact that Tali and Garrus have completely different chemical makes ups when one  compares them to human.  Their bodily fluids can cause anaphallatic shock in humans and humans can cause the same in them.  This doesn't seem the good basis for a baby to me does it? 

[Slurms McKenzie]

@AngelicMachinery

What if they had a test tube baby? So, they wouldn't have to risk this 'anaphallatic shock' by making love?

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Sincerely,
Slurms McKenzie, King of the Jack Appreciation Society

[Xeranx]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

It's not about looks,  it's about the fact that Tali and Garrus have completely different chemical makes ups when one  compares them to human.  Their bodily fluids can cause anaphallatic shock in humans and humans can cause the same in them.  This doesn't seem the good basis for a baby to me does it? 

It's why I called it an aside.  That was in reference to "mutant babies".  I was making the point that if a child were engineered as a product of human/quarian dna that the only outward irregularities would possibly be the hands and feet or could add the ears and eyes as well.  

And you're still on natural pregnancies.  And in any case, the only "proof" we have of anaphylactic shock is in reference to Garrus.  Tali had to take anti-biotics suggesting that any issues that can occur will reside on her side.  Any other "proof" about anything regarding chirality is speculation because as it was suggested (IIRC) in-game no one has ever tried a turian/human or quarian/human pairing.

In any case, bioengineering still isn't limited by differences so far as we can see.  In fact, bioengineering is probably the best way to avoid or do away with any obstacles in a hybrid being possible and viable.

Modifié par Xeranx, 20 juin 2011 - 01:29 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

@AngelicMachinery

What if they had a test tube baby? So, they wouldn't have to risk this 'anaphallatic shock' by making love?

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Sincerely,
Slurms McKenzie, King of the Jack Appreciation Society

You can't mix dextro-protein "DNA" with human dna.  There's no way they can conceivably combine,  I find the idea far more laughable than cybernetic ressurection. 

[Slurms McKenzie]

@AngelicMachinery

Hehe, my biology knowledge is somewhat lacking, I shall take your word for it. You seem to know what you're talking about! I shall stop worrying about the science and return to my guitar.........one of the few things I can do well.......yet, I still passed Biology with a B in my GCSE's.......how messed up is that?

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Sincerely,
Slurms McKenzie, King of the Jack Appreciation Society

[atheelogos]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
Heres hoping they either fix Miranda, make Kelly a full LI, or allow us to romance Ash even if we didn't romance her in ME1.

Holy crap,  this is like one of the most callous and insulting things I've ever heard.

sry bout that. I didn't mean it in an offensive way towards Miranda. I'm just pissed that the writers would do something so stupid.

[atheelogos]

Xeranx wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

The like is bio-engineered hybrids.  That's been prevalent in scifi for I don't know how long.

Bioengineering does not occur inside the body,  also,  Garrus/Tali's genetic make up is completely incompatabile with a humans.

But I'm not going to support a denial just because people are uncomfortable with it

I think most people are uncomfortable with it cuz of the hard science fiction framwork the first game set up. To go that route would seem a betrayal.