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[atheelogos]

Xeranx wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

It's not about looks,  it's about the fact that Tali and Garrus have completely different chemical makes ups when one  compares them to human.  Their bodily fluids can cause anaphallatic shock in humans and humans can cause the same in them.  This doesn't seem the good basis for a baby to me does it? 

I was making the point that if a child were engineered as a product of human/quarian dna that the only outward irregularities would possibly be the hands and feet or could add the ears and eyes as well.  

And you're still on natural pregnancies.  And in any case, the only "proof" we have of anaphylactic shock is in reference to Garrus.  Tali had to take anti-biotics suggesting that any issues that can occur will reside on her side.  Any other "proof" about anything regarding chirality is speculation because as it was suggested (IIRC) in-game no one has ever tried a turian/human or quarian/human pairing.

In any case, bioengineering still isn't limited by differences so far as we can see.  In fact, bioengineering is probably the best way to avoid or do away with any obstacles in a hybrid being possible and viable.

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I was making the point that if a child were engineered as a product
of human/quarian dna that the only outward irregularities would possibly
be the hands and feet or could add the ears and eyes as well. " You know quarians have scales right?...

also why the hell would anyone want a hybrid...

[atheelogos]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

@AngelicMachinery

What if they had a test tube baby? So, they wouldn't have to risk this 'anaphallatic shock' by making love?

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Sincerely,
Slurms McKenzie, King of the Jack Appreciation Society

 I find the idea far more laughable than cybernetic ressurection. 

Agreed.

[Xeranx]

atheelogos wrote...
I think most people are uncomfortable with it cuz of the hard science fiction framwork the first game set up. To go that route would seem a betrayal.

I think the "hard science" framework was disrupted by Shepard being brought back to laugh exactly as they were from "meat and tubes".  Quoting my Red Cross CPR book, when breathing stops:

• 4-6 minutes: Brain damage possible
• 6-10 minutes: Brain damage likely
• Over 10 minutes: Irreversible brain damage certain

So even according to the fiction part of the framework, it fails.  

atheelogos wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I was making the point that if a child were engineered as a product of human/quarian dna that the only outward irregularities would possibly be the hands and feet or could add the ears and eyes as well.  

 You know quarians have scales right?...

also why the hell would anyone want a hybrid...

And what does it matter if quarians have scales.  I don't remember coming across that, but I'm not going to say it's not there.  As for why anyone would want a hybrid, who knows?  Probably for the same reasons any person from an ethnic background would want a child with someone from another ethnic background.

[Thargorichiban]

I thought Shepard already had an adopted kid?

His name is Grunt and he watches questionably educational videos on the net.

Should have really installed a V-chip on the Normandy...

[AngelicMachinery]

Thargorichiban wrote...

I thought Shepard already had an adopted kid?

His name is Grunt and he watches questionably educational videos on the net.

Should have really installed a V-chip on the Normandy...

Yes!  Grunt will always be mah baby!

[atheelogos]

Xeranx wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
I think most people are uncomfortable with it cuz of the hard science fiction framwork the first game set up. To go that route would seem a betrayal.

I think the "hard science" framework was disrupted by Shepard being brought back to laugh exactly as they were from "meat and tubes".  Quoting my Red Cross CPR book, when breathing stops:

• 4-6 minutes: Brain damage possible
• 6-10 minutes: Brain damage likely
• Over 10 minutes: Irreversible brain damage certain

So even according to the fiction part of the framework, it fails.  

atheelogos wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I was making the point that if a child were engineered as a product of human/quarian dna that the only outward irregularities would possibly be the hands and feet or could add the ears and eyes as well.  

 You know quarians have scales right?...

also why the hell would anyone want a hybrid...

 Probably for the same reasons any person from an ethnic background would want a child with someone from another ethnic background.

Not sure that logic follows... lol

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I recall reading that some of new husks are hybrids (one is supposed to be a human/batarain hybrid)  that the Reapers use in Mass Effect 3. 

So if they can salvage and reverse-engineered some of the Reaper's tech there could be non-husk hybrids.

[78stonewobble]

Well If they can pretty much create artificial life from scratch whats to prevent them from rewriting a donor shephard sperm cell that is compatible with eg. a quarian egg?

[atheelogos]

Thargorichiban wrote...

I thought Shepard already had an adopted kid?

His name is Grunt and he watches questionably educational videos on the net.

Should have really installed a V-chip on the Normandy...

lol good to see that I'm not the only one who looks at Grunt as a son :happy:

[Nashiktal]

atheelogos wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
Heres hoping they either fix Miranda, make Kelly a full LI, or allow us to romance Ash even if we didn't romance her in ME1.

Holy crap,  this is like one of the most callous and insulting things I've ever heard.

sry bout that. I didn't mean it in an offensive way towards Miranda. I'm just pissed that the writers would do something so stupid.

Why? It actually adds something to Miranda's character that she is sterile. Think about it, she was made to be the perfect woman, she was made by unnatural means, and when she finally earns her freedom from her father and wants to start a normal life... She looks to see if she can have kids, only to find out that due to her genetic tampering she cannot.

Thus she reaches a problem. Miranda would never want to do what her father did and make a test tube baby, yet she cannot have a natural birth. Its deliciously tragic, the greeks would eat this up.

[Nashiktal]

78stonewobble wrote...

Well If they can pretty much create artificial life from scratch whats to prevent them from rewriting a donor shephard sperm cell that is compatible with eg. a quarian egg?

It would probably be illegal.

[78stonewobble]

Nashiktal wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Well If they can pretty much create artificial life from scratch whats to prevent them from rewriting a donor shephard sperm cell that is compatible with eg. a quarian egg?

It would probably be illegal.

Shephard DID spend most of his ME2 time outside of law abiding space.

[AngelicMachinery]

Nashiktal wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Well If they can pretty much create artificial life from scratch whats to prevent them from rewriting a donor shephard sperm cell that is compatible with eg. a quarian egg?

It would probably be illegal.

How do you turn human DNA into dextro-protein DNA?  It destroys mah mindz.

[Xeranx]

atheelogos wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
I think most people are uncomfortable with it cuz of the hard science fiction framwork the first game set up. To go that route would seem a betrayal.

I think the "hard science" framework was disrupted by Shepard being brought back to laugh exactly as they were from "meat and tubes".  Quoting my Red Cross CPR book, when breathing stops:

• 4-6 minutes: Brain damage possible
• 6-10 minutes: Brain damage likely
• Over 10 minutes: Irreversible brain damage certain

So even according to the fiction part of the framework, it fails.  

atheelogos wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I was making the point that if a child were engineered as a product of human/quarian dna that the only outward irregularities would possibly be the hands and feet or could add the ears and eyes as well.  

 You know quarians have scales right?...

also why the hell would anyone want a hybrid...

 Probably for the same reasons any person from an ethnic background would want a child with someone from another ethnic background.

Not sure that logic follows... lol

That two people would think that their expression of love for each other could be represented in the form of a child that has their features without the idea that they're trying to justify it?  Yes I'm romanticizing it a bit, but people do think that way.

We already heard from Miranda that her father wanted a dynasty and that he tried more than once to achieve what he was able to with Miranda.  And even then that she wasn't the last.

Modifié par Xeranx, 20 juin 2011 - 03:36 .

[jamesp81]

Xeranx wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

How would the ability to cross-breed cheapen the story when we already have Shepard being brought back from apparently nothing?

And while we are a it, why not have Shep defeat the Reapers while piloting a WW1 era Sopwith Camel through space, complete with open cockpit?

Because that would be about as believable as Shep somehow having a miracle baby with his alien love interest.
 
Just because Bioware has already  gotten away with stretching the limits of suspension of disbelief with Shep's resurrection, doesn't mean they should also wave the wizard's wand and add in even more far fetched elements to the story. It would be biologically impossible for an unrelated species that evolved on an alien world to reproduce sexually with humans.

We can do that too.  Aren't companions using breath masks on worlds that should really give them issues with doing so?  But apparently they're no worse for wear.  Heck, LOTSB took place on top of a ship out in space and I don't think there was an atmosphere that contained breathable air there.  Liara and any superhero you took with you wore a breath mask and had everything else exposed to space.

And as I've said before, hybridization of species has been in scifi for a long time.  It is a hell of a lot easier to get away with creating a hybrid child than it is to get away with resurrection...well Shepard's level of resurrection.  If Shepard's resurrection was on the level of Robocop (meaning that they got to his brain before synapses failed) it would be one thing.  But this is meat and tubes.  No synapses firing.

The Shadow Broker ship was inside an electrical storm....which doesn't occur in space.  The ship flies in Hagalaz's atmosphere, which is of a breathable mixture.  The headgear in that mission was really there just for comfort's sake.  Can you imagine fighting in an 80 mph constant wind storm without a helmet?

[jamesp81]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Well If they can pretty much create artificial life from scratch whats to prevent them from rewriting a donor shephard sperm cell that is compatible with eg. a quarian egg?

It would probably be illegal.

How do you turn human DNA into dextro-protein DNA?  It destroys mah mindz.

It wouldn't be enough to reverse human DNA chirality.  Quarians almost certainly have a different number of chromosomes, and a certain sequence that might express itself as red hair in humans might be a fatal genetic disease in Quarians.

There's just no way to work it, really.  The only thing you could do is artificially create a strand of Quarian DNA and code it to loosely match some of Shepard's personality and physical traits.  You wouldn't even need a sample of Shepard's DNA to do this, however, and the child wouldn't be his from a biological standpoint any more than an adopted child would.

Just adopt.  There will plenty of orphans.

[78stonewobble]

jamesp81 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Well If they can pretty much create artificial life from scratch whats to prevent them from rewriting a donor shephard sperm cell that is compatible with eg. a quarian egg?

It would probably be illegal.

How do you turn human DNA into dextro-protein DNA?  It destroys mah mindz.

It wouldn't be enough to reverse human DNA chirality.  Quarians almost certainly have a different number of chromosomes, and a certain sequence that might express itself as red hair in humans might be a fatal genetic disease in Quarians.

There's just no way to work it, really.  The only thing you could do is artificially create a strand of Quarian DNA and code it to loosely match some of Shepard's personality and physical traits.  You wouldn't even need a sample of Shepard's DNA to do this, however, and the child wouldn't be his from a biological standpoint any more than an adopted child would.

Just adopt.  There will plenty of orphans.

Silly...

You just use a human / quarian DNA translator offcourse...

EDIT: IT's just a poke at the endless possibilities of sci fi techno babble.

It's quite possible to fight in 80 mph winds. Ww1 fighter pilots did use goggles though.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 20 juin 2011 - 04:34 .

[AngelicMachinery]

78stonewobble wrote...


Silly...

You just use a human / quarian DNA translator offcourse...

It's time for this weeks Invention Exchange Joel and boy do I have a doozy for you.

[CroGamer002]

Bobad wrote...

Adoption.

/thread


And same for Miranda.
Maybe Jack too.

[lovgreno]

No human/alien hybrids please... This is (well it should be in my humble opinion) science fiction that at least tries to take science, or at least pseudo science, somewhat seriously. Leave the fantasy in space to Star Wars please.

[atheelogos]

Nashiktal wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

atheelogos wrote...
Heres hoping they either fix Miranda, make Kelly a full LI, or allow us to romance Ash even if we didn't romance her in ME1.

Holy crap,  this is like one of the most callous and insulting things I've ever heard.

sry bout that. I didn't mean it in an offensive way towards Miranda. I'm just pissed that the writers would do something so stupid.

Why? It actually adds something to Miranda's character that she is sterile. Think about it, she was made to be the perfect woman, she was made by unnatural means, and when she finally earns her freedom from her father and wants to start a normal life... She looks to see if she can have kids, only to find out that due to her genetic tampering she cannot.

Thus she reaches a problem. Miranda would never want to do what her father did and make a test tube baby, yet she cannot have a natural birth. Its deliciously tragic, the greeks would eat this up.

I see what your saying, but I don't like it cause the science is off.... way off

[atheelogos]

lovgreno wrote...

No human/alien hybrids please... This is (well it should be in my humble opinion) science fiction that at least tries to take science, or at least pseudo science, somewhat seriously. Leave the fantasy in space to Star Wars please.

Yeah this is pretty much how I feel about it.

[KainrycKarr]

Mesina2 wrote...

Bobad wrote...

Adoption.

/thread


And same for Miranda.
Maybe Jack too.

[Raiil]

I don't particularly care about human/alien hybrids; I don't know if my Shepard's ovaries are even functional and in any case, kids were not something she ever considered.

I could see the potential of it, but we would need a lot more data on the genetic makeup of all the other races to see if it's possible. It's hard to say what is a human-only trait, and what is an alien-only trait, and what is an alien trait that could be something a human could potentially have, i.e. denser muscle tissue being a viable option for humans (or at least something we could evolve to) or the double eyelids (I believe humans have the vestiges of a second set of eyelids), head tentacles or blue skin, etc.

[wilhelm Screamer]

Why do people want children? They are bundles of unrelenting pain and suffering!