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[Aedan_Cousland]

Xeranx wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

How would the ability to cross-breed cheapen the story when we already have Shepard being brought back from apparently nothing?

And while we are a it, why not have Shep defeat the Reapers while piloting a WW1 era Sopwith Camel through space, complete with open cockpit?

Because that would be about as believable as Shep somehow having a miracle baby with his alien love interest.
 
Just because Bioware has already  gotten away with stretching the limits of suspension of disbelief with Shep's resurrection, doesn't mean they should also wave the wizard's wand and add in even more far fetched elements to the story. It would be biologically impossible for an unrelated species that evolved on an alien world to reproduce sexually with humans.

We can do that too.  Aren't companions using breath masks on worlds that should really give them issues with doing so?  But apparently they're no worse for wear.  Heck, LOTSB took place on top of a ship out in space and I don't think there was an atmosphere that contained breathable air there.  Liara and any superhero you took with you wore a breath mask and had everything else exposed to space.

And as I've said before, hybridization of species has been in scifi for a long time.  It is a hell of a lot easier to get away with creating a hybrid child than it is to get away with resurrection...well Shepard's level of resurrection.  If Shepard's resurrection was on the level of Robocop (meaning that they got to his brain before synapses failed) it would be one thing.  But this is meat and tubes.  No synapses firing.

Shep would need more than just a 'breath mask' to defeat the Reapers in a Sopwith Camel. It is a WW1 era biplane.

But that would still be more believable than Shep having a baby with his alien LI by any natural means. Sure, Bioware could write an alien baby into an ending somewhere, and say, "a wizard in a lab coat did it." But should they? If you have issues with the Shep resurrection, why add even more ridiculous elements to the story?

[Badpie]

ReallyRue wrote...

Good Chaos7 wrote...

Or in Thanes case, Already has a kid!

I would love Thane to do an awkward "So this is my new girlfriend..." moment with Kolyat and Shepard.

Hehehehe.

[kaimanaMM]

Badpie wrote...

Win!

I love Kolyat's surly smolder.  SO SURLY!

[Xeranx]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Shep would need more than just a 'breath mask' to defeat the Reapers in a Sopwith Camel. It is a WW1 era biplane.

But that would still be more believable than Shep having a baby with his alien LI by any natural means. Sure, Bioware could write an alien baby into an ending somewhere, and say, "a wizard in a lab coat did it." But should they? If you have issues with the Shep resurrection, why add even more ridiculous elements to the story?

I have more of an issue with people buying Shepard's resurrection and then denying anything else "fantastical" (paraphrasing a posters words) in the story/series.  There have been plenty of people calling up, "It's science fiction" to shore up a shoddy piece of work as the resurrection is --and let's not forget that bringing a person back from pretty much nothing cost, significantly, billions less (8 billion less I think) than the SR1's engine core which I believe was 12 billion credits-- and then at the same time trying to find justification to prevent a hybrid child when it's been done in science fiction, and fantasy over a dozen times. 

I recently came across something that's had me searching for it what it talks about, but I'm having trouble finding it.  I can't say the source is reputable as it's an xbox wiki answer post, but if I can find what it talks about it will put the hybrid child back under pseudo-science and not merely fantasy anymore.  The resurrection will still be silly however.  Here's hoping I never find what I'm looking for. 

[Xeranx]

jamesp81 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

We can do that too.  Aren't companions using breath masks on worlds that should really give them issues with doing so?  But apparently they're no worse for wear.  Heck, LOTSB took place on top of a ship out in space and I don't think there was an atmosphere that contained breathable air there.  Liara and any superhero you took with you wore a breath mask and had everything else exposed to space.

And as I've said before, hybridization of species has been in scifi for a long time.  It is a hell of a lot easier to get away with creating a hybrid child than it is to get away with resurrection...well Shepard's level of resurrection.  If Shepard's resurrection was on the level of Robocop (meaning that they got to his brain before synapses failed) it would be one thing.  But this is meat and tubes.  No synapses firing.

The Shadow Broker ship was inside an electrical storm....which doesn't occur in space.  The ship flies in Hagalaz's atmosphere, which is of a breathable mixture.  The headgear in that mission was really there just for comfort's sake.  Can you imagine fighting in an 80 mph constant wind storm without a helmet?

Fine.  The point is we're still supposed to accept that exposed skin on worlds/areas that would be toxic is fine and a breath mask is acceptable.  If I remember correctly, on one world Grunt talks about something itching or something along those lines.  I'm sure I've had issues with taking Jack on such a world.  Or Samara, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Zaeed, and Kasumi.

Modifié par Xeranx, 20 juin 2011 - 11:41 .

[Dave of Canada]

No children. Ever. Aliens or humans.

[Leonia]

Dave of Canada wrote...

No children. Ever. Aliens or humans.

/support

[Errol Dnamyx]

Indeed...i guess that "children plans" in ME could be a cliché...anyway... be father of an asari could be interesting, don´t you think?

Nope, the child would be 100% asari. You could just as well get a dog or a cat.
If you decide to stay with an alien, Shepards line will end with him/her. It's that simple.

[Cutlass Jack]

Badpie wrote...

Hehehehe.

*awesome image clipped*

I love that.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 juin 2011 - 06:49 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Hehehehe.

*awesome image clipped*

I love that.

And this would be my only reason for romancing Thane.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

If you decide to stay with an alien, Shepards line will end with him/her. It's that simple.

Unless Shepard gets a surrogate/donor.

Genes are overrated. Adopting alien children means the surname Shepard will spread out throughout the various species until all are united under the Shepard mantle and galactic peace is achieved!

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 21 juin 2011 - 07:21 .

[Secret_Writter]

Clonedzero wrote...

aside from the asari, its impossible for a human and an alien to have a baby lol.

besides, would you really want to bring some sort of freakish half human half turian into the world? imagine giving birth to a baby with a damn exoskeleton

In appearance, such a child, whose entire outer 'skin' would have the same protective elements of the 'scales' of a turian, would be rather, in youthful terms, 'cool' looking.

That aside, the genetics would be a mystery and its entire existance would be a sign of cross-species offspring capabilities and a result of such intercourses.

I doubt children will be mentioned either way. Better to leave everything to mystery than shatter, or prove, ones thoeries of cross-breeding.

In any case, i will simply say, its the 22nd century and there is little mention of the scientific advancements humanity and all the known species of the galaxy have made. If anything, there would be hope, but for strange hybrid babies? I prefer not since such children would be... alien in appearance. Even to the aliens and the aliens aliens.

If cross-species breeding is ever thought out or even attempted by authors or viewers, all i can recommend is a procedure in which the fathers reproductive cells will mix with the hosts (mothers) and, no matter what the father species is, the child comes out as the same species as the mother, maintaining some of the fathers traits along the way (Possible height, eye color, etc)

In this way, or at least my provided thoery, the child will live a much more less.... publicly attentive life. Well, considering (s)he's not the first of his/her kind (Cross-species-wise)

Strange 'cross-species children' thoeries aside, i figure adoption would be a somewhat pleasing option. Many orhpans after ME3 after all.

And i dont remember what the point of this was...

[leggywillow]

Dave of Canada wrote...

No children. Ever. Aliens or humans.

This.

Children should remain in the realm of fanfiction.  A passing comment about future kids like Shepard's "little blue children" thing in LotSB wouldn't bother me, but the game certainly doesn't need anything more than that.

[The Baconer]

No children. Ever. Aliens or humans.

[ObserverStatus]

fenix8081 wrote...

So are my only options for future reproduction going to be human LIs and Liara?  I mean, that would make sense because it shouldn't be possible for Shepard to mate with a species as alien as the Turians to have a child.  But what about the Drell or Quarians?  Would they be close enough to our genetics to reproduce?  If so, would the hybrid children be sterile...like Ligers that are bred for their magical powers?

It just concerns me because my canon Shepard would want kids in the future when this craziness is all over, which means I'd really have to rethink my LIs.  I'm in a triangle with Liara and Tali and if kids becomes an issue, I think that may push my canon Shep towards Liara.

Then again, I have a feeling they'll be more than enough orphans to adopt in the near future of the Mass Effect universe, so that's always an option.

Any ideas on this?  Is there some deeply buried codex entry that mentions anything about what species can interbreed?  I know Turians and Quarians have simililar biology, but not sure on the connections with humans. 

And Thane mentions that his wife had amber eyes (which I haven't seen on a Drell yet) and they had a son.

Actually, Turians and Quarians don't have any more in common genetically than Humans and Krogans.  Their DNA only has the same chilarity.  Quarians seem to be closer to humans than almost any other race.  And considering that in the year 2011 scientists can sequence DNA and run organisms on engineered genomes, I wouldn't be surpried if in 2185 they can reverse the chilarity of a genome. A quarian genome probably has more in common with a human genome which has been treated to reverse it's chilarity than a turian genome.

[Warheadz]

Shepard doesn't want kids.

[leggywillow]

Warheadz wrote...

Shepard doesn't want kids.

Does laughing at this gif make me a horrible person?

I think it does.

[AngelicMachinery]

Warheadz wrote...

Shepard doesn't want kids.

That's horrible...

[HiddenKING]

Warheadz wrote...

Shepard doesn't want kids.

That's AWESOME!

[jamesp81]

Xeranx wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

We can do that too.  Aren't companions using breath masks on worlds that should really give them issues with doing so?  But apparently they're no worse for wear.  Heck, LOTSB took place on top of a ship out in space and I don't think there was an atmosphere that contained breathable air there.  Liara and any superhero you took with you wore a breath mask and had everything else exposed to space.

And as I've said before, hybridization of species has been in scifi for a long time.  It is a hell of a lot easier to get away with creating a hybrid child than it is to get away with resurrection...well Shepard's level of resurrection.  If Shepard's resurrection was on the level of Robocop (meaning that they got to his brain before synapses failed) it would be one thing.  But this is meat and tubes.  No synapses firing.

The Shadow Broker ship was inside an electrical storm....which doesn't occur in space.  The ship flies in Hagalaz's atmosphere, which is of a breathable mixture.  The headgear in that mission was really there just for comfort's sake.  Can you imagine fighting in an 80 mph constant wind storm without a helmet?

Fine.  The point is we're still supposed to accept that exposed skin on worlds/areas that would be toxic is fine and a breath mask is acceptable.  If I remember correctly, on one world Grunt talks about something itching or something along those lines.  I'm sure I've had issues with taking Jack on such a world.  Or Samara, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Zaeed, and Kasumi.

Oh, I agree.  The breath mask only thing while on the collector ship didn't make a lot of sense.  It would work on the Shadow Broker ship, but a full helmet would've still been better, just to keep the wind off.

[ladyvader]

leggywillow wrote...



Does laughing at this gif make me a horrible person?

I think it does.

No, because it very funny.  :lol:

[78stonewobble]

leggywillow wrote...

Does laughing at this gif make me a horrible person?

I think it does.

I don't know ... I wanted unsafe playgrounds to sort out the stupid kids and that earned me some wrath....