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[fenix8081]

Full disclosure: my male Shepard was a talimancer before it was even possible.  However, the more and more I think about it, would she even really want a relationship with Shepard?

Her loyalty to the flotilla is paramount to her character.  She's fiercely loyal to her culture, so would she really want to have a relationship with someone outside of her species? Although there's a one-child policy on the flotilla now, the quarians are planning on getting that homeworld soon=need for repopulation along the "go forth and multiply" lines. 

As pointed out in another of my posts, this shouldn't be possible due to humans and quarians seeming to have very different genes.  So would she have even gone for Shepard?  Is it a heat of the moment in a tense situation thing with no lasting power?  Will she ditch Shepard once her people need her?  Is Kal'reeger gonna be the sperm donor if Shep and Tali work?

So was this a feasible relationship, or did Bioware cater to the other Talimancers and I who wanted a relationship with her in the first game?  Not complaining, but is this relationship really feasbile based on Tali's fierce loyalty to her people?

...maybe I should have got her exiled.  Would make more sense in the canon.

[nitrog100]

Well, as Tali put it, "What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets rescued by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy? How could she possibly develop any kind of interest in him?" Shepard not only saved her life three times, but also possibly helped her complete her pilgramage and made her feel comfortable and treated her like any other valued member of his crew. I'd say that it is quite feasible.

[fenix8081]

True, but would it lead to conflict in the future if her people get a home planet?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't really consider myself a Talimancer at all but I don't see why she would have refuse to date somebody outside her species if she liked them. Yeah she was loyal to the Migrant Fleet but I never really saw her as being so zealous in that loyalty to the exclusion of all else such as her personal feelings. I never really got the impression that she also saw it as a personal sacred duty of hers to have a quarian offspring.

[Alienmorph]

This isn't going to end well. The haters live for threads like ties. A pair of hours at we'll have a bunch of idiots screaming "It was just a blatant and creepy fanservice!!!"

Said that, the quarian are 17 milions, so they're a rare species, but they're endangered of extiction only because they live in a migrant fleet of spaceships maded by the junks of the other civilizations, not why there's a too small number of them. If the population decreses too much the Admirals will allow to the normal families to have more than 1 children, as stated in ME1, and there are several quarians that refused to return to the fleet after their pilgrimadge because they've choose a different life, so why Tali in particularry should have doubts that many others didn't have? A few quarians that cannot have childs because their're mated with aliens won't bring the whole species to extiction, and Tali never expressed any particularry interest in having children in future, so don't worry too much about it.

[78stonewobble]

I'm commander shephard and this quarian is my favorite ... uhm ...

Something...

Why wouldn't she be able to have a quarian child even if she was with shephard?

I live in the year 2011 where there are adults around. The story takes place in 218x ...

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 19 juin 2011 - 07:37 .

[shepskisaac]

I don't like Tali as a character, but her romance wasn't anything unbelievable. Not every romance starts right after people meet.

[Siansonea]

I'm not a Tali fan either, and in answer to the OP's question, I would answer "probably", but I would follow that up with "so what?" Even if the Tali romance was added to please the fans, it's not like pleasing the fans is a bad thing. From a character point of view, Tali having a crush on Shepard isn't completely out of the question, she is a young girl after all. And in any case, it's an optional romance, so if people don't want to pursue it, they don't have to.

[arne1234]

The only thing that is weird abouth it, is that she want's to do it flesh to flesh as opposed to using the nerve stim program. Quarians do go down on other species but they generaly keep their suits on. I guess bioware did it this way so it wouldn't look like a sm scene it remains a bid weird but believable none the less.

[TomY90]

Me personally (sorry Tali Fans mean no offence) I feel they did not plan on the relationship at all considering she showed no signs at all during ME1 of any affection to you in any shape or form and even Casey Hudson said (I have seen images of the message off these very forums of Casey saying this) that he felt Tali was not the strongest of all the ME1 characters.

I feel after finding she has a huge fan base and the fans demanding a relationship option with her they reacted to it they tried to back it up with Liara after finding people were not truly convinced by it all.

Garrus in a way I can more understand because he does seem to get more attached to you during ME1 considering he seems to idolise you more than Tali during ME1.

[Spartanburger]

On the topic of the children, yes there will be need to repopulate their homeworld, assuming you can return it to them or if you can get them a different planet. But the Reaper war is going to cause many deaths. There are going to be orphans of all species created from this conflict. I would think that if they loved each other truly, then they would not leave each others side and adopt after the war.

That can also be said for MirandaxShepard too. She may be infertile, but if they truly love each other they will find ways of having children, like adoption. True love is not all in the Sex and the reproduction.

[ArcanistLibram]

They have other options if they want to raise a family. Besides, I like how Mass Effect handles the biologically impossibility of cross-species reproduction.

[Robhuzz]

fenix8081 wrote...

Full disclosure: my male Shepard was a talimancer before it was even possible.  However, the more and more I think about it, would she even really want a relationship with Shepard?

Her loyalty to the flotilla is paramount to her character.  She's fiercely loyal to her culture, so would she really want to have a relationship with someone outside of her species? Although there's a one-child policy on the flotilla now, the quarians are planning on getting that homeworld soon=need for repopulation along the "go forth and multiply" lines. 

As pointed out in another of my posts, this shouldn't be possible due to humans and quarians seeming to have very different genes.  So would she have even gone for Shepard?  Is it a heat of the moment in a tense situation thing with no lasting power?  Will she ditch Shepard once her people need her?  Is Kal'reeger gonna be the sperm donor if Shep and Tali work?

So was this a feasible relationship, or did Bioware cater to the other Talimancers and I who wanted a relationship with her in the first game?  Not complaining, but is this relationship really feasbile based on Tali's fierce loyalty to her people?

...maybe I should have got her exiled.  Would make more sense in the canon.

In my opinion it's some of both. Both Tali and Garrus' romance can be seen as some sort of fanservice. (I never cheat on Liara btw, so it goes without saying I don't romance Tali myself) Alright..about Tali's romance, you've actually got two questions: COULD Tali be attracted to Shepard and SHOULD Tali be (and remain) attracted to Shepard.

She explains herself that she's been fond of Shepard since ME1 but felt it was inapprorpiate at the time so she hid it (Although Liara apparently knew, she tells you after Lotsb). Looking at evolution it's unlikely that Tali could develop a physical attraction for Shepard (unless Quarians and Humans look very much the same) but she could easily have developed an emotional bond with her 'rescuer'.

Wether or not she should stay with Shepard with the fate of her people in mind... They're not the Qunari and therefore don't sacrifice their own well being (debatable but still) in favour of the group. For the Quarians, Tali's life is her own to do with as she pleases, if being with Shepard means she won't contribute to the eventual population increase of the Quarians then so be it. Wether it will work out in the long term due to Tali's immune system, I have my doubts... Other than that, I don't see why it couldn't be a long term romance between the two of them.

[Xeranx]

As I remember them saying, the Tali romance was planned for the first game. In fact there was recorded romance dialogue on the disc. They discontinued it because someone suggested that the playerbase at large wouldn't be interested in her because of "chicken legs" or was it "chicken feet"? That could have been why she became, as many have called her, a Quarian encyclopedia.

I don't think her having a romance with Shepard is unbelievable, I just think the way it was presented and the way it progressed was ridiculous. As much as people try to push the idea that Tali was a child in the first game, she maintained a pretty mature visage and she was in her 20s. Then we get someone who appears to have gone in the reverse of what was initially presented to become more child-like. What happened in ME2 is completely opposite to how it should have been, I feel. Then there's her ineffectiveness in combat in ME2 when I found her quite capable in ME, but that's for another thread.

[Chuvvy]

The Tali romance was fan service, no doubt about that, but just because it's fan service doesn't mean it's not believable. I say this as someone who is lukewarm on Tali.

[Spartanburger]

It should be noted that in a relationship, the only thing that matters is if the two members love each other. If that is the case, may god have mercy on anyone or anything that stands between them. It does not matter about race, culture or even gender. If they love each other, that is that.

[AngelicMachinery]

I think it's moronic, risking death for a physical relationship just hurts my brain...

[Clonedzero]

its pretty unnecessary and illogical when you think of all the issues that go with it.

realistically the relationship would fall apart really quickly. frustrations from the suit, sickness, having to do hours of prepwork to be together, having to schedual those times. it'd be horrible and an unhealthy relationship not just physically, but mentally and emotionally.

they cant even share a meal together.

the whole thing makes no sense.

[Ianamus]

I don't think that it was particuarly unbelievable. In fact, I'd say it was one of the most believable romances, because it seems that she actually developed her attraction to Shepard over time, rather than falling in love with him in the first five minutes.

As for risking death, exposure to a levo-amino acid species should be less dangerous than to another dextro, because they can't catch the actual virus/disease. So Tali is probaby safer doing it with Shepard than one of her own kind. I don't think she could have actually died- maybe have gotten very sick, but not died.

[Clonedzero]

Saphra Deden wrote...


I agree with you the relationship is unlikely to work long term... but you are exaggerating the problems a bit. Tali and Shepard slept together and all she got was a stuffy nose. I think she'll be fine.

As time goes on she should react less to it too.

yeah, the first time. she could get a deadly infection everysingle time. its not a "if you were ok the first time you'll be fine the rest" its "you got lucky this time, next time might kill you"

the humans mouth is filthy, filled with tons of bacteria. shepard eats the wrong thing, gets a piece of food stuck between his teeth that he doesnt notice, thats a nice little colony of potientially deadly bacteria for her.

[Xeranx]

Clonedzero wrote...

its pretty unnecessary and illogical when you think of all the issues that go with it.

realistically the relationship would fall apart really quickly. frustrations from the suit, sickness, having to do hours of prepwork to be together, having to schedual those times. it'd be horrible and an unhealthy relationship not just physically, but mentally and emotionally.

they cant even share a meal together.

the whole thing makes no sense.

There are many relationships,now, in which one person is immobilized or isn't able-bodied yet the relationship flourishes in spite of the hardships.  To say that those hardships would cause the relationship to fall apart or fall apart quickly is wrong.  It's even worse to express that the relationship would be horrible and unhealthy considering the fact that there are people living these kinds of lives already.

In regards to not being able to share a meal, I'm sure there are many people who cook two meals.  I mean people with diabetics in the family do it all the time.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

Clonedzero wrote...

its pretty unnecessary and illogical when you think of all the issues that go with it.

realistically the relationship would fall apart really quickly. frustrations from the suit, sickness, having to do hours of prepwork to be together, having to schedual those times. it'd be horrible and an unhealthy relationship not just physically, but mentally and emotionally.

they cant even share a meal together.

the whole thing makes no sense.

This, I think. It makes sense that Tali could get attracted to Shep, but biologically any kind of long-term sexual relationship doesn't make sense, especially when Tali needs to be in good physical condition to fight and work on the Normandy. And don't even get me started on the implications of the relationship when you take fraternization into account. I think a deep platonic friendship makes a lot more sense as a direction to take this particular story element in.

[AngelicMachinery]

I thought Shepard's um... stuff could cause anaphalatic shock to Tali? This was suggested to femme shep about Garrus it is reasonable that the same result can occur in Tali.