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[S.A.K]

Stanley woo said this and locked down the Team dextro thread,
"this thread has gone way off-topic and is full of spam. 24-hour bans have been handed out as appropriate. not only that, but we've already got Tali and Garrus threads in this forum.

End of line. "
Is this a permenant lock down?

Modifié par S.A.K, 22 juin 2011 - 05:20 .

[S.A.K]

double post!

Modifié par S.A.K, 22 juin 2011 - 05:18 .

[Nashiktal]

Yes its permanent. Also this is off topic, so we better stop talking about it and bring the thread back on track.

[fenix8081]

Wow! I leave my thread alone for a day and see what happens.

It looks like some of the people commenting have abandoned ship, but I concede that fraternization can have negative effects on a military mission. Whether or not this is official military or not, every member of the squad is a fighter and under shepard's command. It's evident that we're not going to negotiate with the reapers, so everyone on shepard's crew will be under his command, making romances a potential disaster.

But that's kind of what I'm hoping. That will create more drama and depth to the story. Bioware already said multiple romances will have consequences, which I'm hoping is more than the vs/liara bickering in me1. Bioware has the opportunity to force Shepard to make some really hard decisions, and I hope that some of them will relate to our carols LIs.

[Yeti13]

hmmm I think it's much more reasonable then Jack's or even Miris, Liaria's I bought, Garrus' was a bit forced but still good, Jacob's... don't want to talk about it, Thane seemed more about filling the void left by Iraikah.

[Nashiktal]

Yeti13 wrote...

hmmm I think it's much more reasonable then Jack's or even Miris, Liaria's I bought, Garrus' was a bit forced but still good, Jacob's... don't want to talk about it, Thane seemed more about filling the void left by Iraikah.

Garrus' romance being forced was one of the themes of said romance. Garrus isn't physcially attracted to femshep, and he isn't attracted to humans. Its an attracted to shep through resptect thing which I suspect has something to do with Turian culture.

[Homebound]

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

[AngelicMachinery]

Hellbound555 wrote...

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

Like I said,  I dislike the romance option because it seems EXTREMELY irresponcible.  It strips poor Tali of all her common sense and makes it seem like Shepard is taking advantage of her.  

Don't get me wrong,  I really like our hippy fetish alien but...  the romance just seems wrong.

[Nashiktal]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

Like I said,  I dislike the romance option because it seems EXTREMELY irresponcible.  It strips poor Tali of all her common sense and makes it seem like Shepard is taking advantage of her.  

Don't get me wrong,  I really like our hippy fetish alien but...  the romance just seems wrong.

I disagree, but I think that track of argument is already well worn.

[Homebound]

Nashiktal wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

Like I said,  I dislike the romance option because it seems EXTREMELY irresponcible.  It strips poor Tali of all her common sense and makes it seem like Shepard is taking advantage of her.  

Don't get me wrong,  I really like our hippy fetish alien but...  the romance just seems wrong.

I disagree, but I think that track of argument is already well worn.

u can romance tali and still not seckz her up u know..only garrus and jack's romance end if u dont do the deed before suicidemission.

[Abispa]

I have no problem with a romance with Tali in THEORY, but the execution was creepy as AngelicMachinery pointed out. Having her be Shepard's personal groupie no matter how badly he treats her in ME 1 robs it of the intended sweetness and "awwww" factor. If she had started ME2 saying "Okay, I'll help you even though you're a total bastard!" and then told renegade Shepard to get bent if he hit on her, then I wouldn't have minded it too much.

Although the fact that they may have "gone all the way" makes me want to face-palm. The only thing that keeps me from being totally disgusted with totally belittling a major part of ME Quarian lore is that it's never been established how far they went. It could have merely been a kiss and some dry humping and groping. ME2 background chatter seemed to indicate that some Quarian suits are rigged for that sort of thing.

Regardless, if YOU enjoyed the romance, good for you. I'm all for every players doing what they want with a game they played $60 for. None of my Shepards romanced her (save one metagame) and are content with being her mom/dad and hope to be able to match her with Kal Reeger in ME3. I'm not sure why so many people seem to take so much petty joy in tweeking Talimancers. I've poked Miranda fans a couple times myself, but I don't spend my life searching out every Miranda thread to start a fight, nor do I continually create threads to start a fire fight.

[LTiberious]

Hellbound555 wrote...

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

I Killed her on every playtrough... I think i expressed myself enough

[78stonewobble]

Hmm well you can interpret Tali's "shepard enthusiasm in 2 ways" ... youthfull idolizing or love.

She's 22-23. Shephards late 20's to maybe 30's.

To me that seems like an semi decent age to try out a somewhat serious relationship. Moving together or something like that. Not necessarily thinking kids (well if it hadn't been an incompatible alien) or marriage. In a way I can hardly take marriages in general seriously before the age of 30 atleast for both parties involved.

Also IMHO any kind of falling in love involves some kind of idolizing, naivity and  letting hormones taking over for rationality and common sense. Basically it's a "drug high" and people have kids, get engaged and get married during that. Huge a** life decisions.


It's a matter of tastes though. IMO Ashley is narrowminded, Liara way more naive and emotional, miranda selfish and with somewhat psychopathical traits and Jacks just whiny and rubs me the wrong way. Especially Jack. I know incest victims, rape victims, scizopreniacs, former drugusers and former gangmembers. None of them behaves as needy / whiney / vengefull / rude as Jack. They've made questionable choices sure but in a somewhat more adult way. Even as semi kids.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 22 juin 2011 - 11:13 .

[Bugsie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

Like I said,  I dislike the romance option because it seems EXTREMELY irresponcible.  It strips poor Tali of all her common sense and makes it seem like Shepard is taking advantage of her.  

Don't get me wrong,  I really like our hippy fetish alien but...  the romance just seems wrong.

As far as responsibility, I can agree up to a point, but I feel like that about all the romances.  What I mean is I can understand from a game mechanics point of view the way the romance scenes were set up to occur just before the SM and logically people say, well this could be the last time we get to ... but from a practical standpoint anything other than a loving hug seems a bit unreal from any of the romances (and particularly the aliens) - to me anyway.  And Miranda's engine room scene... as much as she is one of my faves, that scene bugs the hell out of me.  Man I had to kneel down on a hard metal platform for some work I was doing only last week, you should see the bruises... ouch.

I suspect that if this universe were anything remotely close to hard core sci fi, none of us would be even given the option to romance an alien given the health and social repercussions presented to us.  But the game is a giant space opera, where within the realm of what Bioware has created, we can be, and be with, who ever we want. Hence why I believe that Tali's romance is as believable as any of the others romance.

What I fail to understand is why people get so worked up about how other people play their game and the choices they make in that game.

[DoNotIngest]

LTiberious wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

I Killed her on every playtrough... I think i expressed myself enough

Ah, right. By the way, this have anything to do with you signing up yesterday with no games registered?




/insert "OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS" pic here.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 23 juin 2011 - 01:26 .

[LTiberious]

DoNotIngest wrote...

LTiberious wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

could those who dislike the choice of tali being an li properly express themselves?

I Killed her on every playtrough... I think i expressed myself enough

Ah, right. By the way, this have anything to do with you signing up yesterday with no games registered?




/insert "OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS" pic here.

/insert "OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS" pic here.

Troll.

[LTiberious]

Cos i've been adressed a message in it

[JosephDucreux]

The Tali relationship? Pure fanservice, given how ******-poor the romance was executed.

All you had to do was say "Yeah I'm interested in tappin' dat", and the relationship zipped straight to 'let's have sex!' faster than a USAF Blackhawk trying to evade incoming enemy AA. No progression at all.

[Persona RED]

I really liked the Tali romance, and do think it is feasible. If you think about it, Tali said in the first game that she always wanted to leave the Flotilla and see what it was like outside of it, but quickly found herself missing it. She met Shepard when she was hit with brunt force reality and he comforted her. Not only that, but Quarians are generally mistreated by all the other species except for the occasional Turian. By this, we can see that she met Shepard in a state of weakness, and thus was subjected to a character that defied what'd she had come to expect of the galactic community, and in turn, she grew admiration/respect for him. Through the trials and conflict, she was able to see Shepard at his weakest as well, having lost a squad member on Virmire. She also, alongside the others, was able to grow with Shepard, finding strength and pride in playing a part of defending the Citadel, being the only member of the Quarian race at the forefront of the battle. This combination of self-discovery, affirmation, and care/respect for the person who was willing to take you with them, forms a strong bound. Each of the characters went through this, and it just seems likely that Tali would develop feelings to Shepard. Although, like in the game, those feelings would never surface unless Shepard gave chase, because she had so much respect for him and knew so much about him, that she felt it would be over stepping her boundaries.

[Medhia Nox]

My Shepard isn't at all interested in Tali - and sees her affection as pure infatuation that she is confusing for something akin to "love".

If you notice - her and "Kal'Reegar?" (the guy with the rocket launcher on Haestrom) - meet again on the Flotilla... and have a VERY Aveline/Donnic moment. It's very slight - but I felt that it was there.

So - for my play through, I don't humor what I see as Tali's immature infatuation - I know she'll find her true feelings for Donnic... I mean, Kal Reegar.

[78stonewobble]

JosephDucreux wrote...

The Tali relationship? Pure fanservice, given how ******-poor the romance was executed.

All you had to do was say "Yeah I'm interested in tappin' dat", and the relationship zipped straight to 'let's have sex!' faster than a USAF Blackhawk trying to evade incoming enemy AA. No progression at all.

Though... That's how all the other romances worked too.

And... It's the very best romance in the game. Heck any game in the world sofar.

/sarcasm off.

I, personally and in my own humble and subjective oppinion, do NOT think the romance was bad or poorly executed.

Dang... Every single person past the anal stage should really be able to distinguish between fact and subjective preferences.

EDIT and an addition:

Why on earth do people thing she risks her life majorly by sleeping with Shepard?

She states herself that she doesn't want to die. She researches the subject and finds out that with the proper medication it's possible (pretty much the approach anyone should have to sex  ). They do the act and she has a somewhat mild reaction.

I personally think that she found out it wouldn't kill her (or atleast a low chance of that) but she needed to take the precautions so she didn't become ill for a longer period of time or more severely ill (but not necessarily life threatening).

Besides there was allways the possibility to NOT have sex (not really ingame) but still have an relationship.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 29 juin 2011 - 01:30 .

[Persona RED]

I've always kind of assumed they didn't have sex but.. just kinda.. made out.

I just doesn't seem possible that after she pounced on him, they proceeded to remove her armor, get exposed to ALL those germs, do the dirty deed, get dressed and be like, "Oh yeah, congestion n' such."

Which that raises another question: What if she was so sick, she threw up in her helmet? I mean, there's a few hitches with this.

[78stonewobble]

Persona RED wrote...

I've always kind of assumed they didn't have sex but.. just kinda.. made out.

I just doesn't seem possible that after she pounced on him, they proceeded to remove her armor, get exposed to ALL those germs, do the dirty deed, get dressed and be like, "Oh yeah, congestion n' such."

Which that raises another question: What if she was so sick, she threw up in her helmet? I mean, there's a few hitches with this.

Throwing up in your helmed is an inconvenience to everyone.

I assume she finds a somewhat clean place and have to clean the helmet. Taking it off. Presumably she does not do it next to a coughing up stuff feverish joker.

[cyclospdias]

well if you choose to Shepard can be good and kind with her.If you treat her well( something that most Quarians dont get from others)and repsect her wish to keep her fathers name clean then not only will she be loyal to you but also be emotionaly attracted to you.I d say that an emotional attraction si more thna logical.

Now biologically there might be some trouble.Tali's immune sstem is weak and she could die,but i believe that witht he right preperation and cautiousness there wil only be minor risks,

Besides its not sex that matters.fi they trully love each other they cna be intimate without requiring that kind for contact.i believe that mutual trust,respect and love is enough to keep their relationship running.