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AngelicMachinery wrote...
Eh, I'll just agree to disagree and assume anyone in a relationship with either Garrus or Tali aren't particularly concerned with the possible deaths of said partner. Seems unhealthy to me but I guess "Love" causes people to be... special.
Modifié par Lucifer_Cheney, 20 juin 2011 - 01:58 .
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fenix8081 wrote...
Ah....so would this put Shepard/Tali on similar ground as Morinth?
Modifié par Orion1836, 20 juin 2011 - 08:16 .
what is this? i dont even? are we on youtube comments or something? whats going on?S.A.K wrote...
So it is fan service and maybe its not believable. So what?
Adding Tali romance to ME2 made a lot of people happy(me included) so I don't see whats so bad about it. I myself find Tali romance very acceptable considering what Tali and Shepard went through together and they deserve a future together if they love each other. Also you have a choice,
1)If you like it have fun.
2)If you don't like it don't do it.
I don't see why people get so worked up about this, its just a game! +1 if you agree.
Clonedzero wrote...
are we on youtube comments or something? whats going on?
Orion1836 wrote...
I'm a Talimancer, have been since the first game, and even I'll agree that the ME2 romance was created specifically for the fans. Everything about Tali in ME1 screamed "minor character" compared to the amount of work the developers put into everyone else. Of all the characters, I think she had the smallest dialogue tree, even though it felt longer due to her descriptions of Quarian culture.
My guess is that she became popular for precisely that reason... people wanted more. People love a mystery, especially when it comes packaged like Tali: cute, energetic, snarky, and genuinely nice. What little existed was well executed, from the bouncing idle animation to the witty one-liners, and it doesn't hurt that Liz Sroka's voice acting was phenomenal.
In my opinion, BioWare worked Tali's romance in wonderfully for ME2. Even though I'm sure it was "tacked on" after her unexpected popularity in ME1, it doesn't *feel* tacked on. The writers found ways to retcon her interest by citing her insecurity and disbelief that Shepard would ever see her as anything other than just another Quarian. This actually made the relationship more believable to me, much more so than Liara's from the first game. Whereas Liara wanted to KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU right from the get-go, Tali and Shepard actually had a history by the time their relationship started. It felt... natural, or at least as natural as a video game can get.
That would have been enough right there, but then the writers brilliantly worked more into Liara's dialogue at the end of LotSB. If you stayed single in ME1 and romanced Tali in ME2, Liara comments on how she noticed Tali's interested during the first game. When Shepard asks why Liara never mentioned it before, she half-jokes about not wanting to 'increase the competition,' referring to Ashley and herself. It was only a small bit of dialogue, but a master stroke when it comes to re-framing Tali's character in ME1.
Epic Legion wrote...
Obvious fanservice is obvious.
Mesina2 wrote...
@Epic Legion
Every character with romance is fanservice.
Siansonea II wrote...
So is this a "hate on the Talimance" thread? Because I think we've seen enough of those already. It's an optional romance after all, it's pretty to avoid it if it's not one's cup of tea.
Romance may be fanservice, but let's stop acting like we don't all want some type of fanservice ourselves, shall we? Even if it's "more classic RPG features" or some kind of combat maneuver, I would hope BioWare wants to give its fans what they want, and not just tell an unsatisfying story in order to distance itself from some nebulous idea that "fanservice" is inimical to good storytelling and creative presentation.
DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...
Fanservice = giving the fans what they want.
Making the game good = making the game good.
Making the game good may or may not line up with what the fans want, and should be Bioware's priority here. Otherwise, you end up with Dragon Age 2.
A good product that no one asks for isn't going to sell well, sadly.DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...
Fanservice = giving the fans what they want.
Making the game good = making the game good.
Making the game good may or may not line up with what the fans want, and should be Bioware's priority here. Otherwise, you end up with Dragon Age 2.
DaveExclamationMarkYognaut wrote...
Siansonea II wrote...
So is this a "hate on the Talimance" thread? Because I think we've seen enough of those already. It's an optional romance after all, it's pretty to avoid it if it's not one's cup of tea.
Romance may be fanservice, but let's stop acting like we don't all want some type of fanservice ourselves, shall we? Even if it's "more classic RPG features" or some kind of combat maneuver, I would hope BioWare wants to give its fans what they want, and not just tell an unsatisfying story in order to distance itself from some nebulous idea that "fanservice" is inimical to good storytelling and creative presentation.
Fanservice = giving the fans what they want.
Making the game good = making the game good.
Making the game good may or may not line up with what the fans want, and should be Bioware's priority here. Otherwise, you end up with Dragon Age 2.
78stonewobble wrote...
Orion1836 wrote...
I'm a Talimancer, have been since the first game, and even I'll agree that the ME2 romance was created specifically for the fans. Everything about Tali in ME1 screamed "minor character" compared to the amount of work the developers put into everyone else. Of all the characters, I think she had the smallest dialogue tree, even though it felt longer due to her descriptions of Quarian culture.
My guess is that she became popular for precisely that reason... people wanted more. People love a mystery, especially when it comes packaged like Tali: cute, energetic, snarky, and genuinely nice. What little existed was well executed, from the bouncing idle animation to the witty one-liners, and it doesn't hurt that Liz Sroka's voice acting was phenomenal.
In my opinion, BioWare worked Tali's romance in wonderfully for ME2. Even though I'm sure it was "tacked on" after her unexpected popularity in ME1, it doesn't *feel* tacked on. The writers found ways to retcon her interest by citing her insecurity and disbelief that Shepard would ever see her as anything other than just another Quarian. This actually made the relationship more believable to me, much more so than Liara's from the first game. Whereas Liara wanted to KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU right from the get-go, Tali and Shepard actually had a history by the time their relationship started. It felt... natural, or at least as natural as a video game can get.
That would have been enough right there, but then the writers brilliantly worked more into Liara's dialogue at the end of LotSB. If you stayed single in ME1 and romanced Tali in ME2, Liara comments on how she noticed Tali's interested during the first game. When Shepard asks why Liara never mentioned it before, she half-jokes about not wanting to 'increase the competition,' referring to Ashley and herself. It was only a small bit of dialogue, but a master stroke when it comes to re-framing Tali's character in ME1.
I pretty much agree with all that.
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