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[Chiramu]

The OP seems to be sick in the head if they find your mum being turned into Frakenstein as "funny".

I think the OP needs to see professional help.

[Cutlass Jack]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Oh, come on now. That's rather harsh, isn't it? Leandra's a pretty cool lady. She overhears Isabela brag about the lesbian sex my Hawke has had with her and only laughs about it - my own mother would throw the cat at me in a rage.

Leandra was pretty cool. How could you not love someone who punches Grand Cleric Elthina in the jaw at her baptism?

And found the scene decidely unfunny. It was nicely tragic, even moreso if you were playing Witty Hawke.

[Small_Starbuck]

It was tragic first time but after that I always snicker.
My opinion of mother depends on what character I am playing.
My third character is very resentful and closed towards friends but adores his mother as she is the only family he has left. Hence why it was more emotional when she died. However, in my second game my Hawke found his mother to be a pest and agreed more with Carver. She was demanding and refused to pay Gamlen even rent. Sponger - therefore I chuckled at that time.

[Amfortas]

I can't believe there are people who were able to take that scene seriously. You are right OP, the scene has hilarious. They should have postponed it for the mandatory zombies DLC though.

[Sister Helen]

The OP feels that a real mother wouldn't blame an older sibling for a younger one's screwups.

Let me assure you, as an older sibling, the phrase I most recall my mother saying to me throughout childhood (and for quite a long time after) is, "How could you let your baby brother do (insert stupid or dangerous or ill-advised thing here). You're older; you know better!"

It gets old after the second decade.

[Gamer Ftw]

Chiramu wrote...

The OP seems to be sick in the head if they find your mum being turned into Frakenstein as "funny".

I think the OP needs to see professional help.

I think you do.
The "mom" is fictional.
and if all you have to say involves personal attacks you need to grow up, there are rules on this forum.
Helen, I am the oldest and my brothers get told "Why can't you be more like Connor"?
My mom never blames me for them being daft.
Plus It's not frankenstein,that was the doctor who created it.
 It's frankenstein's monster.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 16 avril 2012 - 08:38 .

[Sister Helen]

My brother got, "Why can't you be more (studious/ hard-working/etc.) like your sister?".

I guess if Carver was hearing that all the time, his resentment of older sibling Hawke is a bit better explained.

[Nerdage]

Not funny so much as confusing.. After the fight, when I should've been thinking about Leandra, I was still wondering what those three desire demons were about. I mean there were more than three women involved in the ritual, weren't there? Why did only the three who's names we happened to know get those demons? And I couldn't help wonder why she still acted like Leandra, did Quentin use Leandra's brain? Does the brain even house consciousness in DA or is that the spirit? Quentin seemed to act like he was finished, so why didn't she have the [consciousness] of whoever he was trying to recreate.

Needless to say this damaged my immersion slightly, but there's a good chance it's my fault for being so pedantic. Either way, can't say I found it funny..

[Cutlass Jack]

Sister Helen wrote...

The OP feels that a real mother wouldn't blame an older sibling for a younger one's screwups.

Let me assure you, as an older sibling, the phrase I most recall my mother saying to me throughout childhood (and for quite a long time after) is, "How could you let your baby brother do (insert stupid or dangerous or ill-advised thing here). You're older; you know better!"

It gets old after the second decade.

As the younger sibling, I frequently witnessed this scenario from the opposite direction.

Its a natural thing for a parent to expect their older sibling to protect the younger one. And people frequently say awkward thing in a highly stressful moment they regret later. I have to wonder how many of those feeling it wasn't natural took the Virmire Survivor's side on Horizon in ME2?

[Gamer Ftw]

and she does nothing but sit there the whole game.
" I will just let everyone risk their lives for the money we need while I mourn the one sibling I can't help"
Come On old Woman, can't you do laundry, sweep floors, have a freaking bake sale?'
cause standing in a corner the whole game isn't earning us money.

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 20 juin 2011 - 02:39 .

[TEWR]

nerdage wrote...

Not funny so much as confusing.. After the fight, when I should've been thinking about Leandra, I was still wondering what those three desire demons were about. I mean there were more than three women involved in the ritual, weren't there? Why did only the three who's names we happened to know get those demons? And I couldn't help wonder why she still acted like Leandra, did Quentin use Leandra's brain? Does the brain even house consciousness in DA or is that the spirit? Quentin seemed to act like he was finished, so why didn't she have the [consciousness] of whoever he was trying to recreate.

Needless to say this damaged my immersion slightly, but there's a good chance it's my fault for being so pedantic. Either way, can't say I found it funny..

Would you really want to fight 28 waves of Desire Demons + Undead Corpses + Demons? Maybe those are the only ones he cast magic on.


And remember, Quentin was insane. He was trying to bring back a spirit that had long since left the world. By using blood magic on Leandra, he kept her spirit housed in her head.


I seem to recall something in the Dragon Age lore talking about this. That a spirit of a person only has a little bit of time before it permanently leaves a body. Wynne was the same way. She died, her spirit was about to leave her body, and the the Spirit of Faith kept it from leaving.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 juin 2011 - 02:40 .

[Herr Uhl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I seem to recall something in the Dragon Age lore talking about this. That a spirit of a person only has a little bit of time before it permanently leaves a body. Wynne was the same way. She died, her spirit was about to leave her body, and the the Spirit of Faith kept it from leaving.

There is no time thing, if the "soul" leaves the body, you can't be revived. That the "souls" are spirits is highly debatable.

There is a difference between mostly dead and dead. Once you are dead, you can't be brought back.

[Gamer Ftw]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I seem to recall something in the Dragon Age lore talking about this. That a spirit of a person only has a little bit of time before it permanently leaves a body. Wynne was the same way. She died, her spirit was about to leave her body, and the the Spirit of Faith kept it from leaving.

There is no time thing, if the "soul" leaves the body, you can't be revived. That the "souls" are spirits is highly debatable.

There is a difference between mostly dead and dead. Once you are dead, you can't be brought back.

Who says you can't?
In many stories the soul hangs around before leaving who is to know what really happens?

[Nerdage]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Would you really want to fight 28 waves of Desire Demons + Undead Corpses + Demons? Maybe those are the only ones he cast magic on.

Taking the named demons out might've been easier. Maybe there's a lore based reason for them, but they seem to raise more questions than they answer, and the quetion they do answer is one I don't think anybody would've known to ask in the first place.

And remember, Quentin was insane. He was trying to bring back a spirit that had long since left the world. By using blood magic on Leandra, he kept her spirit housed in her head.

Why preserve her spirit though? Again, maybe there's a lore reason, but it seems more like a bit of a hand-wave in order to make sure the player gets to talk to her but also make sure she dies.

Modifié par nerdage, 20 juin 2011 - 02:58 .

[Herr Uhl]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I seem to recall something in the Dragon Age lore talking about this. That a spirit of a person only has a little bit of time before it permanently leaves a body. Wynne was the same way. She died, her spirit was about to leave her body, and the the Spirit of Faith kept it from leaving.

There is no time thing, if the "soul" leaves the body, you can't be revived. That the "souls" are spirits is highly debatable.

There is a difference between mostly dead and dead. Once you are dead, you can't be brought back.

Who says you can't?
In many stories the soul hangs around before leaving who is to know what really happens?

The developers when making the setting. It was a way to avoid ressurection, healing is pointless once you're dead.

But it is subject to change, though it was implied that would be a "gamechanger" for the world.

[Rockworm503]

Chiramu wrote...

The OP seems to be sick in the head if they find your mum being turned into Frakenstein as "funny".

I think the OP needs to see professional help.

Ummm I hope you're still aware its a video game.  He's not talking about his real mom but a ficitional characters mom.
I think you're way too invested in this and in fact you are the one who needs help.

Now if you'll excuse me I was just playing GTA IV and need to kill a hooker!

[TEWR]

nerdage wrote...

Taking the named demons out might've been easier. Maybe there's a lore based reason for them, but they seem to raise more questions than they answer, and the quetion they do answer is one I don't think anybody would've known to ask in the first place.

Well, I agree it should've at least been mentioned if only those possessions of the women were the only ones to have demons within them. But I wouldn't want to face an endless onslaught of demons and undead just for it to make sense. People had enough criticisms about the waves already. That would've made things worse.

Why preserve her spirit though? Again, maybe there's a lore reason, but it seems more like a bit of a hand-wave in order to make sure the player gets to talk to her but also make sure she dies.

He probably didn't count on her spirit lingering. He probably just thought by making a lookalike he'd get his wife back in full form. It was blood magic that trapped the spirit, and I'm positive I recall something in the lore (maybe even a dev interview. I don't know) that said a spirit doesn't immediately leave the body when dead.


There have been cases of real world people who have lost their heads and were alive for a few seconds and either moved their mouths or looked around and blinked.


http://www.freerepub...at/703188/posts

[Nerdage]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

He probably didn't count on her spirit lingering. He probably just thought by making a lookalike he'd get his wife back in full form. It was blood magic that trapped the spirit, and I'm positive I recall something in the lore (maybe even a dev interview. I don't know) that said a spirit doesn't immediately leave the body when dead.

Maybe. That's better than any explanation I've come up with so far, anyway.

There have been cases of real world people who have lost their heads and were alive for a few seconds and either moved their mouths or looked around and blinked.

http://www.freerepub...at/703188/posts

But there's no such thing as a spirit in real life, that's just brain activity, it's not really comparable.

[TEWR]

nerdage wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

He probably didn't count on her spirit lingering. He probably just thought by making a lookalike he'd get his wife back in full form. It was blood magic that trapped the spirit, and I'm positive I recall something in the lore (maybe even a dev interview. I don't know) that said a spirit doesn't immediately leave the body when dead.

Maybe. That's better than any explanation I've come up with so far, anyway.

There have been cases of real world people who have lost their heads and were alive for a few seconds and either moved their mouths or looked around and blinked.

http://www.freerepub...at/703188/posts

But there's no such thing as a spirit in real life, that's just brain activity, it's not really comparable.

I'd consider the soul to be the same thing as a spirit. I believe every living creature has a soul. But that's not the issue here.

[JPadinhaT]

Your mother apologizes for what she said to you when your sibling died right away in Act 1. In the death scene I was trying to make it sad, but Leandra was limping in the stupidest way possible....

[Augustei]

Herr Uhl wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I seem to recall something in the Dragon Age lore talking about this. That a spirit of a person only has a little bit of time before it permanently leaves a body. Wynne was the same way. She died, her spirit was about to leave her body, and the the Spirit of Faith kept it from leaving.

There is no time thing, if the "soul" leaves the body, you can't be revived. That the "souls" are spirits is highly debatable.

There is a difference between mostly dead and dead. Once you are dead, you can't be brought back.

Commander Shepard disagrees

[Augustei]

Chiramu wrote...

The OP seems to be sick in the head if they find your mum being turned into Frakenstein as "funny".

I think the OP needs to see professional help.

How dare OP express a different opinion! What the hell is wrong with him thinking he has free speech or something, we should totally put him down for expressing a different opinion and not being way to emotionally invested in the plot

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 20 juin 2011 - 07:46 .

[LobselVith8]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

So that scene where she was flopping around was so hilarious.
I know it was supposed to be tragic but she didn't really strike me as a realistic mother character and I couldn't relate to her.
I disliked her from the moment when your sibling dies and her reaction is to turn on her remaining kid.
No mom I know would do that.
I have know mothers with similar losses and thier reaction was to overprotect the others.
I really wanted to have a option to tell her off at some point.

I didn't find that scene amusing at all, or sad for that matter lol. It was stupid as hell whenever it plays i always think to myself. "Another reason, among many of why DAO's story is far superior to this"

Tbh for me that was the lowest point in the story for me. But yeah i must confess I didn't like Leandras character anyway

I thought it was stupid, too. I saw little point to killing Leandra by another psychotic Starkhaven mage. I think the problem is it presents us with another ridiculous and insipid antagonist in a sea of ludicrious villains. Is everyone in Kirkwall insane? Does every villain Hawke faces need to be an Archdemon short of a Blight?

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

So that scene where she was flopping around was so hilarious.
I know it was supposed to be tragic but she didn't really strike me as a realistic mother character and I couldn't relate to her.
I disliked her from the moment when your sibling dies and her reaction is to turn on her remaining kid.
No mom I know would do that.
I have know mothers with similar losses and thier reaction was to overprotect the others.
I really wanted to have a option to tell her off at some point.

I didn't find that scene amusing at all, or sad for that matter lol. It was stupid as hell whenever it plays i always think to myself. "Another reason, among many of why DAO's story is far superior to this"

Tbh for me that was the lowest point in the story for me. But yeah i must confess I didn't like Leandras character anyway

I thought it was stupid, too. I saw little point to killing Leandra by another psychotic Starkhaven mage. I think the problem is it presents us with another ridiculous and insipid antagonist in a sea of ludicrious villains. Is everyone in Kirkwall insane? Does every villain Hawke faces need to be an Archdemon short of a Blight?

I don't have a problem with Quentin being so wrought with grief that chains begin to wrap around his mind and ensnare it. It's not so much a problem with Quentin and his want to bring his wife back. People will do crazy things in the name of love.

It's more a problem with Hawke's investigation of Quentin, or lack thereof. Had Hawke actually done an investigation, a proper one, the quest might've sat better with people. Had we also maybe found clues about Quentin's life prior to All That Remains in the form of maybe notes or things people say, that might've helped.

Also, was he from Starkhaven? I thought he was from Kirkwall.