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[Aigyl]

I noticed Leandra's zombie dancing in mid-combat, which was... awkward. Silly horrified atmosphere.

I didn't particularly like Leandra (tellling her daughter Bethany that she wished she had died was ), but family's family. All That Remains was one of my favourite parts of the game.

[SavesTheDay]

I didn't think it was funny, it was actually kind of tragic. Although, I thought it was weird that Leandra was still conscious and speaking, because when I first saw her I thought she was dead and it was just her corpse walking around.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

So that scene where she was flopping around was so hilarious.
I know it was supposed to be tragic but she didn't really strike me as a realistic mother character and I couldn't relate to her.
I disliked her from the moment when your sibling dies and her reaction is to turn on her remaining kid.
No mom I know would do that.
I have know mothers with similar losses and thier reaction was to overprotect the others.
I really wanted to have a option to tell her off at some point.

I didn't find that scene amusing at all, or sad for that matter lol. It was stupid as hell whenever it plays i always think to myself. "Another reason, among many of why DAO's story is far superior to this"

Tbh for me that was the lowest point in the story for me. But yeah i must confess I didn't like Leandras character anyway

I thought it was stupid, too. I saw little point to killing Leandra by another psychotic Starkhaven mage. I think the problem is it presents us with another ridiculous and insipid antagonist in a sea of ludicrious villains. Is everyone in Kirkwall insane? Does every villain Hawke faces need to be an Archdemon short of a Blight?

I don't have a problem with Quentin being so wrought with grief that chains begin to wrap around his mind and ensnare it. It's not so much a problem with Quentin and his want to bring his wife back. People will do crazy things in the name of love.

It's more a problem with Hawke's investigation of Quentin, or lack thereof. Had Hawke actually done an investigation, a proper one, the quest might've sat better with people. Had we also maybe found clues about Quentin's life prior to All That Remains in the form of maybe notes or things people say, that might've helped.

Also, was he from Starkhaven? I thought he was from Kirkwall.

Gascard is searching for Quentin in the Starkhaven Circle according to one of his notes, so it seems likely he was from Starkhaven. For me, it's an issue that Quentin is simply one of many insane antagonists in Kirkwall, and I didn't find it necessary to have yet another insane Starkhaven mage.

[TEWR]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

So that scene where she was flopping around was so hilarious.
I know it was supposed to be tragic but she didn't really strike me as a realistic mother character and I couldn't relate to her.
I disliked her from the moment when your sibling dies and her reaction is to turn on her remaining kid.
No mom I know would do that.
I have know mothers with similar losses and thier reaction was to overprotect the others.
I really wanted to have a option to tell her off at some point.

I didn't find that scene amusing at all, or sad for that matter lol. It was stupid as hell whenever it plays i always think to myself. "Another reason, among many of why DAO's story is far superior to this"

Tbh for me that was the lowest point in the story for me. But yeah i must confess I didn't like Leandras character anyway

I thought it was stupid, too. I saw little point to killing Leandra by another psychotic Starkhaven mage. I think the problem is it presents us with another ridiculous and insipid antagonist in a sea of ludicrious villains. Is everyone in Kirkwall insane? Does every villain Hawke faces need to be an Archdemon short of a Blight?

I don't have a problem with Quentin being so wrought with grief that chains begin to wrap around his mind and ensnare it. It's not so much a problem with Quentin and his want to bring his wife back. People will do crazy things in the name of love.

It's more a problem with Hawke's investigation of Quentin, or lack thereof. Had Hawke actually done an investigation, a proper one, the quest might've sat better with people. Had we also maybe found clues about Quentin's life prior to All That Remains in the form of maybe notes or things people say, that might've helped.

Also, was he from Starkhaven? I thought he was from Kirkwall.

Gascard is searching for Quentin in the Starkhaven Circle according to one of his notes, so it seems likely he was from Starkhaven. For me, it's an issue that Quentin is simply one of many insane antagonists in Kirkwall, and I didn't find it necessary to have yet another insane Starkhaven mage.

Ah yes. I forgot about that note.


I wouldn't mind him being an insane mage whose insanity can't be affected, as his situation happened prior to Hawke. 

I agree though that since we see so many insane mages who are insane for no justifiable reason, seeing another one is just...... meh.

He had a good reason to go insane, but with all of the other insane mages his insanity can't be taken seriously.

[TEWR]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Gascard is searching for Quentin in the Starkhaven Circle according to one of his notes, so it seems likely he was from Starkhaven. For me, it's an issue that Quentin is simply one of many insane antagonists in Kirkwall, and I didn't find it necessary to have yet another insane Starkhaven mage.

Ah yes. I forgot about that note.

I wouldn't mind him being an insane mage whose insanity can't be affected, as his situation happened prior to Hawke. 

I agree though that since we see so many insane mages who are insane for no justifiable reason, seeing another one is just...... meh.

He had a good reason to go insane, but with all of the other insane mages his insanity can't be taken seriously.

The sheer number of insane mages is a bit baffling, really. Makes me wonder just what the Circles do to make them so - I start to imagine terrible torture sessions where the mages are tied to uncomfortable chairs and forced to listen an unmusical templar playing "Puff the Magic Dragon" on a recorder for hours and hours and hours.

The fact that the Circle was stationed in a city with an extremely thin Veil didn't help matters, but that was more of an excuse than something that added to DA2.


And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if what you imagined actually happened . Well, without the recorder. They actually sing it out in front of the mage.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 20 juin 2011 - 11:03 .

[FieryDove]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

The sheer number of insane mages is a bit baffling, really. Makes me wonder just what the Circles do to make them so - I start to imagine terrible torture sessions where the mages are tied to uncomfortable chairs and forced to listen an unmusical templar playing "Puff the Magic Dragon" on a recorder for hours and hours and hours.

You are on to something. I think they forced mages to endure 24hrs in the harmony hut.

[Augustei]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Gascard is searching for Quentin in the Starkhaven Circle according to one of his notes, so it seems likely he was from Starkhaven. For me, it's an issue that Quentin is simply one of many insane antagonists in Kirkwall, and I didn't find it necessary to have yet another insane Starkhaven mage.

Ah yes. I forgot about that note.

I wouldn't mind him being an insane mage whose insanity can't be affected, as his situation happened prior to Hawke. 

I agree though that since we see so many insane mages who are insane for no justifiable reason, seeing another one is just...... meh.

He had a good reason to go insane, but with all of the other insane mages his insanity can't be taken seriously.

The sheer number of insane mages is a bit baffling, really. Makes me wonder just what the Circles do to make them so - I start to imagine terrible torture sessions where the mages are tied to uncomfortable chairs and forced to listen an unmusical templar playing "Puff the Magic Dragon" on a recorder for hours and hours and hours.

In the witcher's universe if mages dont get necessary training when they are young then go insane, im beginning to think perhaps the dragon age universe has a similar thing, or if it doesn't im thinking mr gaider should implement such a thing in his story to help explain why all the mages have such a bad case of the crazies

[nightscrawl]

maxernst wrote...

Why not invite him to the estate or (if she's afraid he'll steal the silverware), bring or guard or two. Or maybe, you know, her son?

Mabari would have been a good choice too. Perhaps he was out with Aveline training her guards.

[Lethys1]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

So that scene where she was flopping around was so hilarious.
I know it was supposed to be tragic but she didn't really strike me as a realistic mother character and I couldn't relate to her.
I disliked her from the moment when your sibling dies and her reaction is to turn on her remaining kid.
No mom I know would do that.
I have know mothers with similar losses and thier reaction was to overprotect the others.
I really wanted to have a option to tell her off at some point.

QFT.  I think it was the least upsetting fictional death of all time.  She was a terribly written character who wasn't at all believable.  Her reactions to her first child's death are odd to say the least.  It was funny because they are killing my 3rd family member in a cheap attempt for sadness and emotion.  It was below the Bioware team.

I already expected her dead anyway.  And the way they did it.  She's shaking around as I'm battling all kinds of demons.  It's ridiculous.  Best part is how she has just enough time for the cheesy, cliche, cinematic style goodbye to Hawke before she dies.

Everything about Quentin is terrible.  He's essentially just Laiken from Divinity 2: Eco Draconis, in literally every way (including his fetish).  Not only that, but Orsino's hiding him made no sense, the death he provides your mother with is terrible, and necromancy was not a heavily discussed topic in Dragon Age lore prior to this moment.  Overall, it was bad execution, and serves as a microcosm of the quality of the rest of the game.

[Kulyok]

I think the quest was idiotic. Quentin wanted to bring his wife from the dead, right? In a body created out of several other female bodies, but with his wife's soul(spirit, thoughts, whatever). Then why does this zombie has Leandra's soul, thoughts and everything, if Quentin wanted to bring back his wife, not Leandra? For that matter, Quentin could've just taken alive Leandra as his concubine if he wanted to. Smells better, too.


As for the floppy zombie mom, yep, the jerky movements were funny, but the ending scene(when Hawke cradles the zombie) was disgusting - my Hawke wolld never touch **that*. Ewww. Grey and smelly and the icky red eyeballs! (And she was a very bad mom anyway, btw). My girl Hawke would rather kick that body far and high. Preferably with the zombie head falling and zombie brains spilling. Well, at least we got an Anders consoling scene. Silver lining.

[Kimberly Shaw]

I never connected to my family, though I tried to connect with Bethany and loved her (she was inexplicably cold to my character when I rescued her in act 2 despite me always chosing the I LOVE BETHANY dialogue options earlier). I think the family was really poorly done in DA2 (among other things).

The floppy mother did make me giggle a little because it looked stupid. I didn't connect with my mother.

And as a person whose sibling passed at a young age (20), I can tell you that all reactions from a parent who go through that are possible...even blaming the survivors for not protecting. But yeah, hawke's mom was a poor creation.

[happy_daiz]

I didn't really bond with dear old mother, either. On my "aggressive" playthrough, I always picked the mean things to say to her, which was a little gratifying. She has the mental fortitude of a doormat. That, and she tried to blame me for (insert sibling's name)'s death every playthrough. The nerve of some people.

I'm really not sure what Malcolm saw in her, unless you count her big ta-tas. 
 

[Patriciachr34]

Wow! The lack of empathy on this thread truly makes me sad. I think I'll go somewhere more pleasant.

[Sanguinerin]

I didn't find the scene amusing. The build-up actually had me on the edge of my seat. Of course, that was crushed by the terrible Frankenstein's monster plot once I actually realize what happened...

[Tirfan]

This was the best scene in DA2. No questions asked, it made me laugh so hard I nearly fell off my chair. It was just so bad it was good.

[maxernst]

Kimberly Shaw wrote...

I never connected to my family, though I tried to connect with Bethany and loved her (she was inexplicably cold to my character when I rescued her in act 2 despite me always chosing the I LOVE BETHANY dialogue options earlier). I think the family was really poorly done in DA2 (among other things).

Maybe she's bitter about the fact that Hawke acts like she doesn't exist all the way through Act 2? 

[Rifneno]

It's funny, but in a bad way. The build-up was very good, but the awkward stumbling zombie reveal shredded through the seriousness of the build-up like a scythe. In scenes like that, you have to be very careful to keep the tension going well. The more tension, the harder it is to keep. The build-up had a lot of tension, as several people mentioned about being on the edge of their seat and such. Adding something as over-the-top as the stumbling zombie routine was like shooting a balloon with an assault rifle.

PurebredCorn wrote...

Not funny at all. People whining about how Hawke's mommy hurt their feelings when she lashes out in grief is hilarious on the other hand.

You must be totally devoid of laughter then, because not one person said that. They were saying that no decent mother would blame one of her children for the death of another. And they're right. Ever hear of a thing called "emotional scarring?" I used to know a guy that blamed himself for his father dying, completely screwed him up. Last I saw him he was an alcoholic. That's the kind of impact Leandra's blame game crap could potentially have on a kid. So yeah, Leandra's a failure as a mother for blaming Hawke. Not that it's surprising, when you look at how screwed up Carver is. Jesus. That guy's got more issues than Time Magazine, and it's pretty clear it's because his parents never made him feel worthwhile compared to his mage siblings.

People whining about other people whining about something that they didn't actually whine about is hilarious also.

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes, that line puzzled me also. I ended up assuming that Hawke was talking about the, "Why didn't you stop them?" line, in which case I felt Hawke's paraphrasing was a bit off. I was even more puzzled when Carver said, "Wait, I'm sorry. It's like mother, taking it out on us. She was just scared." I was like, "What are you talking about."

Her response wasn't worded well on the diplomatic dialogue tree. On the others it's clear she's blaming Hawke. I get the impression she was supposed to on diplomatic as well but it was just worded poorly.

Chiramu wrote...

I think the OP needs to see professional help.

I think you should stop giving medical advice to people you've never met.

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I have to wonder how many of those feeling it wasn't natural took the Virmire Survivor's side on Horizon in ME2?

After Horizon, I wanted a new ME DLC that lets you leave both of those douchebags on Virmire to get nuked.

Herr Uhl wrote...

There is a difference between mostly dead and dead. Once you are dead, you can't be brought back.

Yeah. You can't find one option on government paperwork.

XxDeonxX wrote...

In the witcher's universe if mages dont get necessary training when they are young then go insane, im beginning to think perhaps the dragon age universe has a similar thing, or if it doesn't im thinking mr gaider should implement such a thing in his story to help explain why all the mages have such a bad case of the crazies

Yeah but this isn't Witcher. This is Dragon Age. Totally different. Witchers are made by drinking a mysterious magical potion that kills most of them upon initiation and leaves the rest sterile but with powers to let them fight monsters. And only monsters, for they're forbidden from getting involved in political struggles. ... Why is that sounding so familiar? ... Huh. Plus they have Scoia'tael, a minority that's violently fighting back against a brutal religious oppression but doing so in ways that make them seem like terrorists themselves at times so there's a sense of a morally grey area when the player is given the choice of who to side with. ... Hmm. Well at least now that Witcher 2 is out they can get to work on changing the names for Dragon Age 3?

[Sajuro]

It isn't funny, it was tragic and that was the time I felt sorry for Hawke the most.

[Augustei]

Rifneno wrote...
Yeah but this isn't Witcher. This is Dragon Age. Totally different.
Witchers are made by drinking a mysterious magical potion that kills
most of them upon initiation and leaves the rest sterile but with powers
to let them fight monsters. And only monsters, for they're forbidden
from getting involved in political struggles. ... Why is that sounding
so familiar? ... Huh. Plus they have Scoia'tael, a minority that's
violently fighting back against a brutal religious oppression but doing
so in ways that make them seem like terrorists themselves at times so
there's a sense of a morally grey area when the player is given the
choice of who to side with. ... Hmm. Well at least now that Witcher 2
is out they can get to work on changing the names for Dragon Age 3?

I was talking about the mages in the witcher, not the witchers in the witcher =P. Due to the immense power they are born with if they dont get proper training when they young they go insane, most are only half insane. Also yeah your onto something about Dragon Age having similarities to The Witcher but most of the similarities lie with The A Song of Ice and Fire series, The Grey Wardens have far more similarities with The Nights Watch then they do with Witchers. In Dragon Age seems to be from that book series.. But the similarties between the witcher and dragon age seem evident.. The Witcher was written just two years earlier then A Song of Fire and Ice though so maybe both copy the witcher or something idk lol.

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 22 juin 2011 - 12:54 .

[Persephone]

About as funny as sending romanced Alistair off to his execution.

But hey, some callous people actually thought that was lulz worthy.

Never mind the fun some people had as they watched Anora break down at her father's execution.

[MKDAWUSS]

It wasn't funny, but facepalm inducing.

[Luvinn]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

It wasn't funny, but facepalm inducing.

Pretty much, it wasn't funny, but not sad....i just kind of watched it stonefaced and said "wow that was stupid". Even if they did something corney like have blood mages (yet again) kidnap her as leverage for support from Hawke, and she somehow was killed as collateral damage during the fight, it would have been better.

Not to mention i never really felt an emotional attachment to many of the characters in the game to overly care about their well-being. When "The Boss" died at the end of Metal Gear Solid 3, i was depressed. That was a character that i felt something for.

Modifié par Luvinn, 22 juin 2011 - 03:24 .

[Gunderic]

Aigyl wrote...

I noticed Leandra's zombie dancing in mid-combat, which was... awkward. Silly horrified atmosphere.

I didn't particularly like Leandra (tellling her daughter Bethany that she wished she had died was ), but family's family. All That Remains was one of my favourite parts of the game.

I don't ever remember Leandra saying that. Only that 'she wished to have died in Bethany's place' if the ogre kills her in the prologue.

Modifié par Gunderic, 22 juin 2011 - 03:50 .