From the promo vids, it would appear that the Alliance was taken by surprise. How could this happen? It has already been said that the Reapers have already assaulted and conquered the Batarians, but if so, how did we miss that? Unless Alliance Intel was asleep, I would think that somebody would have noticed that the Batarians had gone dark.
And what about Liara, isn't she the new Shadow Broker? How did she miss this? Did all of her Batarian operatives go silent and she just figured that they were all on vacation? With the Alliance expecting war with the Batarians after the events of Arrival, you would think somebody would be paying close attention to them.
But all of a sudden the Reaper fleet blows in and ices the entire Alliance Fleet and then moves on to assemble over Earth. Shockingly, everybody on Earth is going, "now there's something you don't see everyday, wonder if it's dangerous?"
Maybe the Reapers have taken out the Shadow Broker and Cerberus is feeding false information to the Alliance in order to keep them in the dark and primed for the attack. Maybe Cerberus led the Alliance to summon their fleets to Earth on false information to insure the utter destruction of the Alliance forces. If so, Cerberus is a greater enemy than previously thought or perhaps the Illusive Man has finally been indoctrinated and Cerberus is now working for the total destruction of humanity. If so, it would be a bitter irony.
Seems fishy that we were caught with our collective pants down around our ankles when we supposedly had so many eyes watching out for us. Something's up and it isn't good.
Alliance Intel Failure
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knightnblu
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 09:41
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Maybe the same way we wouldn't know about a zombie outbreak in N. Korea until swarms of them crossed the DMZ into S. Korea?
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 09:42
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^Didn't the Alliance amass their fleets over Europe (thousands of ships) in preperation? I don't think they were caught by surprise, they simply underestimated the reapers.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 09:43
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It's not like it matters anyway, considering that there are thousands of Reapers on Earth. And that the Alliance fleet had to struggle to just take down one of them.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 09:45
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Well, from the Invasion trailer, when they are interviewing that scientist or whoever he is, it sounds as though the Alliance did amass a couple thousand ships to defend Earth. It's not really their fault that human ships couldn't take on Reapers in a head-to-head engagement.
We won't know the full extent of the Alliance's and the other races' level of preparedness for the Reaper attack until the game is out.
But like you said, once the Batarians were hit, news of that should have leaked on the extranet. It seems like people should have had a bigger heads up.
We won't know the full extent of the Alliance's and the other races' level of preparedness for the Reaper attack until the game is out.
But like you said, once the Batarians were hit, news of that should have leaked on the extranet. It seems like people should have had a bigger heads up.
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 09:53
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The Batarians are pretty well cut off from the rest of the universe Some information might have leaked out, but not enough for anyone to really do much in preparation, or even guess what their next target might be. The most they could do is evacuate - but then, how do they even know the place they evacuate to isn't the Reaper's next target?
And it's not like pre
And it's not like pre
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Posté 19 juin 2011 - 10:26
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Bad King wrote...
^Didn't the Alliance amass their fleets over Europe (thousands of ships) in preperation? I don't think they were caught by surprise, they simply underestimated the reapers.
^See
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 04:06
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I was under the impression that the "thousands of ships" were Reapers, not Alliance. I'm pretty sure the Alliance doesn't even have thousands of ships...
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 04:09
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I'm pretty sure that I read or saw something about the 1st fleet (the one defending Earth) escaping to regroup.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 04:31
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Information can be outrun.
Information effectiveness, moreso.
If the Reaper invasion was as devastating as supposed, anything would be considered a "surprise".
Furthermore, "Surprise! the Reapers are coming" was not a surprise. Liara, as the SB, knew so.
"Surprise! We've already gone through the Batarians faster than you expected and have gobbled up Echo Station 3-8 (static)" would be a mentioned as a Surprise, even so.
Information effectiveness, moreso.
If the Reaper invasion was as devastating as supposed, anything would be considered a "surprise".
Furthermore, "Surprise! the Reapers are coming" was not a surprise. Liara, as the SB, knew so.
"Surprise! We've already gone through the Batarians faster than you expected and have gobbled up Echo Station 3-8 (static)" would be a mentioned as a Surprise, even so.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 06:12
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Xerxes52 wrote...
Maybe the same way we wouldn't know about a zombie outbreak in N. Korea until swarms of them crossed the DMZ into S. Korea?
With the amount of ordnance in the DMZ that problem would take care of itself.
But back to the main topic; It's hard to say why other than the the intelligence agency dropped the ball. Considering what we are told that the Reapers moved through the Batarian (the species that humans perhaps have the most tension with) systems first, it would be hard to see why none of the potential 'spies' or observation posts picked up on it and reported it.
I'm sure this will be explained when the game comes out though... trailer may be more for show than for actual storyline
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 06:48
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The thought that the trailer was not all inclusive occurred to me, but if not this is a massive failure of intelligence. So massive in fact, that it may very well spell the end of the species. I still think that something behind the scenes blinded the Alliance to its danger. What that something was...I just don't know.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 07:03
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I don't understand?
To me, it appears the Alliance were aware of something and assembled a fleet in earth's orbit. The English news presenter even asks the "doctor" something like "is this a preparation against a legitimate attack?"
Keyword there is preparation. They were prepared for an attack so obviously knew something. But like the ****** council, no one believes the reapers are real or a big threat so the the reapers arrived and just obliterated the fleet.
I really don't see how the Alliance was "caught with their pants down." at all. The Alliance fleet was annihilated because the reapers are very powerful and not because the Alliance wasn't prepared.
To me, it appears the Alliance were aware of something and assembled a fleet in earth's orbit. The English news presenter even asks the "doctor" something like "is this a preparation against a legitimate attack?"
Keyword there is preparation. They were prepared for an attack so obviously knew something. But like the ****** council, no one believes the reapers are real or a big threat so the the reapers arrived and just obliterated the fleet.
I really don't see how the Alliance was "caught with their pants down." at all. The Alliance fleet was annihilated because the reapers are very powerful and not because the Alliance wasn't prepared.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 08:38
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Yeah news guy said the Alliance had positioned thousands of ships in orbit, has preparation for an attack. The other guy laughed and said not to worry I doubt its the mythic Reapers.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 09:00
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nitrog100 wrote...
I'm pretty sure that I read or saw something about the 1st fleet (the one defending Earth) escaping to regroup.
That would actually make better sense. Running away to live to fight another day. I would like to hope that Admiral Hacket wouldn't throw the Alliance Fleet away in a futile and doomed defense of Earth during the initial strike. He of all people should know better given what happened at the Battle of the Citadel.
Unless the Alliance Fleet was somehow surprised and given the Pearl Harbor treatment. Taking heavy loses is one thing but if the Alliance Fleet is wiped out from the start then that's pretty lame IMO.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 09:03
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When was it said that Batarian Hegemony was conquered?
They were attacked first, but Earth, as major planet, will fall first.
They were attacked first, but Earth, as major planet, will fall first.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 10:25
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Bad King wrote...
^Didn't the Alliance amass their fleets over Europe (thousands of ships) in preperation? I don't think they were caught by surprise, they simply underestimated the reapers.
I dont think they underestimated the reapers, more like the ships they had could do bugger all to stop them. They had to put of a fight, but imagine a fleet of soverigns, no wonder the alliance fleet got utterly destroyed
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 10:31
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GuiltySource wrote...
Yeah news guy said the Alliance had positioned thousands of ships in orbit, has preparation for an attack. The other guy laughed and said not to worry I doubt its the mythic Reapers.
The other guy was trying to cover it up so as not to cause a mass panic.
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 10:54
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Complaining about intellegence failures about a game that isn't even out yet... Also I listened to the ME2 after playing the game, honeslty sounded like **** to me. Just to give people false info about teh game. I mean if you watched the ME trailer, Shep passed up Feros (a planet you HAVE to go to in the game)
