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[EmbryMay]

I'm just curious. (I apologise if this is somewhere else, and I assume it's probably discussed in some of the threads on individual characters, but I wanted to just talk about age in one place)

I mean, we know Bethany and Carver are 18 as they leave Lothering. Hawke must be somewhere between 19 and 25, seeing as Leandra and Malcolm left Kirkwall 25 years ago, and there's no mention that they fled with a toddler.

But what of the companions?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Anders: I'd say in his late 20s at the beginning of the story, definitely older than Hawke by a few years.

Fenris: Early-to-mid 20s when you meet him, about Hawke's age. Youngest of the companions.

Merril: Deceptively young-looking, Mid 20s.

Isabella: similar age to Anders. I'd go with 29 when you meet her... and still "29" by the end of the story, if Varric wants to live.

Varric: Early-to-mid 30s. Too world-wise to be that much younger.

Aveline: 30 on the dot when you meet her, though I wouldn't be surprised if she were a couple years younger.

(and yes, by this math everyone is over 30 by the end of the story, with the possible exception of Hawke and Fenris. But that makes things interesting, in my book.) 

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 19 juin 2011 - 10:46 .

[EmbryMay]

I always think of Merril as the youngest. She looks so young partially, with the big eyes, but I think her attitude is young as well, she's idealistic and naive.

Anders - older then Hawke, but I'm not sure how much by. Consider he tried to escape from the tower seven (?) times, and Irving defended him and ensured he wasn't made Tranquil because he thought Anders was young and idealistic. So early twenties, up until Awakening maybe, which is about a year before you meet him. In DA2 I think he seems much older then he did in Awakening, but if he was still young enough in the tower to be seen as a mischevious scamp, rather then a real concern, I don't think he can be that old.

Varric, I'd agree in his 30s. And Aveline, somewhere around the same marker.

I figured Isabela as at least as old as though two, if not a few years more - I think she looks haggard personally!

And Fenris...I never saw as the youngest. But I genuinely don't know where I'd place him. He's the biggest mystery in my mind.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

EmbryMay wrote...

I always think of Merril as the youngest. She looks so young partially, with the big eyes, but I think her attitude is young as well, she's idealistic and naive.

Anders - older then Hawke, but I'm not sure how much by. Consider he tried to escape from the tower seven (?) times, and Irving defended him and ensured he wasn't made Tranquil because he thought Anders was young and idealistic. So early twenties, up until Awakening maybe, which is about a year before you meet him. In DA2 I think he seems much older then he did in Awakening, but if he was still young enough in the tower to be seen as a mischevious scamp, rather then a real concern, I don't think he can be that old.

Varric, I'd agree in his 30s. And Aveline, somewhere around the same marker.

I figured Isabela as at least as old as though two, if not a few years more - I think she looks haggard personally!

And Fenris...I never saw as the youngest. But I genuinely don't know where I'd place him. He's the biggest mystery in my mind.

I put Merril as in her mid 20s because she appears in the Dalish origin, and talks about her friendship with Mahariel. Based on stuff we've seen about the Dalish, I estimated Mahariel to be in her early 20s when she was recruited, and Merril seemed to be the same age at the time. Since now it's several years after then, I put Merril in her mid 20s, and simply classify her as immature and sheltered. She hasn't grown up very much since we last met her, and is somewhat hampered by being out of her element. She was much more self-assured when she was with the Dalish in Origins, before that damned mirror.

Anders has seven escape attempts, a year in solitary, and probably about a year with the Wardens (maybe not a full year.) He wasn't made tranquil or executed in Ferelden because they actually follow the rules there, but you don't put someone in solitary for a year for being a mischievous scamp. I can't see him being much younger than 25 at the beginning of DA2, and I'd guess more like 26 or 27.  But again, your mileage may vary.

Fenris I have no real way to guess. He could be mid-20s as well, and actually that's probably slightly more likely, I suppose... I forgot for a moment that he was meant to have been on the run several years before he met Hawke. So I'll raise the estimate for him a bit, I guess. I may get the impression of youth from him because of his lack of memories.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 19 juin 2011 - 11:00 .

[GodWood]

After one year in Kirkwall (Act I)

Anders: 26
Aveline: 29
Bethany: 19
Carver: 19
Fenris: 25
Isabela: 26
Merrill: 19
Varric: 26

[Chiramu]

Despite what people say, Merrill should be roughly the same age as Mahariel (if you played Dalish). She is not a teenager, she is an adult.

For everyone not counting your brother/sister, they should end the game in their 30s.

I try not to think that my main character will be 40 at the end of the game >.<.

[lobi]

Hawks parents left kirkwall because Mom was pregnant.
When you meet them.
Varrick is about 32 in Dwarf years dont know if dwarves live longer or shorter lives than Humans, I guess shorter (no pun)
Avaline is a sporty  18-20 yrs old. dont know what is wrong with you guys she is a lot younger than Hawk this is obvious.
Isabella is typical drunken old milf at 28 that is really 34.
Fenris is elvish manchild at about 80 years old.
Merril is elvish student teacher (junior librarian) at  65 years old.
Anders is a seriously F'ed up 29 year old. This too is obvious.

Modifié par lobi, 20 juin 2011 - 07:11 .

[ImoenBaby]

I get a chuckle out of the kids who think no one could possibly be in their 30s. Denial: it's not just a river in Egypt.

Look at the crow's feet and skin textures. Most people in their mid 20s still look youthful, which Isabella and Anders don't resemble in Act I. (On the otherhand, I suppose their relatively hard lives could have prematurely aged them.) I have a difficult time with Aveline: she ACTS like a stern old soldier, but her iron jaw and determination could belong to a younger woman.

Bethany and Carver may be teenagers is Act 1, but both appear older. Seriously: look at a bunch of high school seniors or college freshmen.

I can't figure out how old is Fenris supposed to be. He seems neither young or old to me.

[brain_damage]

I actually think that Isabela is much younger than she looks - I'd give her 23-25 at the beginning of the game. She was sold by her mother to a merchant at a fairly young age, and judging from real world cases I'd say she could've been around 13-14 when that happened - any older and she might've been married already. And she says she's known some of the sailors on her late husband's ship for as long as 10 years.

Modifié par brain_damage, 20 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[ImoenBaby]

lobi wrote...
Avaline is a sporty  18-20 yrs old. dont know what is wrong with you guys she is a lot younger than Hawk this is obvious.

Isabella is typical drunken old milf at 28 that is really 34.

edited for block quote

Modifié par ImoenBaby, 20 juin 2011 - 10:02 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I think one of the issues is that nobody's appearance changes drastically over the course of the game, so you have to come up with an age range that seems to fit their appearance for the whole seven years. It's mostly appearance + backstory = guess.

That's why I put Izzy at 29 to start. She seems the kind of person who is perpetually 29, and I know plenty of women who look and act like her well into their early 40s.

Aveline's been married. True, she could have married young, but she's also experienced and mature enough to become captain of the guard. That's not a job for someone in their early 20s, in my mind. At youngest, I'd put her at 25 at the start of the story, but anywhere in the 25-30 range seems reasonable.

I'm amused by everyone who assumes Merril is 19. Then again, I still get carded for R-rated movies... some people just look and act much younger than they are. I've met cynical, chain-smoking bastards who I assumed were in their 30s but who were actually not able to legally drink, and I've met 34-year-old women who you would swear are still in college.

[Wulfram]

The DA:O toolset gives Isabela's age as 28, which fits quite well. She'd be 29 when we meet her in DA2.
The toolset also gives Merrill's age as 25, but she's obviously been revised since Origins. We've been told she's a similar age as the DE Warden, which would say 21ish - Tamlen's age is given as 20 in the toolset.

Others, my very approximate guesses would be
Aveline - 28
Varric - 30
Fenris - 25
Anders - 26

Hawke - 23

[berelinde]

Anders: Who knows? Maybe not even him. He's had a hard life.
Aveline: I'd put her in the 25-28 range. She's been married for a few years, at least.
Bethany/Carver: 19 - Why did they make Carver look so old?
Fenris: 22-25. Everything about him screams "angry young man."
Isabela: 28-30. This isn't her first dance. And who says mature women can't be sexy?
Merrill: 22. She's the same age as the Warden, who was 20, and that's 2 years ago.
Varric: 35. He's got some life experience under that wide brocade belt of his.

[Birdhive]

I know the story claims that the characters are fairly young, but I don't believe it at all. As another pointed out, the skin textures are definitely those of people in their 30s for at least Isabella, Varric, Anders and Fenris. I think Aveline's as old as them but has better skin, that kind of lovely finely-pored, Northern European red-headed skin.

I actually suspect the game designers of hedging their bets--the story says young, so the youngs don't feel estranged by all the 30-year old codgers (ah, to be 30 and young again!), while the looks of the characters seem to me to better resemble the ages of their writers (as does the dialog), thus enabling the olds to feel included.

Basically, I ignore what the story says. I tend to make Hawke look my own age (well over 30!), and presume the others, save Bethany and Carver, are in their early 30s at the very youngest. B and C I think are in the mid-to-late 20's range. Codex be damned! And really, Anders looked like he was in his mid-30s in Awakenings!

[xRiseAboveThis]

I had a thread about this a while ago. Here were my answers from last time:

Anders: 31
Aveline: 36
Bethany: 25
Carver: 25
Fenris: 34
Isabela: 29
Merrill: 23
Varric: 35

I'd make a couple changes to it now, after doing a few more playthroughs. I'd put Fenris closer to 28 than 34;  I've finally accepted that Bethany and Carver are 18 (although I've never seen anyone who looks like that walking around my high school ); I'd put Merrill at 20; and I'd say Varric's more like 33.

[Siegdrifa]

Age hahaha.
When i was a student in Art School, one of my teacher looked not over 25 / 26, in fact she was 38 and she was totaly proud of it, two years latter she looked like a 35 yo woman, still not maching her age (40) but damn, her body and face took nearly 10 years in only 2 years ...

To the post, i think most of DA characters are around 30.
In general, i find Bioware to make most of their character around 30, and it is a welcome change from the always high shcool student hero of japanese production in their RPG or whatever story.

[Knight of Dane]

What does it matter?

Merrillmance FTW, wether she's 18 or 25

[EmbryMay]

Where does it say they left Kirkwall because Leandra was pregnant? I'm sure I read that Malcolm had to leave, because a templar had seen him casting magic, and he went to a ball to say goodbye and she insisted on coming with him - no mention of bumpHawke yet.

[Torax]

Hawke would only be a few years older than the twins. But not 6-7 years older I'm sure. I get the feeling by her actions that Isabela would have been older than early 20's. She had been a captain for some time before you meet her in Origins it appeared. Learned to be a duelist. I doubt her husband would have let his young bride fight that much. Odds are it was more honed and mastered after his death to Zevran.

Merrill would be younger but I get the feeling Fenris is older than mid 20's. Elves are supposedly hard to judge with hints at decent life spans. He also seems to know the workings of Tevinter too well to have only been a slave for a few years. I would also put Anders a little older late 20's at least. He escaped the circle 7 times. I doubt that would have been 3-4 escapes in a single year as an example. His skills were too honed to just be a younger apprentice as well. Some as old were still mastering basic spells.

Aveline was an officer not a common soldier. late 20's to 30's. Experienced soldier who married a Templar but their duties derailed things like having children. I think the oldest is Fenris & Sebastian. Sebastian is still probably younger than Fenris. Yes he seemed angry like Carver but his anger was tempered and justified and not of blame. Of a distrust grown over time and experience.

[mesmerizedish]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Anders: I'd say in his late 20s at the beginning of the story, definitely older than Hawke by a few years.

Fenris: Early-to-mid 20s when you meet him, about Hawke's age. Youngest of the companions.

Merril: Deceptively young-looking, Mid 20s.

Isabella: similar age to Anders. I'd go with 29 when you meet her... and still "29" by the end of the story, if Varric wants to live.

Varric: Early-to-mid 30s. Too world-wise to be that much younger.

Aveline: 30 on the dot when you meet her, though I wouldn't be surprised if she were a couple years younger.

(and yes, by this math everyone is over 30 by the end of the story, with the possible exception of Hawke and Fenris. But that makes things interesting, in my book.) 

Yup yup, I agree with all of these,,, though I'd suggest that Isabela could be a bit older and Aveline could be a bit younger. I can see Aveline as 25 and Isabela as 35 (not saying that's the case, just saying that I consider it within the realm of possibility).

[caradoc2000]

Torax wrote...

I get the feeling by her actions that Isabela would have been older than early 20's. She had been a captain for some time before you meet her in Origins it appeared. Learned to be a duelist.

If you recall from DAO, it takes less than a minute to learn to be a duelist.

[Torax]

caradoc2000 wrote...

Torax wrote...

I get the feeling by her actions that Isabela would have been older than early 20's. She had been a captain for some time before you meet her in Origins it appeared. Learned to be a duelist.

If you recall from DAO, it takes less than a minute to learn to be a duelist.

Game mechanics aside. She was a prized posession picked up at a young age. I doubt she would have been allowed to fight while he was around. ONce he was dead she had her freedom truly. She also stated honing her skills over years. I just get the feeling that Isabela & Varric are too wordly to be so young. Granted that is why I also do not believe Fenris/Leto is say 25 when you meet him. Even with his memory wiped he knows too much to only remember say 3 years. He was even just on the run for how long and was a slave for longer than that most likely. So odds are he is far older than people are giving him credit.

[Adara]

Anders: 29-32
Aveline: 30-35
Bethany: 18 (we know this at the beginning)
Carver: 18 (we know this at the beginning)
Fenris: 22-26
Isabela: 29-32
Merrill: 20-23
Varric: 30-35
Sebastian: 28-30 (although i think in something he mentions you can do the math and he is 28 ..I think)

Strictly my assupmtions.

[Kappa Neko]

How old the siblings look depends on how old you create Hawke to be, no?
My Hawke looks mid-twenties to late twenties.
The Carver I got dealt looks like late thirties, though!
I thought he was supposed to be older than Hawke until I found out both your siblings are younger.
The random sibling creator sure messed up my siblings...
Then again the default siblings don't look like teenagers, either. I would have guessed early twenties.
What's even stranger is that I've created three Hawke's so far and Carver and Bethany always look the same: I always get the old Carver and the short haired Bethany.
Maybe it has to do with what complexion you choose...because I picked the second from the left each time.
Anybody ever create an older Hawke? Does the mother look younger than her son/daughter then?! That would be hilarious.

I would guess:

Anders: about 30
Aveline: about 30, maybe a year or two younger (the voice and demeanor is misleading I think)
Fenris: late twenties to early thirties (his voice sounds older, though)
Isabela: late twenties
Merrill: mid-twenties
Varric: early thirties

And I agree, characters around 30 are a nice change from the teenage heroes of JRPGs.
Felt so nice to be romancing an adult in Mass Effect!

[Jessihatt]

I definitely think Fenris is like 30 in Bait and Switch, he seems too 'worn' to be 20 
I think:
Aveline - 29-32 fleeing Lothering
Carver/Bethany - 18 fleeing Lothering
Varric - mid-30s
Merril - 25, her naivety makes her seem younger
Anders - 26
Isabela - 30

Stumped with Hawke, probably 20-22 when fleeing Lothering

Modifié par CommanderJessica, 23 juin 2011 - 06:23 .