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[Masako52]

I think David Gaider did imply that Dalish elves might age more slowly than humans - Merrill's age therefore is a lot more up in arms. She acts young but I'm inclined to think that's just her personality.

Fenris I think of as younger... early to mid twenties. Isabela and Anders don't strike me as really young, maybe mid to late twenties in Act 1.

Hell, maybe Hawke is even the youngest out of the companions.

[erilben]

caradoc2000 wrote...

SpottySpec wrote...

But honestly Hawke's age depends on how you made your character look. I made my Hawke look younger so I assume she is younger.

Legacy explicitly states that Leandra was pregnant (with Hawke) when they fled into Ferelden 25 years ago.

I don't think you can take any of these comments as accurate number of years. Janeka says Malcolm reinforced the seals 30 years ago.

[turian councilor Knockout]

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[caradoc2000]

erilben wrote...

I don't think you can take any of these comments as accurate number of years. Janeka says Malcolm reinforced the seals 30 years ago.

Janeka is a fruitcake, while Gamlen is just greedy.

[esper]

I think it is purposely left vague, but my personal headcanon act 1.
Carver 19
Hawke just turned 25
Merrill 22
Varric, 30-ish
Isabella 29-30 ish
Anders 28
Fenris, no idea
Sebastian 28-30

[Megaton_Hope]

Since Varric is a dwarf, he could be into his forties. My impression is that dwarves age relatively more slowly than humans, in addition to being more physically robust and somewhat set in their ways as a society.

I don't think that Merrill is so much young as just naive. Kind of a nerd, not very worldly. Elves, particularly Dalish elves, seem to have quite a lifespan naturally. Plus, they got a more child-like makeover in DA2. So probably not as young as she looks. Wouldn't hazard a guess, though. Don't know their natural lifespan to make comparisons.

[Firle Fanz]

esper wrote...

I think it is purposely left vague, but my personal headcanon act 1.
Carver 19
Hawke just turned 25
Merrill 22
Varric, 30-ish
Isabella 29-30 ish
Anders 28
Fenris, no idea
Sebastian 28-30

I agree with most of these, with the exception that I think Varric is actually younger than his wordly behaviour indicates.
I´d say he is in his twenties as well - mid to late.
I don´t have anything to prove it though, it´s just the feeling I´ve got, especially when watching his interaction with Bartrand.

Fenris I´d say is in his late twenties in Act 1, maybe even older.
He appears to be somwhat weatherd and rough, both in behaviour and appearance.
He has anger-issues on subjects that affect him personally (namely magic and slavery), but is otherwise more a voice of reason.
I can´t imagine Danarious giving the markings to someone who isn´t fully grown yet (though the subject still has to be very young to get the most out of his investment), so I´d say he was around 18 when that happened.
Not to mention he was still naive enough to believe simply freeing his family would provide a better life for them.
I got the impression he served Danarius for quite some time and was 3 years on the run when he met Hawke, so there´s no way he´s anything under 25, most likely older.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

On arrival at Kirkwall:
Bethany and Carver definite 18 (per convo w/ Leandra)
Hawke a definite 24 going hard on 25 (Per Leandra being pregnant with him at the time of Legacy and Hawke being Ferelden born. They had to leave right after that so Hawke is nearly or just turned 25 at the start.
Avaline apx 30
Varric apx 30
Fenris around 23-25
Anders 27-29
Merrill 19-20 (assuming she was just 18 in DA:O)
Isabella 20-23
Leandra about 45
Malcom around 50 if he had lived
Gamlen around 53 or so

[berelinde]

Er... when you meet Isabela, she says that she knew some of those men almost a decade. Even if she was still married to Mr. Killed-by-Zevran, I'm not willing to believe that she was 11 at the time. I might be willing to believe that she's in the 26-30 range, though.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I would say married off at 12, possibly 11, sold or given as some cultures do at a young age, given that Zev was sold to the crows very young, I assume Antiva is one of those cultures that thinks such is perfectly fine.

[Nejeli]

Alexa_ wrote...

Well, I think in DA2, act 1:

Anders 22/23 (he cannot be much older, because it's one year after DAA and there he was at most 21/22 - otherwise they would already have made him tranquil. But he was spared because of his youth)

Except that it's against the rules to tranquil mages that have passed their Harrowing. Nothing to do with youth. Kirkwall broke the rules (initially to trap Anders, and then because the templars were getting so corrupt) but given Anders reactions in those circumstances, I wouldn't say that it was common in his Circle.

I don't think Anders is nearly that young. He went to the Circle when he was twelve and escaped, what, seven times? If he was 21 in DAA, that would have given him eight years (since one was spent in solitude) for those escapes which, imo, is too short a time frame, assuming that he would have to give the templars and senior mages time to relax their guard and stop watching him, and that would take longer with each attempt.

[CuriousArtemis]

I think people are too fearful for some reason to put some of these characters in their 30s. Hey, people, BEING 30 AINT THAT BAD! And yeah, ten years do pass, and that would potentially put some in their 40s. But guess what; BEING 40 AINT THAT BAD EITHER!

Those who are "up there" to me: Aveline, Isabela, Fenris, Varric, Anders

I think only Hawke and Merrill are in their mid-20s!

[CuriousArtemis]

Alexa_ wrote...

Ok ... maybe he's in his mid 20's (25/26) in act1 but not older. He looks older in DA2, I know ... but look at him in DAA ... there he's obviously looking and acting much younger ... and there's only 1 year between.

Yeah, but in DA:A he's really just an "outline" of a character ... sort of like Isabela and Merrill, and look how much THEY changed.  

I think DA2 Anders is more along the lines of the "real" Anders, and honestly, he looks to be in his early 30s at least.

[Silfren]

Alexa_ wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

Alexa_ wrote...

Well, I think in DA2, act 1:

Anders 22/23 (he cannot be much older, because it's one year after DAA and there he was at most 21/22 - otherwise they would already have made him tranquil. But he was spared because of his youth)

Except that it's against the rules to tranquil mages that have passed their Harrowing. Nothing to do with youth. Kirkwall broke the rules (initially to trap Anders, and then because the templars were getting so corrupt) but given Anders reactions in those circumstances, I wouldn't say that it was common in his Circle.

I don't think Anders is nearly that young. He went to the Circle when he was twelve and escaped, what, seven times? If he was 21 in DAA, that would have given him eight years (since one was spent in solitude) for those escapes which, imo, is too short a time frame, assuming that he would have to give the templars and senior mages time to relax their guard and stop watching him, and that would take longer with each attempt.

Ok ... maybe he's in his mid 20's (25/26) in act1 but not older. He looks older in DA2, I know ... but look at him in DAA ... there he's obviously looking and acting much younger ... and there's only 1 year between.

I'm starting to think that yes, a lot of people really do seem to think that anyone over 30 is old and therefore cannot possibly be.  The bottom line is that the visual graphic of a character is neither the only factor, nor even the important one, to consider when trying to guess at a character's age.  But it's pretty clear that that's what most people are going by. 

I always took Anders to be in his mid-20s in Awakening.  Around 25-28 or so.  Yes, you CAN be "that old" and still look and act young.  

Sheesh, but people here have skewed ideas about what it means to be young.  =P  There's more to youth and vigor than ones' numerical age, folks!

I think that Aveline and Isabela are no younger than 30, so probably around 30-35. 

Varric I also think is in his early 30s.  

Anders, again, I put at being in his late 20s, very early 30s. 

It's pretty well set in stone that the Hawke twins are 18 when the game begins.

Hawke herself I originally thought was 21, because I thought there was lore stating she was 3 years older than Carver and Bethany.  So, perhaps 25ish?

Fenris I don't have a clue about, though I'd wager perhaps in his late 20s?  Given the life he's led he could easily be older than his years, as it were.  

Merrill I would put somewhere in her mid to late 20s.  Naivete isn't necessarily an accurate measure of someone's age, so I think just assuming she's 18-19 on her innocence and ignorance of the world is just silly.  Nor do we really know how elves, especially the Dalish, age, so its possible she could be in her 30s or 40s and yet be considered a youth by the Dalish reckoning.  


Somebody earlier put Leandra at 45 and Gamlen at 53?  Impossible since Leandra is the elder sibling.

[CuriousArtemis]

What do we really know of Anders' nature? It's too influenced by Justice in DA2 for us to ascribe any Anders-only character traits.

I think it reasonable to assume he didn't begin trying to escape until he was around 16 or 17 ... it's a bit much to think of a 12, 13, or 14 year old child finding the courage and fortitude to escape such a huge institution.

And this is all speculation, so I think many of us who are Anders fans and who DO know his background and story can speculate all we like

[Nejeli]

Alexa_ wrote...

If you put Anders in his late 20s or early 30s at the beginning of DA2 you ignore his story before DA2 and you don't know his nature: He was brought to the circle at the age of 12. He made 7 escapes and spend one year in solitude before he appears in Awakening (where you put him in his late 20s / early 30s, too, since there is one year between Awakening and DA2). So you imply that he needed almost 20 years for 7 escapes ... sitting there, year after year and waiting for the next chance to flee? If you comprehended his nature you would know, that he is not the man and was not the boy who sits there patiently, waiting for his chance to come ... he is someone who hunts the chance and takes it immediately when found!

Someone who knows Anders' background, his story and his nature can only put him in his early 20s in Awakening and so one year older in DA2.

We're not ignoring his story or background. We're just taking other factors that might be an issue into consideration. For me,10 years is just not a workable timeframe for 7 escape attempts and punishments, being watched after each as a flight risk, general lessons, learning to control his powers, and a year in solitude. That's not even including possible bouts of depression, periods where he might have given up on freedom, or other types of rebellion (all of which I think he had.) As for him being driven, he wasn't particularly driven in Awakening, and Anders is so heavily influenced by Justice in DA2 that it's hard to know how much of that drive was his and how much was Justice's.

Alexa_ wrote...

Mages that have passed their Harrowing
won't be tranquiled ... unless they flee from the circle. After that
they are apostates and will be haunted and killed or tranquiled ...
unless they are under the protection of youth. Nowhere in the world of
Dragon Age I met a tranquiled child or teenager.

Unless I missed something, there's nothing in game that says that it's okay or common practice to tranquil runaway mages even if they've passed their Harrowing. What happens to runaways seems to mostly be dependant on the charity of those that find them and the templars they're turned over to. In DA2, you see some of the runaways that you send back again in the game. I'm sure they were punished, but they've obviously not been made tranquil or killed. The Rite of Tranquility isn't supposed to be a punishment for misbehaving, though corrupted Circles, like Kirkwall's, use it as such.

Going back to what I remember from the Mage Origin, mages are only supposed to be made tranquil if they choose it or are considered too weak to attempt a Harrowing. Since the average mage doesn't seem to take their Harrowing until they're in their late teens (going by the appearance of the other apprentices, the lack of younger non-apprentices, and the MW being around 18, if I recall correctly) that would explain the lack of young tranquil mages. Not to mention, tranquiled children would make parents less likely to turn their mage children over, so if there were any, the Chantry would for sure keep them out of sight.

[Silfren]

Alexa_ wrote...

If you put Anders in his late 20s or early 30s at the beginning of DA2 you ignore his story before DA2 and you don't know his nature: He was brought to the circle at the age of 12. He made 7 escapes and spend one year in solitude before he appears in Awakening (where you put him in his late 20s / early 30s, too, since there is one year between Awakening and DA2). So you imply that he needed almost 20 years for 7 escapes ... sitting there, year after year and waiting for the next chance to flee? If you comprehended his nature you would know, that he is not the man and was not the boy who sits there patiently, waiting for his chance to come ... he is someone who hunts the chance and takes it immediately when found!

Someone who knows Anders' background, his story and his nature can only put him in his early 20s in Awakening and so one year older in DA2.

I do know Anders background and his story and his nature, and I absolutely put him in his late 20s.  You don't seriously think he attempted all his escape attempts in a short space of time, do you?  He didn't just make seven attempts, but he actually escaped FROM the tower seven times.  That he was able to actually get out and away from the tower strongly suggests that each time, the templars had relaxed their guard.  Particularly after two or three attempts, they wouldn't exactly have not had him under extremely close watch, making it impossible to just grab any random chance.

[Silfren]

Alexa_ wrote...

Mages that have passed their Harrowing
won't be tranquiled ... unless they flee from the circle. After that
they are apostates and will be haunted and killed or tranquiled ...
unless they are under the protection of youth. Nowhere in the world of
Dragon Age I met a tranquiled child or teenager.

That we haven't seen any tranquiled teenagers doesn't stand as evidence that there aren't any.  Especially since we don't have any clue what the ages of some of the wandering Tranquils are.  It's also worth pointing out that when we see a Tranquil, we don't have any clue WHEN they were made such.  It isn't as though they stop aging.

So, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and all that.

That said, it makes better sense to go by existing game lore, not computer graphics.  And the existing lore we have states very clearly that it is illegal to Tranquil a mage once they've passed their Harrowing. Without any mention of a mage's age, there's no reason to consider that age has any bearing on it. 

As an aside, the lore also indicates that it is illegal to tranquil a Harrowed mage even as a punishment for fleeing.  What's actually done in practice aside (as in Kirkwall), the question here is about the legality of such. 

[Cantina]

Hakwe- 25

Anders-27-28

Aveilne- 34-36

Feneris 23-24

Sebastian 25-26

Varric- 36-40

Merill-20-22

Isabella-26-27

Carver- 18 at the start....25 at the end


<shrugs>

[Its_a_Catdemon]

Hawke: 23
Anders: 25
Aveline: 30
Bethany: 19
Carver: 19
Fenris: 21
Isabela: 28
Merrill: 23
Varric: 34
Sebastian: 26

Ages for act 1, as that's when we first meet most of the characters.

I always thought the way Fenris acted seemed a little immature at times, and I like the idea that he's slightly, but not noticeably younger than my Hawke as she romances him.

Merril seemed like the character closest to my Hawke in age, and I don't think she is that young just because of her personality, more naive, however I don't think she's very old either

Anders can't be that old as he's portrayed as young and idealistic at times, however he did escape from the circle seven times and go through the experiences of Awakening.

Sebastian seems like he'd be the closest to Anders in age, as the two look very similiar to me.

I think Isabela trys to act younger than she actually is, considering what I know of her past, this seems likely, not too much older than sebastion considering he think's she can still outgrow the same practices he had when younger.

Aveline is obviously older than most, but I don't like when some try to peg her as an old woman considering she is said to be young for a guard captain, although I also think she's at least older than Isabela.

Varric seemed like he was entering his 40's as he's shown telling the story and as we finish up act 3. So 34 is a good number for that estimating 3 years between each act.