I have been reading on the Mass Effect Wiki that Cerberus is an enemy you will fight due to indoctination. I was wondering if this means the entire orginization is under reaper control or just parts of it? I 'm fine with parts of the Cerberus being indoctinated, but I would call BS if the entire orginization was. There the only group that has been preparing to fight against the reapers, yet there the ones who become the reapers new cannon fodder?
How much of Cerberus is indoctrinated in ME3?
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Mindlessidiots
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 02:25
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Mindlessidiots wrote...
I have been reading on the Mass Effect Wiki that Cerberus is an enemy you will fight due to indoctination. I was wondering if this means the entire orginization is under reaper control or just parts of it? I 'm fine with parts of the Cerberus being indoctinated, but I would call BS if the entire orginization was. There the only group that has been preparing to fight against the reapers, yet there the ones who become the reapers new cannon fodder?
Tragic, ain't it? :happy::happy::happy::happy:
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Posté 20 juin 2011 - 03:24
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 12:00
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 12:05
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I'm quite sure there is a more sinister motive than indoctrination behind behind the reason Cerberus works with the Reapers.
But then again, I'm also one of those who believe that the Reapers isn't doing what they're doing for the lulz but for a grander unknown motive.
And no, I'm not trying to save my hopes as a renegade, I'm paladin goody two shoes paragon to the bone.
But then again, I'm also one of those who believe that the Reapers isn't doing what they're doing for the lulz but for a grander unknown motive.
And no, I'm not trying to save my hopes as a renegade, I'm paladin goody two shoes paragon to the bone.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 12:21
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The Illusive Man's eyes don't look natural, but mechanical, like he has Reaper nanotechnology implanted in him. His base is also right in front of a star, and such proximity would require huge mass effect fields that the "good guys" don't have.
I have the sinking suspicion that Cerberus is a Reaper front, and they brought Shepard back as a part of a more challenging "game." Harbinger says in the game, "We are infinite, you are like insects." Kids like messing with ant piles and destroying them, even if the fire ants swarm them. The ants don't know why these gigantic creatures are destroying their hives.
I have the sinking suspicion that Cerberus is a Reaper front, and they brought Shepard back as a part of a more challenging "game." Harbinger says in the game, "We are infinite, you are like insects." Kids like messing with ant piles and destroying them, even if the fire ants swarm them. The ants don't know why these gigantic creatures are destroying their hives.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 12:35
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Mindlessidiots wrote...
I have been reading on the Mass Effect Wiki that Cerberus is an enemy you will fight due to indoctination. I was wondering if this means the entire orginization is under reaper control or just parts of it? I 'm fine with parts of the Cerberus being indoctinated, but I would call BS if the entire orginization was. There the only group that has been preparing to fight against the reapers, yet there the ones who become the reapers new cannon fodder?
What's even worse is the vast majority of the Alliance Fleet has been wiped out. So much for that Pro-Human idea of a Human only fleet stopping the Reapers is pretty much rubble.
Renegades are going to need their "Terminator Face" on if they want to have any hope of convincing the other species to help em' out.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 12:38
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The way the Cerberus organizational structure is set up, each arm acts independently of another. At the lowest levels they are nearly completely autonomous and are Cerberus in name only as shown in Jack's loyalty mission. The only link among the different branches is TIM and he need be the only one actually indoctrinated really.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 01:25
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I think, having finally just gotten round to reading Evolution, that TIM is the only one who's indoctrinated, and the rest of the organisation are just blindly following his lead. If you listen to the way Miranda talks at the start of ME2, it's pretty clear that she has complete faith in him, and follows his orders without question despite not being indoctrinated herself.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 01:33
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Lemmingology wrote...
I think, having finally just gotten round to reading Evolution, that TIM is the only one who's indoctrinated, and the rest of the organisation are just blindly following his lead. If you listen to the way Miranda talks at the start of ME2, it's pretty clear that she has complete faith in him, and follows his orders without question despite not being indoctrinated herself.
God I hope not. Doing that would more or less blow the entire plot of Mass Effect 2 right out of the water.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 01:37
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DarkSeraphym wrote...
Lemmingology wrote...
I think, having finally just gotten round to reading Evolution, that TIM is the only one who's indoctrinated, and the rest of the organisation are just blindly following his lead. If you listen to the way Miranda talks at the start of ME2, it's pretty clear that she has complete faith in him, and follows his orders without question despite not being indoctrinated herself.
God I hope not. Doing that would more or less blow the entire plot of Mass Effect 2 right out of the water.
Well exactly. Only other thing I can think of is that the Reapers have convinced TIM that if Cerberus take Shepard down, then humanity will be spared. That seems a bit more doable somehow...
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 01:43
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Lemmingology wrote...
Well exactly. Only other thing I can think of is that the Reapers have convinced TIM that if Cerberus take Shepard down, then humanity will be spared. That seems a bit more doable somehow...
Personally, I think that would be an injustice to The Illusive Man's character, especially when we see a connection between him and the Reapers as a result of Evolution, a connection that ultimately drives him to declare the Manifesto and create Cerberus to prepare for that threat. We have already had our Saren and I would certainly hope that a character like the Illusive Man who would know what he is dealing with already would not make the same mistakes.
It is certainly doable, but I also do not think the Illusive Man would be comfortable with the Reapers just sparing humanity anyway. Not only does he stand for the survival of the human race, but the supremacy of the human race too. Essentially, he favors an idea that is not at all unlike the ultranationalist ideals of fascist regimes. How often have they simply rolled over and accepted their fate at the hands of a superior foe in history?
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 06:24
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So far as we I know, the only evidence we have that Cerberus has been indoctrinated (other than they appear to be working with the Reapers) is a line of dialogue said by Shep. We don't at what point in the game that is, or if Shep actually knows something or is just assuming. It could be that The Illusive Man discovers why the Reapers Reap, and agrees with their motives. It would be particularly interesting/disturbing if TIM arranged for the indoctrination of his own people in order to accomplish his goals.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 06:29
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Remember that during the Prothean extinction part of the Reapers tactics was to use indoctrinated people to find and take out groups or bases.
I suspect that there is an element of this in Cerberus going zombie. All it would take is one functional indoctrinated Cerberus agent with access to TIM. Cerberus is so loyal to him personally he could send indoctrination devices similar to Object Rho to each facility and oops, Cerberus is now on the Reaper payroll.
I suspect that there is an element of this in Cerberus going zombie. All it would take is one functional indoctrinated Cerberus agent with access to TIM. Cerberus is so loyal to him personally he could send indoctrination devices similar to Object Rho to each facility and oops, Cerberus is now on the Reaper payroll.
