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[Dean_the_Young]

There should at least be some interesting cross-species STDs referred to.

[I AM KROGAAANNN]

Congratulations OP. You've just qualified for a upper-tier Cerberus rank!

No one cares about your alien-phobia. You can avoid the romances by selecting neutral options.

If you hate the game's inter-species romances, then don't buy it. You won't be missed.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Yeah, it probably wasn't a good idea to have any kind of oral contact with Thane before the final battle. Tripping while fighting Harbinger? Sweet dreams.

...Wait. Are we actually having a discussion about the plausibility of interspecies relationships in the ME universe, or is this a troll thread gone awry? Either way, the above statement stands.

[Terumitsu]

As best I can tell, it's a troll thread that went off the tracks and over the hill to rest gently in the pile of leaves under yon oak tree.

...and I think that metaphor got away from me.

But I have to say that personality is the main factor that I focus upon in any relationship; be it simply friendly or perhaps romantic as looks can vary even from day to day (i.e.: ever seen a bad makeup job?). It makes for a much more fulfiling connection, I think.

Also, I think someone earlier mentioned something about the lack of discrepency of tech? Funny thing about that is, logically, two different races would likely produce very similar results in respect to a particular product should both be at roughly equal technology level. This is based on the fact that both races are operating under the same set of laws (those being physics). So, a pitchfork will look reasonably like a pitchfork whever one goes and a gun will likely be recognizable as a gun. It might get a bit strange if one race or another has more thumbs than fingers but the pattern forming the product will be there.

[elearon1]

King Zeel wrote...

The option is ridiculous to begin with. Most of these aliens look nothing like humans, probably don't even have similar organs and yet my Shepard would want to shank them? Did I miss something? The time wasted on their romance paths could of been used elsewhere, like the HUMAN romances. Can't the aliens just be like good friends and stuff? Why did Bioware cross the line? hell, they ran over it repeatedly.

But this is all about your tastes, not the tastes of humanity or sentient life in general.  

Asari, by the very dominant philosophy of their race, seek out non Asari to mate with - so arguing against that doesn't work. (and just because *you* and those like you can't understand that line of thought doesn't make it unrealistic ... especially coming from an *alien* species)

There are already humans who are Pansexual - not discriminating against any sex or gender, but letting attraction build from emotional attraction first - so it isn't much of a leap from that to being attracted to aliens for their personalities.  

Are you, in fact, saying that you've never found an alien attractive enough to have sex with?  Twi'leks, Star Trek green women, Lilu from 5th element, etc?  Or, in most stories/games: Elves, Dwarves, Tieflings, demonettes, and so forth?  If that's true .. .well, I guess, good .. ish, for you.  But you're sexual preferences should not be the measuring stick against which romance in games should be decided. (especially considering a lot of people find the "different" to be - at least superficially - attractive and will prefer the option in their game)

*I* find Tali and Liara attractive, so why shouldn't my Shep be as open minded?  

[Eshaye]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

You know, it's most likely that the humans in ME are more representative of Canada, seeing as that's where the writers are from.

No, not really. Canadians are stereotyped as being easy to get along with and really lacking in international influence. The only real Canada joke in Mass Effect is the fact that Canada was annexed by the US.

You're asking for a serious slap with that one. If you mean by influence that no one hates us on sight, then yes you are right. 

[Trakarg]

The troll-fu is strong with this one.

[King Zeel]

NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SAYING.

You'll have to excuse my reply if I don't answer all your concerns but i stopped reading after the 7th reply that summed up my argument incorrectly. It's not that I'm a xenophobic, or a alien-hater or any of the crap you want to call me. It's that I don't understand why Bioware would waste so many resources on gluing together two people that are nonsensical together.


Where exactly is Garrus' relationship going? The gutter
Tali? The trash bin

The only feasible practical relationships involve humans. thats just the deal, folks!

Modifié par King Zeel, 20 juin 2011 - 11:17 .

[Eshaye]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

You're asking for a serious slap with that one. If you mean by influence that no one hates us on sight, then yes you are right. 

I mean a lot of things by it. I also said it was a stereotype.

Which has what to do with the thread exactly? Seriously leave it at the door. 

@King Zeel

And you don't understand that there's more to romance then eventual conception. 


ro·mance (r-mns, rmns)
n.
1.
a. A love affair.
b. Ardent emotional attachment or involvement between people; love: They kept the romance alive in their marriage for 35 years.
c. A strong, sometimes short-lived attachment, fascination, or enthusiasm for something: a childhood romance with the sea.
2. A mysterious or fascinating quality or appeal, as of something adventurous, heroic, or strangely beautiful: "These fine old guns often have a romance clinging to them" (Richard Jeffries).
3.
a. A long medieval narrative in prose or verse that tells of the adventures and heroic exploits of chivalric heroes: an Arthurian romance.
b. A long fictitious tale of heroes and extraordinary or mysterious events, usually set in a distant time or place.
c. The class of literature constituted by such tales.
4.
a. An artistic work, such as a novel, story, or film, that deals with sexual love, especially in an idealized form.
b. The class or style of such works.
5. A fictitiously embellished account or explanation: We have been given speculation and romance instead of the facts.
6. Music A lyrical, tender, usually sentimental song or short instrumental piece.
7. Romance The Romance languages.
adj.
Romance Of, relating to, or being any of the languages that developed from Latin, including Italian, French, Portuguese, Romanian, and Spanish.
v. (r-mns) ro·manced, ro·manc·ing, ro·manc·es
v.intr.
1. To invent, write, or tell romances.
2. To think or behave in a romantic manner.
v.tr. Informal
1. To make love to; court or woo.
2. To have a love affair with.


You'll notice that the sex is just one part of it all and no where does it mention having to be between one human to another, you can have a romance with a can of beans if that's your thing. In fact I'm having a long standing romance with vanilla lattes as of late. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 20 juin 2011 - 11:15 .

[Sister Helen]

Zemilious? Zimilious? Something like that?

[ms_sunlight]

leggywillow wrote...

King Zeel wrote...
When was sexing another species "cool"?

The defense rests.

I am sorry, I know I am not adding anything constructive here, but can I just say YOU WIN!!!

[CheeseEnchilada]

Okay, I'll bite.

OP, no one is listening because you used inflammatory language in your first post, and did not seem like you were looking for a response. It came across like a rant stating that your view is fact, and that combined with your sign-up date makes you seem like a troll. I'm not convinced you aren't one, for the matter.

As for your argument, you're using the words 'practical' and 'nonsensical' in reference to a sci-fi video game, where cultural views are clearly different and technology has dramatically advanced. Sexual compatibility isn't that big of a deal; it seems clear that all of the aliens Shepard can romance have compatible equipment. As for the other side-effects, these are things that can be avoided with caution.

And who are we to say anything about the emotional and cultural compatibility? The ME world is not ours. The aliens come across as quite human in emotions and motivations. There are differences, and I'm sure Shepard and his/her alien LI have a few awkward conversations. But there's enough in common to justify a relationship in this sort of setting, maybe even one that lasts. In that case, it's all about how you choose to play your Shepard. Everyone is different, and some may be able to handle the differences while others choose humans. There is no wrong choice here. One road might be more difficult than the other, but not impossible.

[King Zeel]

Eshaye wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eshaye wrote...

You're asking for a serious slap with that one. If you mean by influence that no one hates us on sight, then yes you are right. 

I mean a lot of things by it. I also said it was a stereotype.

Which has what to do with the thread exactly? Seriously leave it at the door. 

@King Zeel

And you don't understand that there's more to romance then eventual conception. 





You'll notice that the sex is just one part of it all and no where does it mention having to be between one human to another, you can have a romance with a can of beans if that's your thing. In fact I'm having a long standing romance with vanilla lattes as of late. 

Did you have to copy and paste the entire definition? jeez.

Listen guys, I  UNDERSTAND. trust me, I really do, but it's still not pratical. We have enough trouble with interracial dating and you're trying to tell me, aliens from different planets want to shack it up with Shepard? Naw, not buying it. It seems quite obvious to me that all the alien relationships were fanservice. all of them.

Modifié par King Zeel, 20 juin 2011 - 11:23 .

[Nashiktal]

Did you not listen to any of the talking in the background king zeel? Interspecies romance is VERY common in universe, and not just with Asari.

[ThatDancingTurian]

King Zeel wrote...

We have enough trouble with interracial dating

... Wow.

[King Zeel]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

We have enough trouble with interracial dating

... Wow.

Before the "HE-SO-RACIST". I meant, people have hard times crossing RACIAL boundaries let alone bucket-wearing boundaries. I am not against interracial dating.

 Infact, I plan to do each race atleast once.

[ThatDancingTurian]

Maybe word that a little differently next time, especially when you're drawing parallels to something you labeled 'disturbing' in the OP.

[Eshaye]

King Zeel wrote...

Did you have to copy and paste the entire definition? jeez.

Listen guys, I  UNDERSTAND. trust me, I really do, but it's still not pratical. We have enough trouble with interracial dating and you're trying to tell me, aliens from different planets want to shack it up with Shepard? Naw, not buying it. It seems quite obvious to me that all the alien relationships were fanservice. all of them.

Apparently I did. Since when is romance practical? The very essence of romance is that is it very much impractical, is that is makes virtually no sense but people still engage in it, still dream about it, still write about it, sing about it and invent improbable scenarios while they're at it. 

Because dreaming, supposing and living with infatuations of all kinds is one of the things that make us grow and learn more about ourselves. 

This is a sciene FICTION work, it's the art of dreaming in pixels which is a very human thing. You focus too much on the what and not enough on the why. 

As for your interracial comment it's not really worth commenting but since I'm here what the heck, do you not think there is a correlation here? Human vs alien relationship is a safe place to explore our own cultural differences. There wasn't a whole lot of that in ME2 is any, but it sure would be interesting if such issues were brought up in ME3. 

King Zeel wrote...

 Infact, I plan to do each race atleast once.

OMFG... How old are you? I see my attempts at explaining romance are completely lost on you. Oh well. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 21 juin 2011 - 12:02 .

[78stonewobble]

Hmmm

I see love as a by product of evolution. It "forces" us to care for our partner and our offspring. A little further out for our familiy (which carry genes allmost exactly like our own). Other feelings have other evolutionary backgrounds.

It's not a far stretch to imagine that evolution came up with sort of the same "incentive" for other beings on other worlds then.

So we end up with intelligent life from different planets being able to have some sort of feelings from everything from children to canned tuna (alien tuna). It's not a far stretch that aliens of different sorts could then end up feeling something for each other.

Besides... We know of how many out cross alien relationships out of how many tens of billions of sentient beings?

[King Zeel]

Eshaye wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

Did you have to copy and paste the entire definition? jeez.

Listen guys, I  UNDERSTAND. trust me, I really do, but it's still not pratical. We have enough trouble with interracial dating and you're trying to tell me, aliens from different planets want to shack it up with Shepard? Naw, not buying it. It seems quite obvious to me that all the alien relationships were fanservice. all of them.

Apparently I did. Since when is romance practical? The very essence of romance is that is it very much impractical, is that is makes virtually no sense but people still engage in it, still dream about it, still write about it, sing about it and invent improbable scenarios while they're at it. 

Because dreaming, supposing and living with infatuations of all kinds is one of the things that make us grow and learn more about ourselves. 

This is a sciene FICTION work, it's the art of dreaming in pixels which is a very human thing. You focus too much on the what and not enough on the why. 

As for your interracial comment it's not really worth commenting but since I'm here what the heck, do you not think there is a correlation here? Human vs alien relationship is a safe place to explore our own cultural differences. There wasn't a whole lot of that in ME2 is any, but it sure would be interesting if such issues were brought up in ME3. 

King Zeel wrote...

 Infact, I plan to do each race atleast once.

OMFG... How old are you? I see my attempts at explaining romance are completely lost on you. Oh well. 

No doubt older than you girly. You seem to have a very ideal view of human relationships. Sorry, its not' about riding in on a white horse and saving the princess from the evil Wizard. One of the main components, if not the structure of ALLLLLLLL relationships is
A. Sexual attraction.
B. The other stuff.


This whole thing about Commander Shepard finding Tali appealing, despite her having 3 fingers, her face not being visible and her entire body untouchable (l'est she die from an airborne infection, literally)

[ThatDancingTurian]

78stonewobble wrote...

Besides... We know of how many out cross alien relationships out of how many tens of billions of sentient beings?

I can't understand the rest of your post, so I'll just respond to this part. A significant number of known couples in the ME universe are cross-species, mostly with asari. This is probably in part because of the total lack of female models of any other race, though.

[Inspectre]

King Zeel wrote...

 Infact, I plan to do each race atleast once.

You're a very disgusting person.  I hope no woman ever considers talking to you.

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 21 juin 2011 - 12:19 .

[King Zeel]

Dragon XIX wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

 Infact, I plan to do each race atleast once.

You're a very disgusting person.  I hope no woman ever considers talking to you.

me too! LOL