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[JabberJaww]

Ok,

Is there a secret to making him a good tank? He drops so fast. Granted its early in the game, but wow, i keep pumping points into constitution, and he has desent armor. Constantly have to feed him health pots.

[Sunaya]

The secret is having a healer in your party. You might stumble across one when you visit the mage tower.

Also, don't dump TOO many points into constitution  It's a bit of a waste, since warriors get the most bonus hp upon leveling up.  Make sure Ali gets enough strength points (38) to wear high quality massive armor. Finally, try to get the Shield Wall talent as soon as you can, and never turn it off, haha.

Modifié par Sunaya, 20 novembre 2009 - 03:28 .

[Thalandor21]

You're probably using Taunt and Threaten and enemies are all targetting him... he'll drop fast if he's the only target ! Maybe don't use these skills at first so that other ppl in your party are also taking some damage, then when its appropriate, use Taunt. What I also found is that the yellow enemies in the mobs will still be very effective and damaging against alistair even with shield wall/defence active. It would help to keep them disabled as much as possible (stun, bash, freeze or knockdown talents). Just keep the yellow dude disabled, but kill the normal mobs quickly in the meantime. Once most of them are gone, dealing with the alphas is much easier...

[Sidney]

For Allistair to tank you need Shield Wall and Shield Tactics (which means you need 20 DEX). Tactics is critical since it eliminates the bonus that foes get for flanking him and that is what kills him so fast when the mobs get ahold of him.

[veryalien]

Getting on his good side unlocks con bonuses up to massive constitution bonus. Not sure how much that is but it probably helps.



I found 30-40 con is the right range for end game. That and massive armor on him.

[Star]

I gave him strength, dex and con, made sure I gave him gear that added to his stats (for example, since I was playing a rogue, I put him in the Dragon Armor) and constantly upgraded his weapons. I also gave him every sword and shield skill and the full templar specialization which was awesome at the end btw. Finally I also made sure that part of his tactics was to drink a health potion when he got to 25% health (although my healer generally made sure he didn't need to do this.) By the end of the game he was pretty tough (although my rogue was no slouch either!

Modifié par Star58, 13 décembre 2009 - 07:46 .

[AtreiyaN7]

I gave him Starfang, a shiny shield, and the Warden Commander armor - he's my pet tank. You just need to bump up his strength, dexterity & constitution. I don't think I upped his constitution by a huge amount, mostly strength & dexterity. I upped his shield talents (of course) and maxed out his templar skills. Let me tell you, being able to cleanse crushing prison and/or any DoTs should one of those *bleeping* emissaries cast it on you is very handy. Smite surprisingly useful as well (I also made his second class Champion).

[PdPstyle]

I gave him a high dex and const at first and then built up strength as a second thought, he can engage an entire room full of baddies for me and manage to take a few out before I roll in with the heavy hitters. Its been working very nicely for me

[XOGHunter246]

Alistair does not die with me i set him defensive at first till he has enough strength for tanking gear and then i put him aggressive setting his tactics correct stop him dying too and Dex. my Alistair has his highest hit at 180 lol and he has tank build guess it the hexes.
He never seems to die it mainly sten or leliana that might die

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 13 décembre 2009 - 09:01 .

[Gecon]

My Alistair has Con 13 (which is what he has at start). He's a great tank. For a good tank you need Strength 42 - in the very end, so he can wear best massive armors of the game, and Rest into Dexterity.

I dont touch any other Stat and I dont skill him any Templar stuff either until I have all defense stuff. Shield Wall most importantly.


P.s.: Oh and I use the mod that allows to configure your companions according to hearts content. So he gets Shield Wall and Taunt from the moment I get him. Without it you will take a lot more time to configure Alistair.

Modifié par Gecon, 13 décembre 2009 - 09:06 .

[brelrande]

I didnt put any points into Const. i alternated between str and dex, found with a high dex he never got hit much anyways so he didnt need much health. and the str was to wear the massive armors.

[swk3000]

I'd like some help making him a good Tank as well. I'm not worried about him dealing damage; I want him to soak it up. I plan to do something like this:



1. He needs 9 points to get his Dexterity up high enough to get Shield Mastery, so I'll focus on that first. His Strength will be stuck at 20 for those three levels, so I'll need to find Strength-boosting equipment to give him the really good stuff until I start boosting Strength.



2. After his Dexterity is at 26, I'll start with a 2 Strength, 1 Constitution point split until his Strength hits 42.



3. I'll dump the rest of his points into Constitution so he can survive longer.



That covers his stats. As for his Talents, I'm thinking something like this:



Powerful tree up to Bravery.

Precise Striking tree to Taunt

Shield Block to Shield Mastery

Shield Defense to Shield Expertise



Anything beyond that will just be a way to burn Talent points, including the Shield Bash line.



As for Spec, I plan to make him a Champion, simply because of the constant Attack and Defense boosts provided by Rally.



Tactic-wise, I'd probably set him up to keep Threaten active at all times, and I'm trying to figure out whether I want him to keep Shield Defense or Shield Wall active at all times alongside it. Once he hits Level 12, I'll also have him keep Rally active. Then, I'll probably give him a tactic that has him use Taunt as soon as it becomes available.



Can anyone offer any advice?

[LynxAQ]

Constitution is a pathetic and useless stat for ANY warrior, tank or dps.



Do not touch it! Strength to 42 max or 38 if you happy with the lower tier and the rest in dexterity. There is no better way to make your Alistair tank almost unhittable.

[LynxAQ]

You dont need constitution if you are almost unhittable.

[brelrande]

LynxAQ wrote...

Constitution is a pathetic and useless stat for ANY warrior, tank or dps.

Do not touch it! Strength to 42 max or 38 if you happy with the lower tier and the rest in dexterity. There is no better way to make your Alistair tank almost unhittable.

Agreed, a high Dex allows hits to miss, and be dodged, etc which in my opinion is much for valuable than being able to take lots of hits dew to a high health value. This also puts a lot less stress on  your healer.

[XOGHunter246]

physical resistant isn't pathetic but anyway try not to go over board with con as dex mean he won't get hit

[Atmosfear3]

swk3000 wrote...


That covers his stats. As for his Talents, I'm thinking something like this:

Powerful tree up to Bravery.
Precise Striking tree to Taunt
Shield Block to Shield Mastery
Shield Defense to Shield Expertise

You want to grab ALL the weapon+shield skills.  Bravery is not that amazing but Threaten and Taunt are the most important of those trees.

Also, spec Champion and Templar if your intent is to tank.  Those are by far the best though you really should invest points in those specs once you have finished all your shield talents.

[swk3000]

LynxAQ: Makes sense. I'll keep it in mind.



Atmosfear: I do intend to grab all the SnS skills eventually. Those are just the core. As for Bravery, you're right. For some reason, I thought it was a Defensive skill, not an offensive one. My mistake.



Alistair is already spec'd as a Templar, so I'll fill out his tree when the skills become available.

[XOGHunter246]

holy smite is a bit buggy does not drain mana >>

[Atmosfear3]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

holy smite is a bit buggy does not drain mana >>

The mana drain is inconsequential.  The stun and knockdown are what its really good for.

[urvshabon24]

I had a good run with him in the juggernaut armor. His templar resistances + jugger pan nicely I think.

[XOGHunter246]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

XOGHunter246 wrote...

holy smite is a bit buggy does not drain mana >>

The mana drain is inconsequential.  The stun and knockdown are what its really good for.

 yeah as my alistair does not have champion spec he uses that i made him berserker/templer instead of champion
I thought holy smite was meant to mana drain too.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 13 décembre 2009 - 11:02 .

[Titius.Vibius]

Alistair is a good tank just raise his constitution and strength but do not neglect willpower.

[rumination888]

If by "decent armor" you mean something that isn't massive armor, then no its not decent.

[Obadiah]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Smite surprisingly useful as well (I also made his second class Champion).

I too enjoy having him call in an airstrike from The Maker.