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[AdmiralCheez]

My Shepard is whatever the plot demands.

But also a freelancing cake decorator.

[marshalleck]

Everyone's Shepard is still Alliance. You don't have a choice.

[Raiil]

marshalleck wrote...

Everyone's Shepard is still Alliance. You don't have a choice.

One of the devs said you can RP against the Alliance, so we might yet.

[Labrev]

Posts like those in this thread really make me feel like ours is a total whiner's generation. I'll just take the first here:

TheMarshal wrote...
They pinned their hopes on Shepard being made a Spectre so that they could advance their position in the galaxy, then let her hang when it was politically expedient to do so.

TheMarshal wrote...
Shepard's likeness was used for
recruitment purposes for the Alliance after she died, right up until the
point where she ceased to be marketable.

Yes, welcome to the real world missy. Nobody appreciates you for what you are. We all have wants. It was you who enlisted and you who needs to work to prove your worth, not the other way around.

TheMarshal wrote...
They were lightning-quick to label her a traitor when Cerberus leaked to them that she was working for them.

Yeah, people who switch loyalties to the avowed enemy of those you used to be with, are generally considered "traitors." It doesn't matter what your intentions are.

And what did they even do about it? Answer: nothing.

The Alliance has every right to be peeved that you're working with Cerberus. It doesn't matter what you're doing, how do you expect them to feel when it turns out that you're alive and working for Cerberus? It makes them look kinda bad that you switched loyalties, and makes their enemy look good. Their enemy has a history of menacing with them, and you know it too. Still, you changed allegiances and are causing them way more problems than they are to you.

TheMarshal wrote...
How do you think Cerberus got the plans for the Normandy?

Cerberus moles in the Alliance.

TheMarshal wrote...
Or figured out that the VS was going to be stationed on Virmire?

Because TIM is an info-broker and so it's his job to know.

TheMarshal wrote...
So the fact that Admiral Hackett sends Shepard on a covert mission that, even if 100% successful, could still result in political fallout with the batarians, but ultimately winds up with Shepard taking the blame for what was effectively an Alliance incursion, and then effectively demands that she turn herself in...  Sorry Hackett.  I was happy to help you out all those times, and thanks for bringing in the fleet against Sovereign, but I sure as hell won't be wearing my 'dress blues' to that farce of a trial.

--> You chose to go. I know the story "forces" us to, but Shepard had no obligation to do it, but (s)he does. Be mad at Shepard for getting into that mess.
--> It's not an Alliance incursion if you went on your own initiative, as someone who claims to be 'done' with the Alliance.
--> You were the one responsible for what happened and it does no one any good for an Alliance-batarian conflict in the middle of a Reaper war. This is NOT about what the Alliance needs, it's about doing what has to be done.

[Labrev]

As for me: I'm just doing whatever the hell needs to be done. If they help me out, great. If they don't, whatever. If they get in my way, well.... for their own sake, they better not try it. Same as it was with the Council in ME1, and with Cerberus in ME2.

[TCBC_Freak]

My two main Shep's are pro-Alliance all the way. Soldiers born and raised, either folks were Alliance (Fem-Shep) or the Alliance is the only reason I ain't dead or a Batarian slave (Male-Shep). I will serve humanity and the Alliance isn't the problem, just some of the higher ups are a-holes; no reason to abandon what we stand for.

Also as an aside I think it'd be awesome if Cerberus is splintered into two groups and they are fighting against each other. Reaper slaves (lead by indoctrinated TIM) and a side still true to Cerberus and what it stands for (Lead by Miranda maybe...or even her father! Whoever he is??).

[FrozenShadow]

My Shepard has reclaimed Spectre status, but he is not with Council. They are idiots and sometimes my Shep wonders why he even saved their scaly asses. But still he'll try to drag them to victory, even if he needs to do it all alone and against their "better" judgement.

My Shep is not with Alliance any longer. Best way to put it, Alliance declared him dead and let's keep it that way. He will help and/or work with Alliance, but only because their are needed against Reapers. In general, he believes that human are just equal part of galactic community.

My Shep is anti-Cerberus. Only reason he even worked with Cerberus was Reaper threat. But he still did all he could to make Illusive Man's life hell. And destroying Collector base was glorious way to make his resignation. My Shep had earned all the enmity from Cerberus.

All in all my Shep is loyal to only thing, saving the galaxy from the Reapers by hook or by crook.

[Razored1313]

My Shepard first started out amazed by the alliance, both her parents served and she wished to as well. And she did so happily for a few years, until akuze. Then she had seen the dangers her life had and matured past the image of being a soldier. up until the prothean beacon she never had to deal with the council. After becoming a Spectre she had seen how the chain of command really handled things and that humans were second class citizens to the council. Despite this, she saved their lives and later lost hers, only to reawaken years later to discover she had been thrown under the bus. She was furious with the council for casting her off as a madwoman, and the alliance for doing nothing! She threw her Spectre title back at them and quit. And she hated Cerberus as well but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" after telling him off too, she decided to be a rogue agent, disillusioned with military life

[Wulfram]

My Shepard is loyal to the alliance, and to her duty as a council spectre.

Maybe some day those loyalties will conflict, but she sees making sure they don't as part of her job.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

My cannon Shepard want's Alliance to think that he is on their side. In fact, he just wants necessary resources to get the job done.

[Skirata129]

No. Cerberus, whatever Bioware is trying to get us to think now.

[TheMarshal]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

--> You chose to go. I know the story "forces" us to, but Shepard had no obligation to do it, but (s)he does. Be mad at Shepard for getting into that mess.
--> It's not an Alliance incursion if you went on your own initiative, as someone who claims to be 'done' with the Alliance.
--> You were the one responsible for what happened and it does no one any good for an Alliance-batarian conflict in the middle of a Reaper war. This is NOT about what the Alliance needs, it's about doing what has to be done.

I didn't go in of my own initiative.  I went in because Dr. Kenson getting captured was probably going to be enough to start a war between the Hegemony and the Alliance.  I went in because Hackett asked me to.  Dr. Kenson's presence in that system in the first place was part of an Alliance incursion, by the way, so even if I hadn't gone in, there'd still be the potential for war.  The wiki about the assignment confirms that.

My point is that they chose Shepard for the operation because they knew that if she failed they could hang the whole thing around her neck and keep their hands clean.  Quite the 'thank you' to the person who's essentially responsible for saving the Citadel and getting humanity a seat on the council.

As for the Normandy plans falling into Cerberus hands, how high up the food chain do you think someone would have to be in order to have access to those plans?  Captain?  Admiral?  I'm willing to bet that more than one high-ranking Alliance officer is working for Cerberus, which means that the Alliance is at least partially run by Cerberus, which is another reason not to trust them.

I'll show up for the trial.  I'd wait until it became obvious that the Hegemony was going to start a war first, but I'd show up.  Hell, I'll take it one further and say that I won't even out the fact that Kenson was in that system on Alliance business, or that the Alliance asked me to go in after her in the first place.  Just don't expect me to rep the Alliance while doing so.

Regarding 'for the greater good' in general, there has to be a balance between the self and the greater good.  Unless you wanted to be geth, that is.  If you give yourself over completely to being controlled by others, sacrificing your individuality for the 'greater good', then you've lost your entire sense of self, and you may as well have rolled over for the Reapers.  The problem that I have with the Alliance is the same problem I have with Cerberus (more specifically TIM).  They want/expect you to give up everything about yourself for the 'greater good', except that they're not willing to do the same.  TIM talks about sacrifices having to be made, and does so while sitting in the comfort and safety of his anonymous position in the galaxy.  The Alliance latches onto any rising star to try and advance their own purposes, but when push comes to shove they aren't willing to back up a single one of the people that got them there.

[rpgfan321]

You know... I think I want my Shepard to give that long awaited interview with Emily Wong to decide who s/he will stay with. That would be cool to have a personal interview with one of the most famous Spectre after saving everyone's butts in denial.

But I think Frodo said it best when some hurts goes too deep and time can't ever seem to heal it.
At this point, I don't care who I'm aligned with. I just want the Reapers gone. Still, Alliance did hurt my Shepard's ego and reputation. There is no way I'll just go happily waltzing to them and accept them with an open heart. Or Cerberus since they were out to kill Shepard....

Oh hells, I'm freelance. ^^

[procyon8]

TheMarshal wrote...

I didn't go in of my own initiative.  I went in because Dr. Kenson getting captured was probably going to be enough to start a war between the Hegemony and the Alliance.  I went in because Hackett asked me to.  Dr. Kenson's presence in that system in the first place was part of an Alliance incursion, by the way, so even if I hadn't gone in, there'd still be the potential for war.  The wiki about the assignment confirms that.

My point is that they chose Shepard for the operation because they knew that if she failed they could hang the whole thing around her neck and keep their hands clean.  Quite the 'thank you' to the person who's essentially responsible for saving the Citadel and getting humanity a seat on the council.

As for the Normandy plans falling into Cerberus hands, how high up the food chain do you think someone would have to be in order to have access to those plans?  Captain?  Admiral?  I'm willing to bet that more than one high-ranking Alliance officer is working for Cerberus, which means that the Alliance is at least partially run by Cerberus, which is another reason not to trust them.

I'll show up for the trial.  I'd wait until it became obvious that the Hegemony was going to start a war first, but I'd show up.  Hell, I'll take it one further and say that I won't even out the fact that Kenson was in that system on Alliance business, or that the Alliance asked me to go in after her in the first place.  Just don't expect me to rep the Alliance while doing so.

Regarding 'for the greater good' in general, there has to be a balance between the self and the greater good.  Unless you wanted to be geth, that is.  If you give yourself over completely to being controlled by others, sacrificing your individuality for the 'greater good', then you've lost your entire sense of self, and you may as well have rolled over for the Reapers.  The problem that I have with the Alliance is the same problem I have with Cerberus (more specifically TIM).  They want/expect you to give up everything about yourself for the 'greater good', except that they're not willing to do the same.  TIM talks about sacrifices having to be made, and does so while sitting in the comfort and safety of his anonymous position in the galaxy.  The Alliance latches onto any rising star to try and advance their own purposes, but when push comes to shove they aren't willing to back up a single one of the people that got them there.

Quoted for truth, justice and the American Way! ™ 

I couldn't have put it any better myself. Both groups suck, they can all go **** themselves in my opinion. I demand the ability to form my own army, with blackjack, and hookers! 

[Zubie]

My Shepard isn't going to go rogue just because a few of the Alliance brass are jerks. C'mon people. The Alliance will have his back, can guarantee you that. Also, Shepard supposedly "died" and came back 2 years later working for their enemy. What were they supposed to think?

Modifié par easygame88, 26 juin 2011 - 09:22 .

[Cypher0020]

Siobhan's first loyalty is to the Council as a Spectre, secondly Alliance. She's not exactly a fan of the Alliance nor Cerberus, but rather the good of all races

more of a renegon than anything...

[LexRage]

Is (your) Shepard still Alliance?

No ! He's for da Horde !

...

Seriously, no. My Shep is a free-lance now.

[Cypher0020]

I'm retracting my earlier statement

My Shep (one of them anyways ) supports Team Normandy! Y' know.. the crews of SR1 and SR2... that risked their lives/fought beside her.....and know the true dangers of the Reaper threat

they don't accuse or judge, although she values their opinions, they follow her and she follows them, like a team

[LOLandStuff]

As much as I'd like for my Shepard to mind her own Spectre business and save the Galaxy, I doubt the Alliance will leave her in peace.
I was really pissed when I kept hearing in ME and ME2 on the news the Alliance taking credit for all my hard work when I spent my time doing all those side quests.
I guess Shepard will always be considered Alliance whether he/she likes it or not. As long as you're useful to them.

[masseffect5]

100% maybe my shepard has had rough times but every chance he gets he helps the aliance so in me3 i thing they will be on good terms

[Dean_the_Young]

procyon8 wrote...

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Quoted for truth, justice and the American Way! ™ 

Is not sure whether to applaud for top parody points or not.

[Time4Tiddy]

I will be interested to hear why Kaidan/Ash decided to stick with the Alliance and how they feel it's changed/evolved. That will definitely impact my decision. I admit in my canon playthrough I was taking every opportunity to slip intel to the Alliance about Cerberus activities, mainly because I can't stand Cerberus no matter how renegade I play, so any of my saves will show me pro-Alliance anyway when they xfer through.