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You know what good romance scene none of us are going to get? Right before Shepard goes to trial.


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

No, the player had no choice. Shepard did, but every Shepard in the canonical multiverse chooses to nuke a relay.

Sort of like how every Shepard stops the Reapers in ME1, no matter how much the player might not want to.


Incorrect. Shepard had no choice due to getting knocked out so frequently all other options were taken away from him. He can try and warn the colonists, but gets knocked out. At no point is Shepard required to be fine with killing 300k colonists. His choice is no choice at  all.

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That would be awesome. Sadly, probably not going to happen, because if the Tali romance (or really, the presence of romances with subordinates at all) showed us anything, it's that plausibility seems to take a back seat to fanservice in Mass Effect's depiction of relationships. But still awesome.

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No, the player had no choice. Shepard did, but every Shepard in the canonical multiverse chooses to nuke a relay.

Sort of like how every Shepard stops the Reapers in ME1, no matter how much the player might not want to.


Incorrect. Shepard had no choice due to getting knocked out so frequently all other options were taken away from him. He can try and warn the colonists, but gets knocked out. At no point is Shepard required to be fine with killing 300k colonists. His choice is no choice at  all.

I never said Shepard had to be fine with it: only that Shepard willingly did it.

Now, Shepard's intent to save the colonists might have failed. The player's ability to NOT activate the project was certainly removed. Was it even a fair  choice? Irrelevant, really: the better option or not, Shepard still activated the project.

But did Shepard willingly kill 300,000 Batarians? Yes. Yes Shepard did.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

I never said Shepard had to be fine with it: only that Shepard willingly did it.


The quote of mine you started commenting to was in relation to Shepard being 'fine' with it.

And I'd still argue that he willingly killed them. He could do so with the intent of trying to save them. Had the frequent knockouts not happened, he likely would have succeded in doing so. It wasn't his choice to get knocked out either time.

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Shepard can choose to not activate the project, you just have to let the countdown reach zero. There's a special cutscene and everything =)

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What is with people's addiction to tali dying?

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randomchasegurney wrote...

What is with people's addiction to tali dying?


I think it's because Tali is The Woobie of the Mass Effect series. ;)

Back on topic, I'm sure that Bioware is tempted to dive right into ME3 with the immediate invasion of Earth, so that the players will have a great, high-adrenaline opening sequence, especially since every new game of ME3 will (supposedly) start with a "recap" of Shepard's history, or a "choose-you-own-adventure" Genesis-style comic that will allow new players to create a unique Shepard. After that lovely introduction, I'm sure that lots of players will be itchign to see some action. And I can understand this.

But I think a parting scene between Shepard and the ME2 crew would be nice. If my old friends from ME2 (and, more importantly, my love-interest) has absconded to parts unknown before ME3 begins, I'll definitely feel abandoned.

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

It would teach people to not take advantage of poor girls who are obviously not thinking straight.


There should be a law against making any major decisions while being intoxicated on hormonal secretions...



Dangerous choices yes,  strictly speaking...  it's almost like willingly sleeping with someone with a severe std just for the <3's.  It's dumb,  its wrong,  and I feel horribly sorry for any Tali that was put through it.




I'd feel worse for Shepard sleeping with Jack. That's pretty much guaranteeing a severe STD, and a pair of crushed balls Image IPB

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DoNotIngest wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

It would teach people to not take advantage of poor girls who are obviously not thinking straight.


There should be a law against making any major decisions while being intoxicated on hormonal secretions...



Dangerous choices yes,  strictly speaking...  it's almost like willingly sleeping with someone with a severe std just for the <3's.  It's dumb,  its wrong,  and I feel horribly sorry for any Tali that was put through it.




I'd feel worse for Shepard sleeping with Jack. That's pretty much guaranteeing a severe STD, and a pair of crushed balls Image IPB



Aww look at you using idle speculation against reality as it's presented in the game. 

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AngelicMachinery wrote...
Aww look at you using idle speculation against reality as it's presented in the game. 



Indeed. It must be rubbing off Image IPB

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Interesting idea. Honestly, I'd take something like that over an action sequence with lots of explosions, but I'm probably in a minority there.

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Liec wrote...

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It's a shame that we most likely won't see a pre-trial/pre-arrest scene with the LI. I wish it would have one, if not just for dramatic effect then to establish where the relationship stands and what happened between them off-screen.

The game is set a half year to a year after the last one, so my biggest worry for the LIs is that they'll be in a complete limbo for all that time with no explanation. For instance, Shepard will have never responded to the VS' mail for a whole year, or Shepard will have spent a whole year never deciding whether or not the relationship with Garrus was just 'easing tension' or something more... And then ME3 takes place and they're talking about it like it happened yesterday.


The game is set 6 to 12 months after ME2, but that doesn't mean Shepard was arrested after that time had passed and then put on trial right away.

What I think could happen is that she was arrested shortly after Arrival, and then she was interrogated for months about what happened with the Relay and her link to Cerberus, which is what Alliance officials want to do according to that email to Hackett in LotSB. There could then be a timeskip to some months later to the trial. That'd explain why the squadmates are scattered all over and how the Alliance had time to upgrade the Normandy.

If so then Shepard's relationships could just continue from where they left off without making assumptions as to what happened offcamera for a year :?.

Arrival is still supposedly set a few months after ME2 (which makes the ability to play it before the SM really silly, but there you go). That's still enough time to have passed for it to be weird if Shepard hasn't responded or moved forward with the LI.

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You mean like a prison shower scene?

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No, the player had no choice. Shepard did, but every Shepard in the canonical multiverse chooses to nuke a relay.

Sort of like how every Shepard stops the Reapers in ME1, no matter how much the player might not want to.


Incorrect. Shepard had no choice due to getting knocked out so frequently all other options were taken away from him. He can try and warn the colonists, but gets knocked out. At no point is Shepard required to be fine with killing 300k colonists. His choice is no choice at  all.

I never said Shepard had to be fine with it: only that Shepard willingly did it.

Now, Shepard's intent to save the colonists might have failed. The player's ability to NOT activate the project was certainly removed. Was it even a fair  choice? Irrelevant, really: the better option or not, Shepard still activated the project.

But did Shepard willingly kill 300,000 Batarians? Yes. Yes Shepard did.


The player had the ability to not activate it. They just need to wait until the timer runs out.

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"Sorry, Virmire Survivor: you may never get a real chance to reconcile, to understand why, Shepard did what Shepard had to do."
 
I don't think that the VS gives a rat's furry hind end about what happens to Shepard. They wrote him off after Horizon and accused him of being a traitor both personally and professionally.
 
As for blowing the relay, that's what I would have done in the same circumstances. I would have tried to warn the Batarians about what was coming as well.
 
Regarding the trial, I really don't know where BioWare's head is at. I've seen the leaked betas and there is nothing there that would indicate that anything bad happened to Shepard. He's in an open room staring out of a window with a data pad in his hand. I expected him to be doing heavy labor using a sledge hammer to break big rocks into little rocks. Whether it is still like that in the release is anybody's guess, but if I were the Batarians and they did that with Shepard there would be a war.
 
If you cut a man loose and charge him as a terrorist and try him, that's one thing. But to ground him and keep him out of circulation until all the bad press blows over, that's tacit approval and a cover up. The Batarian prison had cameras all over the place and there was a two day lag before the relay was blown. How much do you want to bet that the photos were sent to Batarian intel to determine who broke into a secret prison that nobody should have known about?
 
That would have resulted in contacts to both the Citadel and the Alliance to find out what they knew, when they knew it, and what their intentions are toward the Batarians. With Anderson off of the Council and Udina in, do you really believe that the Council would have Shepard's back? If Hackett were serious about the "grave" consequences during the de-brief, the Alliance would roast Shepard as well with the happy assistance of the VS who would believe that Shepard was getting what he so richly deserved. Why should they expend millions of lives for who they believe to be a terrorist nut case?
 
I knew that I would be signing my own arrest warrant as soon as I pressed the button on the Project and Shepard should have known it as well. Nobody believes that the Reapers are real, the galaxy's opinion is that Shepard is nuts, TIM has been spreading lies about him like manure in order to undermine trust, and even the VS survivor who knows him best believes him to be a fraud and a liar. That has "sacrificial lamb" written all over it.
 
Let's see if BioWare takes the story where Arrival was willing to go and actually makes Shepard pay for his actions or see if they are just going to sugar coat it and go from there. Remember the Kodiak that lifted off at the end of Arrival? How much do you want to bet you will see them again as witnesses against you regaling the court with tales of how you lost it and murdered Kinson, them, and 300,000 Batarians because of your delusions about the "Reapers."
 
And before anybody says how are they going to cover up the fact that they had converted an asteroid into a mobile platform, all they have to do is to agree that they found what they thought was a "Reaper" relic, but that it turned out to be a mobile platform with a powerful mass accelerator weapon on it like the one that made the graze mark on Klendagon and that you (Shepard) kept insisting that it was actually Reaper tech and destroyed it and the relay as they tried desperately to stop your rampage. That would explain the communication with Hackett and explain why they were in Batarian space. Then all they would have to do is to claim that the Batarians could not be allowed to get their hands on the weapon and that Kinson was caught while trying to get to an Alliance contact in order to clarify what they had found when she was captured by the Batarians. Given the VS reaction to you and that of the Council, who do you think the Alliance will believe?
 
Regarding my ME2 LI, you damn skippy I would take the opportunity to have a night with her before heading off to my own conviction and I would relieve the Cerberus crew as well before the Alliance got their hands on the SR-2. Further, I would order EDI to delete all references to them in her archives and to turn over the rest of the Cerberus data to the Alliance. When the Alliance boarded the Normandy, they would find only myself aboard her.
 
Hope they have Marlboro cigarettes at Fort Leavenworth.

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Knightnblu is absolutely correct. Shepard knew he was signing his own death warrant the moment he launched the asteroid. His only hope for a reprieve is that the Reapers show up before he gets shown the airlock of a Batarian cruiser.

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Mims wrote...

It'd also like for it to be clear as to whether or not Shepard willingly goes to trial, or if Shepard is dragged there. It doesn't seem like the sort of thing renegade Shepard would report to.

 

Perhaps depending on whether you were "renegade" or "paragon" in ME2 will decide that?  Would be pretty cool to see.


Nah I think it's Renegade to grimly sacrifice yourself to help the war effort.

Not really. It depends on why you're sacrificing yourself.

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Mims wrote...
It'd also like for it to be clear as to whether or not Shepard willingly goes to trial, or if Shepard is dragged there. It doesn't seem like the sort of thing renegade Shepard would report to.

I'd like mine dragged in Hannible Lecter style myself.

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