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[TMA LIVE]

One of the things I really want in ME3 is the chance to have a second chance to romance Liara/Kaidan/Ash in ME3, if you didn't romance them in the first game. Some people like myself don't like romancing them in the first game, because they didn't feel right at the time. They don't match well with their current Shepard, or simply want to start out as friends, and maybe romance them in a later game. Or in the case of Liara, they didn't like her in the first game, but love her after LOTSB. Because of this, I'm hoping for the chance to have a non-romance Shepard, who didn't romance anyone in ME1 and ME2, to tell Liara in ME3 "Is it too late for love?"

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 juin 2011 - 12:02 .

[Wittand25]

I really hope that this will be possible and actually think that the chances are not bad for it to happen.

Since before Genesis a new Shepard in ME2 was always single there are a lot of safegames with a not romanced VS and Liara.
And even from a writing point of view the three year long break between ME1 and ME3 would make it easy to write a romance in a way that it suits both as continuing of an existing romance as well as a new romance.

[catabuca]

i really hope this is an option. as wittand25 says, there are going to be a lot of sheps who never had the opportunity to romance the VS or liara in the first game anyway if they came straight to me2, not to mention those who hold out hope for the VS as a bi option.

it could pose a really interesting opportunity to develop their characters, having them come to romance late in the trilogy, putting an entirely different slant on their relationship with shep in light of the imminent danger facing them, and with them able to reflect on all they went through together over the past few years. if done well, letting the VS and liara be romanced for the first time in me3 could be really, really exceptional.

[mineralica]

I find the fact that default VS is determined by Shepard's gender very suspicious. If they were just intended to return into squad in ME3, it'd be logical to save one dependent on a balance of classes. Or just let us determine who survived in similar manner as with new Councilor - but no, it's done as if we didn't know all odds yet.

Modifié par mineralica, 20 juin 2011 - 01:20 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

My Shepard said no. She meant no. If Kaidan and Liara start hitting on her again, I'm going to beat my head against the wall.

I love Kaidan to death, Liara I'm iffy about, but can I play this game without them trying to get in Shepards pants half the time. Or anyone for that matter. I picked one romance, and he should be the only one, and even then, I don't want it taking up half the game.

If Shepard initiates the flirting, then I'm cool, I just won't select the option and I will play my game in ignorant bliss of Kaidan and Liara trying again at Shepard.

[shepskisaac]

Many people wonder if this will be possible (also with Tali & Garrus if they survived SM). Personally I'm not really sure. They would have to incorporate romance dialogues from the previous games, or write some new ones. But maybe?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juin 2011 - 01:29 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

mineralica wrote...

I find the fact that default VS is determined by Shepard's gender very suspicious. If they were just intended to return into squad in ME3, it'd be logical to save one dependent on a balance of classes. Or just let us determine who survived in similar manner as with new Councilor - but no, it's done as if we didn't know all odds yet.

Do we know this for a fact?  I know we saw Kaidan in a promotional image for ME3 with a male Shepard, I just didn't know if they were going to be chosen by default according to Shepard's gender (if making a new Shepard in ME3).  If so, that's a bummer.  Because it makes the odds of being able to romance Kaidan as a Male Shepard like ZERO.

Anyway, I would like to start a new romance with them in ME3, but it seems like they'd have to dedicate a lot of resources to two different romances.  Eh, maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 20 juin 2011 - 01:33 .

[shepskisaac]

RinjiRenee wrote...

mineralica wrote...

I find the fact that default VS is determined by Shepard's gender very suspicious. If they were just intended to return into squad in ME3, it'd be logical to save one dependent on a balance of classes. Or just let us determine who survived in similar manner as with new Councilor - but no, it's done as if we didn't know all odds yet.

Do we know this for a fact?  I know we saw Kaidan in a promotional image for ME3 with a male Shepard, I just didn't know if they were going to be chosen by default according to Shepard's gender (if making a new Shepard in ME3).  If so, that's a bummer.

This. I think they were default in ME2 if you didn't play comic or import save, but there'll be a comic integrated into ME3 from the beggining this time so everyone will be able to chose.

[Rinji the Bearded]

IsaacShep wrote...
This. I think they were default in ME2 if you didn't play comic or import save, but there'll be a comic integrated into ME3 from the beggining this time so everyone will be able to chose.

We can only hope!   Even if not for romancing purposes, one might choose one VS over the other merely for tactical reasons.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 20 juin 2011 - 01:40 .

[Robhuzz]

I suppose with all the 'new' ME3 players in mind (Weird people playing only ME3 but not ME1 and 2) and BioWare still wanting everything to be 'fair' they'll have no choice but to add the possibility of starting a new romance with old characters in ME3. This could easily be fixed by forcing a newly created Shepard to select a romance (or select you don't have a romance) before starting the game (like another genesis comic) but I'm not holding my breath.

To be quite honest I don't like the idea, at least not for everyone. I'd hate how characters you (gently or bluntly) turned down in ME1 would all give you a 2nd chance as if nothing had happened. If anything I'd like for certain characters to potentially give you a 2nd chance (depending on how you treated them) but others to refuse, saying 'You've had your chance'.

[commander_chung]

Dunno if it's been asked somewhere else but does romancing Kelly affect your relationship status with ashley in ME2 for ME3

[shepskisaac]

Robhuzz wrote...

I suppose with all the 'new' ME3 players in mind (Weird people playing only ME3 but not ME1 and 2) and BioWare still wanting everything to be 'fair' they'll have no choice but to add the possibility of starting a new romance with old characters in ME3. This could easily be fixed by forcing a newly created Shepard to select a romance (or select you don't have a romance) before starting the game (like another genesis comic) but I'm not holding my breath.

To be quite honest I don't like the idea, at least not for everyone. I'd hate how characters you (gently or bluntly) turned down in ME1 would all give you a 2nd chance as if nothing had happened. If anything I'd like for certain characters to potentially give you a 2nd chance (depending on how you treated them) but others to refuse, saying 'You've had your chance'.

So all romances with old LIs would start with the assumption you've turned them down? Hmmm. But then again, VS, Liara, Tali, Garrus make up for 4 romances already that would not only have to be written for new players (romances from scratch) but existing ones as well (continued romances). Can't really see how could they use many of the same lines in both cases, it would have to be 2 rather different romance plots. Then we don't know if Miranda, Thane, Jacob and Jack return. If at least 2 do return, that would be 6 LIs already. And then there'll be new LIs. I'm thinking it's just too much work to allow romances with old characters that you previously turned down already.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juin 2011 - 02:33 .

[Robhuzz]

commander_chung wrote...

Dunno if it's been asked somewhere else but does romancing Kelly affect your relationship status with ashley in ME2 for ME3

It shouldn't. You don't receive the paramour achievement for having a little fling with Kelly. I don't think this is even called a romance. Liara doesn't call out on you if you had dinner with Kelly either so I don't think it's even treated as a romance.

So all romances with old LIs would start with the assumption you've turned them down? Hmmm. But then again, VS, Liara, Tali, Garrus make up for 4 romances already that would not only have to be written for new players (romances from scratch) but existing ones as well (continued romances). Can't really see how could they use many of the same lines in both cases, it would have to be 2 rather different romance plots. Then we don't know if Miranda, Thane, Jacob and Jack return. If at least 2 do return, that would be 6 LIs already. And then there'll be new LIs. I'm thinking it's just too much work to allow romances with old characters that you previously turned down already.

I hadn't even thought about all the extra work BW would have to put in to alter these 'new' romances. As you said it would be very awkward if a romance that started 5 minutes ago (ME time) was treated the same way as a romance that's been going for 2,5 - 3 years (Romancing Liara in my case). So they'd definitely need to write 2 completely different romance paths for every character to make it believable. Better to not allow new romances with old characters imo..

Modifié par Robhuzz, 20 juin 2011 - 02:41 .

[commander_chung]

I didn't think it did but I wanted to be sure. Thanks

[Rune-Chan]

I sincerely doubt they wouldn't make it impossible to start a new romance considering the are also introducing new ones, it would be extremely idiotic if it was.

[Wittand25]

IsaacShep wrote...
So all romances with old LIs would start with the assumption you've turned them down? Hmmm. But then again, VS, Liara, Tali, Garrus make up for 4 romances already that would not only have to be written for new players (romances from scratch) but existing ones as well (continued romances). Can't really see how could they use many of the same lines in both cases, it would have to be 2 rather different romance plots. Then we don't know if Miranda, Thane, Jacob and Jack return. If at least 2 do return, that would be 6 LIs already. And then there'll be new LIs. I'm thinking it's just too much work to allow romances with old characters that you previously turned down already.

Not all romances. There is little reason to allow to start a new romance with not permanent former LIs.

And while I agree that the ME2 LIs would need a lot of extra work since there is not that much time between ME2 and ME3 and therefore a new romance would move at a different pace than a continued one, the same is not true for the VS (and to a lesser extend Liara)
The possible LIs from ME1 saw Shepard dieing, believed him dead for two years and have not spoken much with Shepard in the three years (or more) between the end of ME1 and the start of ME3. So a romance with them will start slow and they will most likely insist that they need time to get to know Shepard again. So basically the same romance can be used by just having a special starting conversation suiting the situation:
romanced/faithful (Good to be back together, but let´s take it slow.)
romanced/cheated (Me or her,I need time to feel close to you again.)
not romanced (Why did you not say something all those years ago?)
The rest of the dialog could be the same for all three possible scenarios so the amount of extra dialog would be small and all the cut-scenes could be used saving even more resources.

[TMA LIVE]

Robhuzz wrote...

I suppose with all the 'new' ME3 players in mind (Weird people playing only ME3 but not ME1 and 2) and BioWare still wanting everything to be 'fair' they'll have no choice but to add the possibility of starting a new romance with old characters in ME3. This could easily be fixed by forcing a newly created Shepard to select a romance (or select you don't have a romance) before starting the game (like another genesis comic) but I'm not holding my breath.

To be quite honest I don't like the idea, at least not for everyone. I'd hate how characters you (gently or bluntly) turned down in ME1 would all give you a 2nd chance as if nothing had happened. If anything I'd like for certain characters to potentially give you a 2nd chance (depending on how you treated them) but others to refuse, saying 'You've had your chance'.

I don't really consider it wrong, since it's 3 years later. If you treated them like crap, maybe (Tali says hi), but nothing we can do about that. But for those that simply wanted to stay friends, had a fun and caring friendship, and then 3 years later, Shepard wants to pop the question, I don't think it's a bad thing at all. Like real life, people change, and change their minds.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 juin 2011 - 05:41 .

[goofyomnivore]

I'd be all for this, and would love for the same thing with Miranda. Especially if you picked the "maybe we can get together after we save the galaxy" dialogue.

However I don't think they're going to make romances this nuanced. Since romances are only a fraction of the game. They'll leave that stuff up to fanfiction/imagination.

[Robhuzz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

I suppose with all the 'new' ME3 players in mind (Weird people playing only ME3 but not ME1 and 2) and BioWare still wanting everything to be 'fair' they'll have no choice but to add the possibility of starting a new romance with old characters in ME3. This could easily be fixed by forcing a newly created Shepard to select a romance (or select you don't have a romance) before starting the game (like another genesis comic) but I'm not holding my breath.

To be quite honest I don't like the idea, at least not for everyone. I'd hate how characters you (gently or bluntly) turned down in ME1 would all give you a 2nd chance as if nothing had happened. If anything I'd like for certain characters to potentially give you a 2nd chance (depending on how you treated them) but others to refuse, saying 'You've had your chance'.

I don't really consider it wrong, since it's 3 years later. If you treated them like crap, maybe (Tali says hi), but nothing we can do about that. But for those that simply wanted to stay friends, had a fun and caring friendship, and then 3 years later, Shepard wants to pop the question, I don't think it's a bad thing at all. Like real life, people change, and change their minds.

While I agree this is true for some characters, it can't be said about everyone. Lots of people in this situation would move on with their lives instead of thinking about what might have been. To me the same goes for a lot of romance options in ME1 and ME2. Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Jack and possibly Thane, also judging from Miranda's shadow broker information she appears quite picky, I doubt she'd give you another chance except if you choose the option to wait until after you've saved the galaxy.

I do not for a moment think Liara doesn't have any romantic feelings for you any more by the time of Lotsb, wether she'd still be willing to push for romantic involvement judging from what's happening in ME3, I doubt it. Tali is crazy about manshep so she might also be another option. Jacob I'm not sure about, while playing a femshep character I talked to him as little as possible (those with female characters will know why).

Since BW at least tries to consider each romance 'equal' what happens to one character (should) happens to the other. So rather than going completely out of character with certain LI's, I'd rather see no option to romance a previously rejected LI in ME3.

[ERJAK1]

The thing that gets me is just how INSANE romances are going to be in this game. I mean you have what, 9 romances between the 2 genders, on top of that you have at least one more romance being added for the same sex. Then you have romances that need to be rekindled from the first game. Then you have romances that need to be present from the second game regardless of what the characters responsibility is. THEN you have to make dialogue for all the start fresh romances, then you have to cover every possible permutation of every decision in everygame.

I mean dam

Modifié par ERJAK1, 20 juin 2011 - 06:54 .

[kumquats]

ERJAK1 wrote...

The thing that gets me is just how INSANE romances are going to be in this game. I mean you have what, 9 romances between the 2 genders, on top of that you have at least one more romance being added for the same sex. Then you have romances that need to be rekindled from the first game. Then you have romances that need to be present from the second game regardless of what the characters responsibility is. THEN you have to make dialogue for all the start fresh romances, then you have to cover every possible permutation of every decision in everygame.

I mean dam

This is going to be crazy. I love it!

[mineralica]

IsaacShep wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

mineralica wrote...

I find the fact that default VS is determined by Shepard's gender very suspicious. If they were just intended to return into squad in ME3, it'd be logical to save one dependent on a balance of classes. Or just let us determine who survived in similar manner as with new Councilor - but no, it's done as if we didn't know all odds yet.

Do we know this for a fact?  I know we saw Kaidan in a promotional image for ME3 with a male Shepard, I just didn't know if they were going to be chosen by default according to Shepard's gender (if making a new Shepard in ME3).  If so, that's a bummer.

This. I think they were default in ME2 if you didn't play comic or import save, but there'll be a comic integrated into ME3 from the beggining this time so everyone will be able to chose.

Sorry guys, I really meant "opposite gender in ME2 default" but might be too sleepy to underline the "ME2" part

[TMA LIVE]

If we're getting new LI's in ME3, I don't think any of them would put the stop sign on love. Even if the end of all life is about to happen.

Anyways, in this situation, I think Shepard needs to be the one to pop the question. As others have said "I said no, and I mean no". So Ash/Kaidan and Liara I imagine won't be pulling the moves on you and asking again, since you already gave an answer. So if Shepard wants a try things in ME3, he has to be the one to pop the question. He has to be the one that will bring up the possibility of romance.

[Robhuzz]

TMA LIVE wrote...

If we're getting new LI's in ME3, I don't think any of them would put the stop sign on love. Even if the end of all life is about to happen.

Anyways, in this situation, I think Shepard needs to be the one to pop the question. As others have said "I said no, and I mean no". So Ash/Kaidan and Liara I imagine won't be pulling the moves on you and asking again, since you already gave an answer. So if Shepard wants a try things in ME3, he has to be the one to pop the question. He has to be the one that will bring up the possibility of romance.

Shepard should definitily be the one to bring it up, but I also think not every LI should be that willing to start a romance in ME3 considering all that's happening. Especially not LI's that have hit on Shepard themselves and were told either a friendly 'no' or an unfriendly 'get lost!' or something like that. If it were the case I wouldn't mind them sweating Shepard a little. Not just say 'yes' after a single flirtatious dialogue choice but make him/her really work for it. Since those who played ME1/ME2 and stayed faithfull to their first LI's are already in a romance at the beginning of the game with no real fuss (well it shouldn't be a fuss) that'd be a nice reward for those who stayed faithfull.

Ahh well, we'll have to see what BW comes up with in ME3...

[Badpie]

I would be open to this.