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[Bleakwail]

I just reached camp outside of Lothering. This is my first playthrough.

I want to get Wynne in my party right away, so I am considering doing The Circle Tower first,

HOWEVER, someone told me about entering the Fade to get the Blood mage spec. unlocked somehow being tied in with Redcliffe and Circle Tower, and doing the quests in the right order.

I don't remember if it had something to do with siding with the Mages, or templars, or something to do with entering the fade to save someone from a demon in Redcliffe.

Could someone please advise me?

ALSO - I am trying to obtain EVERY rare item set, and legendary weapons. Basically everything, and anything rare.

Could someone tell me what things to do, and what NOT to do during these two quests, so that I get all the rare items?

For example, if you get "Far Song" in Redcliffe, doesn't this somehow ruing the ability to get the full Diligence armor set?

Thanks for anyone willing to help me out.

[lionalio87]

You can do whatever order you want with Redclife or Broken circle.

In order to rescue EVERYONE in the redclife (That means you don't have to sacrifice anyone in the very end of the quest). In the Broken Circle, you MUST stand with the mages in the end of the quest, that means in the final battle in the Broken Circle, you MUST have First Enchanter Irving survive.

If you want to recruit Wynne, the best is NOT to side with the templars in the first option. Nevertheless, after the battle with Uldred, you can still side with the templars and she is still with you. But note that this means you can't let everyone in the redclife castle survive till the end!

If you want to obtain the blood magic, your character MUST be a mage to bribe with the demon. But to enter the Fade and bribe with her, you MUST do one of 2: 1- Keep Jowan in the Redclife and then have him sacrifice Isolde for you to enter the fade. 2- Side with the mage in the Broken Circle and they will help you enter the Fade.

If you want to obtain the Far Song, before start the Redclife defense, you should contact to Owen, and he asks you to look for his daughter in the Castle. You should fine her in there but DON'T SPEAK TO HER. After the quest of the Redclife castle you can speak again with the smith and say that you cannot find her. He will go away and the new smith who has Far Song will appear.

For the Armor of Diligence set, you must advance your process to the Urn of Sacred Ashes anyway. But you can obtain ALL the piece IF AND ONLY IF you save the Owen's daughter in the Redclife quests (In this case the smith will sell one piece of the set for you). So in the end you MUST chose one: Far Song or the Diligence Armor Set

Modifié par lionalio87, 20 juin 2011 - 01:10 .

[Bleakwail]

Why do I need all the mages including First Enchanter Irving to survive?

So the only way to unlock blood magic is by playing as a mage? I am not a mage, so does this mean the side quest for entering the Fade will not ever appear (rescuing Jowan)???

And so, if I want the FULL diligence armor set, I DO have to save Owen's daughter? This way, he will sell me a piece of the armor set? But he WILL not sell Far Song?

Last, is Far Song even the best bow? What about Leliana's bow from her personal quest?

Thank you.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@Bleakwail, you can get Blood Magic in Redcliffe on these conditions:

Your Warden is a mage
You agree to enter the Fade to confront Connor's Desire Demon
Your mage Warden enters the Fade to save Connor (NOT Jowan or a mage companion)
You bargain with the Desire Demon for power in exchange for it keeping Connor.
This will unlock the specialization Blood Mage.

You can do this before or after Broken Circle, it doesn't matter in the slightest with regards to the specialization. There is no correct order.

[Bleakwail]

Thank you for that.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

If you are not a mage, another mage can enter the Fade in Redcliffe in your stead.

Yes, you have to play a mage to unlock Blood Mage. However, you can also access the skill in the Awakening expansion via a tome.

I suggest you check the Dragon Age wiki for your item-related questions.

[lionalio87]

Bleakwail wrote...

Why do I need all the mages including First Enchanter Irving to survive?

So the only way to unlock blood magic is by playing as a mage? I am not a mage, so does this mean the side quest for entering the Fade will not ever appear (rescuing Jowan)???

And so, if I want the FULL diligence armor set, I DO have to save Owen's daughter? This way, he will sell me a piece of the armor set? But he WILL not sell Far Song?

Last, is Far Song even the best bow? What about Leliana's bow from her personal quest?

Thank you.

You only need FIrst Enchanter Irving to have the option to side with the mage. If he dies, so does the option:blush:, so be careful

Yep, only if your character is a mage who will enter the Fade. Rescueing Jowan will provide you the same way to enter the Fade, as I said before.

Yes, save Owen's daughter if you want the armor. He DOESN'T sell Far Song, the other smith who replaces him will do it instead.

Far Song so far is the best bow in the game. Leliana's bow is only available for her. ;)

Modifié par lionalio87, 20 juin 2011 - 01:27 .

[Bleakwail]

Shadow of Dragon Light - So, another mage in my party can enter the Fade, and bargain with the demon? Or does my Grey Warden have to be a mage to unlock the spec?

lionalio87 - Leliana IS my main archer in my party. So compared to Far song, is her bow from her personal quest better?

[lionalio87]

Bleakwail wrote...

Shadow of Dragon Light - So, another mage in my party can enter the Fade, and bargain with the demon? Or does my Grey Warden have to be a mage to unlock the spec?



lionalio87 - Leliana IS my main archer in my party. So compared to Far song, is her bow from her personal quest better?

For the first question: NOPE. You are the only one who can bargain with
the demon (assuming that you're a mage). THe other mage will only attack
the demon!!!!

Of course Far Song is the best option if you want to use the archer!!!!

Modifié par lionalio87, 20 juin 2011 - 01:32 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Bleakwail wrote...

Shadow of Dragon Light - So, another mage in my party can enter the Fade, and bargain with the demon? Or does my Grey Warden have to be a mage to unlock the spec?

Only a mage Grey Warden can unlock the spec. Another mage in your party (or Jowan) can enter the Fade and talk to the demon, but they will not unlock the spec.

Basically you can't get Blood Mage unless you are playing a mage, until you play Awakening.

[Corker]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

@Bleakwail, you can get Blood Magic in Redcliffe on these conditions:

Your Warden is a mage
You agree to enter the Fade to confront Connor's Desire Demon
Your mage Warden enters the Fade to save Connor (NOT Jowan or a mage companion)
You bargain with the Desire Demon for power in exchange for it keeping Connor.
This will unlock the specialization Blood Mage.

If you Coersion is high enough, you can also Intimidate the demon into releasing Connor and giving you the blood magic specialization.  The wiki doesn't say what the Coersion total needed for that is, but I think you'll need at least a 3 in it, possibly a 4.

Pick the option, "(Intimidate) How about you leave and I do not destroy you." and then: "(Intimidate) On the
contrary, I believe you can offer more," and then ask for blood magic.

Modifié par Corker, 20 juin 2011 - 01:40 .

[Bleakwail]

but still, only if your grey warden is a mage. right? ;-)

And by the way, does anyone know if the Diligence armor set ever scales up past silverite? Or is it one of those armor sets that will not scale in the party chest, etc.?

This is a very difficult decision between Marjoline's Recurve and Far Song.

Are there any other items/ armor sets that are also unattainable like this? Whereby, you have to choose between one, or the other?

That is, for a human rogue grey warden?

Obviously, I already know that you have to be a city elf in order to get "fang" for example.

But as a human noble male rogue, are there any other situations like this where you have to choose one item or the other?

[lionalio87]

Bleakwail wrote...

And by the way, does anyone know if the Diligence armor set ever scales up past silverite? Or is it one of those armor sets that will not scale in the party chest, etc.?

This is a very difficult decision between Marjoline's Recurve and Far Song.

Are there any other items/ armor sets that are also unattainable like this? Whereby, you have to choose between one, or the other?

That is, for a human rogue grey warden?

Obviously, I already know that you have to be a city elf in order to get "fang" for example.

But as a human noble male rogue, are there any other situations like this where you have to choose one item or the other?

The Diligence Armor set only scales up to silverite. It doesnt' scale in the party chest.

Another good candidate bows is the Mage's Eyes (In Haven, in the Shop, if my memory is good  ), or Spear-throwner (In the Deep Roads, loot the Forgemaster Genlock). But still can't be compared to Far Song or Marjolaine's Recurve. For Leliana, the best option is only Far Song. But if you're a rogue, then Far Song for you and Marjolaine's Recurve for her.

PS: The "fang" you says is just situational items, you can completely ignore it!!!

Modifié par lionalio87, 20 juin 2011 - 01:54 .

[Arthur Cousland]

If Leliana is your archer and not your warden, then I'd just stick with Marjolaine's Recurve. This isn't some incredibly tough mmorpg where you must have the absolute best gear possible just to have a chance of success.

Yes, if your warden isn't a mage, then you can't bargain with the fade demon. That means no blood mage spec or spell tome. Wynne, Morrigan, Irving and Jowan can't unlock it for you.

The best armor sets are the wade's superior armor sets, Cailan's armor (from RtO), Juggernaut set, and etc. Hopefully you aren't stressing too much about trying to get the whole diligence set, unless you're a collector.

I once did Redcliffe before Broken Circle, and my warden was forced to kill Connor (Jowan was dead). That was the one and only time I didn't do Broken Circle first. Going to the circle first also gives you earlier access to the fade essences and Wynne's healing magic.

[theskymoves]

It's also possible (because I usually do it this way) to begin Redcliffe; get to the point of needing to enter the Fade to confront Connor's Demon; go to the Circle for mages to help and do that bit of the main quest; return to finish Redcliffe with mages.

And my rogue Wardens agree that Far Song is the best bow.

~tsm

[Bleakwail]

Arthur - what are the Fade essences? Is that something similar to what I received in the Warden's Keep DLC when I drank from the blood filled cup?

I AM a collector, however, if it is IMPOSSIBLE to collect every armor set in the game as a human noble, then I see no point in sacrificing Far Song just to complete the Diligence set.

But if it is possible... then I will probably sacrifice Far Song for the set. I am still undecided.

I am mostly interested in Massive Armors.

[Bleakwail]

theskymoves wrote...

It's also possible (because I usually do it this way) to begin Redcliffe; get to the point of needing to enter the Fade to confront Connor's Demon; go to the Circle for mages to help and do that bit of the main quest; return to finish Redcliffe with mages.

And my rogue Wardens agree that Far Song is the best bow.

~tsm

I thought it was impossible to leave the Circle tower after you enter, and begin that treaty quest. Or, without Lothering being destroyed.

Is it possible to leave the tower WITH Wynne, before finishing that main circle tower quest?

Yes, I am quite sure that Far Song is the best. I just HATE HATE HATE not being able to collect every armor set!

[Arthur Cousland]

It is possible to break up the Arl of Redcliffe quest and finish Broken Circle in between, but generally, I like to start and finish one questline before moving onto the next. My warden was also picking all of the darker options in the game, and so I went this route, as depressing as it was. It was hard to go through with it, especially with Isolde begging my warden not to kill her son. They also sided with the templars, killed the dalish, defiled the sacred ashes, etc.

[lionalio87]

You CANNOT leave the tower with Wynne before finishing the main circle quest, you will be locked in the tower until you finish the quest.

[Arthur Cousland]

During the Broken Circle questline, you'll be sent into the fade and you'll come across fade essences that, once interacted with, will boost your attributes.

In total, you will get:
+4 strength
+4 dexterity
+4 willpower
+2 magic
+5 cunning
+2 constitution

That +5 to cunning is especially handy, as it will help you get 16 cunning for max coercion without putting any actual attribute points (at level up) into cunning. If you're a rogue, you'll want high cunning anyway, but the +5 is still nice.

Btw, Bleakwail, check the wiki site in my signature for helpful info on the game.  Just use the search engine for quests, items, equipment, companion dialogue info and etc.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 20 juin 2011 - 02:18 .

[Bleakwail]

Arthur thanks so much for the info. I already pumped cunning, so that I could get the special dialogue with Flemeth in the Korcari Wilds before the Battle at Ostagr, prelude to Tower of Ishal. 31 cunning was needed total, including gear to unlock the dialogue with her.

I actually am having my grey warden as a DEX based dual weild/backstab rogue. Leliana is going to be my cunning based rogue archer.

As for the wikia site for Origins, believe me, I am familiar with it. I have had it bookmarked for a year and a half, and regularly visit it.
The only problem I have with it, is navigating it.

I never get the information that I want unless I know EXACTLY what I am looking for.

For example, I would have NEVER known about the rare drop, "Robes of the gifted" by just typing "robes" into the wikia search.

I randomly happened upon a page within the wikia that told me the item is retrieved from the corpse of the group mage during the quest Careless Accusations, if you opt to fight them.

So, I am TERRIFIED to take a step further in the game after reaching camp for the first time, because I am afraid that I will miss everything, and miss items that were only obtainable from rare drops, or certain dialogue choices, etc. etc.

[Bleakwail]

also, isn't there a RARE sword drop for killing Dywn? And I heard something about a helm of the red and a ring Lloyd gives you...? How do I do all of this?

[theskymoves]

lionalio87 wrote...

You CANNOT leave the tower with Wynne before finishing the main circle quest, you will be locked in the tower until you finish the quest.

Indeed, and I apologize for my lack of clarity.

~tsm (back to lurking)

[Arthur Cousland]

You get a nice dialogue option when speaking with Alistair, that requires 30+ cunning, when you ask about his background and he mentions being raised by dogs. Check the alistair dialogue info for more on that. Rogues can be fun to play just from combat and the ability to pick locks/disarm traps, but the extra dialogue options really make it enjoyable. High cunning wardens are apparently more observant, more witty, perhaps even more intelligent and many dialogue options only appear with higher cunning.

Some items are extremely rare drops, like the Fade Wall shield from Gaxkang, or the Warden Commander Shield from Sophia Dryden. As you'll do just fine without those items, you'll save yourself some grief if you can accept not getting them, and if you do, then great.

I can also be a bit of a perfectionist, as I always reload of someone dies, or gets hit with friendly fire. I also like to completely map out every dungeon and don't leave until everything is dead. Thus, I usually spend around 100 hours per playthrough, where others "claim" to be able to do everything in 30-40 hours, and no, I don't leave the game running overnight.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 20 juin 2011 - 03:00 .

[Arthur Cousland]

Keep everyone alive when Redcliffe village gets attacked by undead, and Lloyd only gives you that ring if he participates in the battle and lives, which can be quite the feat in itself, as Lloyd wears no armor, has only a dagger as a weapon and will rush ahead, separate from everyone else, so you really have to keep an eye on him.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lloyd's_Magic_Ring
http://dragonage.wik...Helm_of_the_Red
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dwyn's_Sword