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[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm currently playing through ME1 again with my new FemShep and just finished the little sidequest where Banes is mentioned. It's funny how this guy was never brought up in ME2, because I often thought things sounded pretty serious with him. This is most noticeable when you ask Captain Anderson about him; he gets all shocked and hesitant but eventually tells you the gist of the story. Apparently Banes is dead but it is believed that it may have been a foul play of some sort.

Anyway, I'm just wondering what you all think. This has been covered in the other forum before, but it's always nice to get more ideas. I personally hope to see a second mention of him at some point in ME3, though I'm not counting on it.

[crimzontearz]

wasn't there this theory about TIM being actually Banes?

[Fiery Phoenix]

crimzontearz wrote...

wasn't there this theory about TIM being actually Banes?

That was the general convention between us, until Evolution showed up.

[Gterror]

No TIM-s real name is Jack Harper

[Sparrow44]

In ME1 especially with how Cerberus was treated as this 'secret organization' and the mystery surrounding the group was designed to have the player guessing. Of course after ME2 Cerberus are now a major faction now.

And I think the 'Who is Armistan Banes?' stuff was more of the same idea, wouldn't be surprised if nothing ever comes of it though it'd be nice for them to resolve the mystery.

[Smeelia]

There definately feel like a lot of loose ends in that whole situation.  If I remember right, Shepard only finds out about Banes through the blackmail of the Doctor and that seems like an odd thing for him to be involved in, given the other circumstances.  It's possible that Banes was simply working for Cerberus and the blackmail was a side project for profits.  It's also possible that Banes was made to work in Cerberus as an insider for the Alliance (though there'd be even less reason to carry on the silly blackmail plot, unless he really needed the money or was an idiot).  Another possibility is that Banes was working on an actual secret Alliance project (probably medical in nature) that was attacked by Cerberus (and maybe they even found the project through Banes' silly decision to try and conduct blackmail).

It's certainly an odd story and there could well be more to it, I wouldn't mind at all if they put something into ME3 to wrap it all up.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Very much so, Smeelia. Even if Banes is in fact dead, some dot-connecting would be most suitable.

[elitecom]

I recently played through ME1 and was reminded of Banes as well. The whole situation around him was quite the mystery, but to consider that he had ties to Cerberus could well be. The unit that discovered him was then found dead, thereby leading Admiral Kahoku after some research to deduce that it was Cerberus that had killed them. I'd definitely like to have the ability to dwell deeper into what happened to Banes, that and the League of One of course.

Modifié par elitecom, 20 juin 2011 - 02:10 .

[JamieCOTC]

Maybe he died of Chuck Cunningham Syndrome.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 20 juin 2011 - 02:45 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Maybe he died of Chuck Cunningham Syndrome.

Possible. I hope not, though.

[United_Strafes]

LOL when I first played ME1 I was like "wtf" by the end and thinking was there something I didn't do to find that banes guy, I hope there's at least a mention of him in ME3 so I can have some closure.

[HighMoon]

Yes, Bioware. I hope you are listening. Please provide us with closure on Armistan Banes! (And also Balak, for those of us who let him go) If you leave us hanging in the dark then I might just go mad!

[Bad King]

Cerberus killed him, stole his credentials, blackmailed the doctor for medical supplies using Banes's credentials (for their super soldier experiments) and tried to cover it up by luring the Alliance marines (that Kahoku sent to investigate) to the thresher maw nest.

Either that or he faked his own death and voluntarily joined Cerberus/was forced to join Cerberus.

Modifié par Bad King, 20 juin 2011 - 04:32 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

Banes is a black ops merc-commando,real mercenary not like the Blue Suns/Eclipse/etc. even Anderson don't want to talk about it.Sounds like TIM's nemesis...

[Fiery Phoenix]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

Banes is a black ops merc-commando,real mercenary not like the Blue Suns/Eclipse/etc. even Anderson don't want to talk about it.Sounds like TIM's nemesis...

Not really sure about the TIM's nemesis bit, but I know what you mean.

Part of me wishes TIM were Banes; I think that would have made for a much more interesting setting.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 20 juin 2011 - 08:14 .

[Jeth Prime]

I completely forgot about him.... Hopefully we'll see him in ME3.

[Chewin]

Hmm, hmm, hmm. There's definitly a lot to speculate, but I think I'll join. Okay, here's how I look at it;

Banes was apparently found dead in a freighter, having done classified biological work for the Alliance, yes? So Kahoku's marines found Banes' body, then later on they too went missing (and later Kahoku himself).

So let's take a look at cerberus. In ME1, Cerberus are presented more as a splinter group within the Alliance (rather than the huge organisation they really are) - so the impression is that this splinter faction had Banes killed and then covered up his discovery. Okay, it's not necessarily an in-game fact because I believe they cut some of the Banes content out (I read once that banes was supposed to have an impact in ME2, but it was cut out).

So given what we know about Cerberus from Ascension and Retribution, it sounds exactly what would happen if someone messed up a Cerberus operation in ME1. And with Kahoku and the marines dead, there would be much more support for this rather than being "mere speculation".

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Know about Anderson. The more I think about this it makes me wonder how much Anderson really knows about Cerberus. The fact that hes aware of Banes being involved in a classfied Alliance Military project, and Kahoku identifying that classfied military project as Cerberus, means that Anderson knows more about Cerberus than he lets on. Plus, there is the video with Anderson and a Cerberus operative talking in Shadow Broker's video archive.

So this raises the question; could it be that the Alliance Military is a lot more involved with Cerberus than we actually believe given our player point of view on the two titles?

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Now about the Shadow Broker. Remember the agent that contacts you in regards to the Cerberus data you pick up at the end of the Hade's Dogs missions. You can choose to give it to him or refuse him, regardless the odd part of that is Shadow Broker agents being able to contact the most advanced covert Alliance frigate in the fleet on supposedly encrypted channels.

You would assume that these communication channels used between Arcturus and the Normandy would be classified. As the only other people that contact you via secure comm are Rear Admiral Hackitt and the Citadel Council.

The "agent" knowing how to contact the Normandy in regards to attempting to procure the Cerberus data is another loose end in this thread of the story. The Shadow Broker knows a lot of course, but, the agent in question would have to have had access to the secure FTL communications frequencies, pointing at someone on the inside at Arcturus.

Theres also no real way to know the contacting agent is actually an agent of the Shadow Broker other than their word.

Could be another indication of the Alliance/Cerberus link, and the brass at Arcturus attempting to cover it up, or it could actually be Banes( perhaps TIM) attempting to recover the data under a false front. Though I'm a little sceptical against Banes being TIM, but I wish it were so, it would make sense IMO. Either way it points to deeper connections than the character is led to believe from people the character is basically stroked to "trust" between the two titles.

[Jeth Prime]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Yes, Bioware. I hope you are listening. Please provide us with closure on Armistan Banes! (And also Balak, for those of us who let him go) If you leave us hanging in the dark then I might just go mad!

YES!!!! BALAK, AS WELL.... That bastard....

[mulder1199]

i thought anderson confirms banes is dead

[Chewin]

mulder1199 wrote...

i thought anderson confirms banes is dead

I don't think so. Though to all information we are given, he IS dead according to anyone that knows anything about him. Both Andersonand Kahoku say hes dead. But the threats of blackmail are coming from Banes, while both Kahoku and Anderson are telling you he is dead and has been dead for some time.

In the end, Kahoku is dead, all the marines that discovered Bane's ship are dead, and the Banes link dissapears under the dark waters of the storyline...a man who is "dead" but is alive enough to be threatening Dr. Michel through an intermediary.

Modifié par Chewin3, 20 juin 2011 - 08:49 .

[battleroyale565]

Chewin3 wrote...

mulder1199 wrote...

i thought anderson confirms banes is dead

I don't think so. Though to all information we are given, he IS dead according to anyone that knows anything about him. Both Andersonand Kahoku say hes dead. But the threats of blackmail are coming from Banes, while both Kahoku and Anderson are telling you he is dead and has been dead for some time.

In the end, Kahoku is dead, all the marines that discovered Bane's ship are dead, and the Banes link dissapears under the dark waters of the storyline...a man who is "dead" but is alive enough to be threatening Dr. Michel through an intermediary.

You might want to consider the possiblity that Banes is in fact dead but someone has taken his name to commit blackmail. 

[Pride Demon]

Well, we know Banes worked together with Doctor Michel on her previous establishment (and was there when she was fired, or at least knew why she was fired), that makes me think he was some sort of scientist/doctor...

His quest (about the blackmail) is not mandatory, but introduces the long mission streak that eventually leads to Kahoku and Cerberus...

Kahoku's men were killed in a way that it's eeriely similar to how the mission on Akuze died, and Kahoku himself (while probably killed by a lethal injection) was found in a detainment facility that was studying "exotic" alien lifeforms... Studying the effects of alien lifeforms on humans was the main reason Cerberus brought the Threshers on the Akuze expedition...

Given all this, I would not be surprised if, like Doctor "Wayne", Banes was involved in the Akuze disaster somehow...

Bioware already said there could be origin specific quests, if that's the case then I wouldn't be surprised if Survivor!Shep ended up meeting old Banes somehow...

Or he may simply be dead, and the blackmail came from someone else in Cerberus, who Banes told about Michel... We'll see...

EDIT----
Thinking about it: Wayne's group of scientist is said to be targeted by someone who killed everyone but Wayne by the time Shepard knows about this via Hackett... Maybe it was Toombs cleaning house all along... He killed Banes and the others and the only scientist from the Akuze massacre still alive is Wayne...

And since Wayne worked with Banes they probably knew each other: maybe Wayne found out about Michel and was using Banes' name to extort medigel (which he probably was planning to use as a boost for his guards against "whoever that crazy bastard that killed all my collegues is")... :/

That's food for thought...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 20 juin 2011 - 09:19 .

[Chewin]

@battleroyale565

I'm not so sure. Banes had to "die", all knowledge of Banes had to "die", thus the cover ups, the deaths of the marines and Kahoku.

The fact that everyone that knew anything real about Banes died, except Anderson and Dr. Michel, indicates that they know more than they're saying. And remember, Anderson himself is extremely easily convinced of the Reaper threat through out Mass Effect, its as if he believes it even before Shepard references the vision for the first time. Its like he already knew. How would he know? Unless Banes (TIM) knew, and this was something communicated out of Cerberus into agents placed within the Systems Alliance Navy? Which Anderson may very well be one, given his absolute convinction and belief in regards to the Reaper threat, even before Shepard themselves has had any real confirmation of it other than a blurry, hard to understand vision.

[mulder1199]

i'm guessing he was such an non essential character (even just the name mention) that he probably won't be included in ME3 anyways...