Not every story is airtight....if the Reapers were everything they were built up to be, Shepard would've been killed two games ago, and there honestly wouldn't be much of a story to tell.
Sometimes you just have to just ignore those "well why didn't the bad guys do this?"
Why? Because it would've been end of the line. No more story. It's not bad writing. It's not good writing. It's necessary writing.
Sometimes you have to put a hole for the hero to escape through.
But I mean if you'd rather the reapers be TRULY invincible and infallible, by all means, end the story right then and there.
There was not a hole.
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#152
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 05:06
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AshleyS3 wrote...
I thought this thread was going to be about Legion...
Do you think the Collectors/Human Reaper scheme was really a legitimate plan or intended as a distraction?
The Collectors were left behind as a kind of census group, albeit an evil, ugly census group that are there to keep an eye on the civilisations of the galaxy. It was only when Soveriegn was destroyed they were told to build another Reaper as a contingency plan, aswell as capture Shep!
#153
Posté 23 juin 2011 - 05:16
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The construction of the Human Reaper may not have had anything to do directly with the invasion. The Reapers simply made the decision to slushy humanity after the Battle of the Citadel, and figured there was no good reason not to start now with colonies that would not instigate any serious response by the Alliance. Even if it did, there was no reason that the Alliance would connect the Collectors with Sovereign.
A plot hole is an inconsistency that is not accounted for. So far, the Reapers' actions have not been inconsistent in any meaningful manner.
A plot hole is an inconsistency that is not accounted for. So far, the Reapers' actions have not been inconsistent in any meaningful manner.
#154
Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:43
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Its a bit scary to think about it actually, knowing that the Reapers may have more plans up their sleeves.
I wonder if there is a master Reaper or master Reaper back up plan? Also I don't believe Harbinger is the master reaper, I don't think there are any leader Reapers, Harbinger is close to a leader but I don't think he is, he's more like a voice or project handler but besides that I don't think he actually controls what all the Reapers do or he is stronger than all the other Reapers.
It just seems logical the Reapers would have bothered to have built a super massive Reaper at some stage.
I wonder if there is a master Reaper or master Reaper back up plan? Also I don't believe Harbinger is the master reaper, I don't think there are any leader Reapers, Harbinger is close to a leader but I don't think he is, he's more like a voice or project handler but besides that I don't think he actually controls what all the Reapers do or he is stronger than all the other Reapers.
It just seems logical the Reapers would have bothered to have built a super massive Reaper at some stage.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:48
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OP sounds like Mordin when he's explaining something; which is good. I give this thread a double thumbs up for being a great knowledge filter. There's nothing to debate about from my eyes in terms of Reaper efficiency.
#156
Posté 24 juin 2011 - 05:04
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I agree the debate isn't about Reaper efficiency the entire concept of Reaper efficiency opens more gaps in the story.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 05:14
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AshleyS3 wrote...
I thought this thread was going to be about Legion...
Do you think the Collectors/Human Reaper scheme was really a legitimate plan or intended as a distraction?
I think it was both. They were given the task of dealing with Shepard. Kill, Capture, or keep him busy long enough for the Reapers to make it threw the alpha relay.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 06:59
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SandTrout wrote...
The construction of the Human Reaper may not have had anything to do directly with the invasion. The Reapers simply made the decision to slushy humanity after the Battle of the Citadel, and figured there was no good reason not to start now with colonies that would not instigate any serious response by the Alliance. Even if it did, there was no reason that the Alliance would connect the Collectors with Sovereign.
A plot hole is an inconsistency that is not accounted for. So far, the Reapers' actions have not been inconsistent in any meaningful manner.
I agree completely. I don't think the Human Reaper is integral to their invasion. I think the humans definitely caught their attention after Severeign's destruction but I don't it was part of their main plan of attack. And the reason that makes me so sure about it is the fact that you can play the Arrival DLC in ME2 LOOOOONG before you beat the game and destroy th Human Reaper Larva. Which means that the Reaper invasion could have been well underway before the Human Reaper would be finished.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 07:08
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KainrycKarr wrote...
But I mean if you'd rather the reapers be TRULY invincible and infallible, by all means, end the story right then and there.
Who said the Reapers were "TRULY invincible and infallible?" Just because most people who know about the Reapers (including the Reapers themselves) perceive them to be invincible, does not make it so. In fact, I would argue that the progress Shepard has made so far clearly shows that the Reapers are not the omnipotent beings they advertise themselves to be.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 07:44
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For the record I have no major problems with the story so far
Would just like to point out if the Reaper's were on their way here since (or before) ME1 then that would have to mean that they've been lugging around a relay with them (to use the moment the Citadel opened). Their first plan was to go in through the Citadel relay which would have meant that they'd have a relay themselves. We've never seen any indication that Reaper's have self contained relays within each of them. They've had to rely on their relay network.
It would make much more sense that they waited around a relay in darkspace until the Citadel was opened. Either
that or they lugged one around with them. This doesn't make sense though because then why not just use it when they got close enough to the galaxy? (Close enough as in close enough to use it on the relay network, since they/it seems to have a direct link to the Citadel over great distances)
Most probable case is that they only started moving when all other options were exhausted, which would make them very fast indeed even without relays. (Massive drive cores anyone?)
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but the the Alpha relay can only reach 16 other relays according to the wiki. It's most notable because it can reach the Citadel directly, whichimho is what the Reaper's want.
Would just like to point out if the Reaper's were on their way here since (or before) ME1 then that would have to mean that they've been lugging around a relay with them (to use the moment the Citadel opened). Their first plan was to go in through the Citadel relay which would have meant that they'd have a relay themselves. We've never seen any indication that Reaper's have self contained relays within each of them. They've had to rely on their relay network.
It would make much more sense that they waited around a relay in darkspace until the Citadel was opened. Either
that or they lugged one around with them. This doesn't make sense though because then why not just use it when they got close enough to the galaxy? (Close enough as in close enough to use it on the relay network, since they/it seems to have a direct link to the Citadel over great distances)
Most probable case is that they only started moving when all other options were exhausted, which would make them very fast indeed even without relays. (Massive drive cores anyone?)
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but the the Alpha relay can only reach 16 other relays according to the wiki. It's most notable because it can reach the Citadel directly, whichimho is what the Reaper's want.
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#161
Posté 26 juin 2011 - 10:28
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What about The Protheans?
As i remember, They Broke the cycle when messed up the keepers!
So the plan went to frak a long time ago, then came the Soveregen And Harbinger. As a backup. Legion stated - they looked for allies for senturies.
And Shepard fraked the backup plan a and b. So Reapers are actually on plan c now.
As i remember, They Broke the cycle when messed up the keepers!
So the plan went to frak a long time ago, then came the Soveregen And Harbinger. As a backup. Legion stated - they looked for allies for senturies.
And Shepard fraked the backup plan a and b. So Reapers are actually on plan c now.
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 05:03
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Well srry late night post: Lets count again; Plan A: the usual way - well thank you Protheans, Plan B Nazara and Saren. Plan C Collectors and Harbinger, well it looks like reaper are actually on plan D now?
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Posté 27 juin 2011 - 05:20
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Sgt Stryker wrote...
KainrycKarr wrote...
But I mean if you'd rather the reapers be TRULY invincible and infallible, by all means, end the story right then and there.
Who said the Reapers were "TRULY invincible and infallible?" Just because most people who know about the Reapers (including the Reapers themselves) perceive them to be invincible, does not make it so. In fact, I would argue that the progress Shepard has made so far clearly shows that the Reapers are not the omnipotent beings they advertise themselves to be.
I don't think you understood my post.
