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[Alex the Droog]

After reading that the 'haters' were a minority group of elitist grognards spewing hardcore pnp diatribe across the net, I decided to look up the professional opinions on Dragon Age II.

Game Rankings (Xbox 360) - 76.91%

Game Rankings (PC) - 78.92%

Game Rankings (PS3) - 80.23%

www.gamecritics.com/brad-gallaway/dragon-age-ii-review

Game Critics, a review website, branded the game with a 2.5/10.

I call this a critical panning, because this is the lowest ever rated Bioware game ever made. Jade Empire, (89.56%) and NeverWinter Nights (88.96%) are the third and second lowest ratings on the Game Rankings aggregate made by Bioware.

If we look at Metacritic, the score is higher 82 for PS3 and PC, and 79 for Xbox 360. However, if we look at the user score it currently sits at 4.2/10, and 3.9/10 for the PS3 version. I refuse to accept this is a '4Chan Raid' as most user reviews are around the 3-6 mark, and give justified paragraphs about the issues with the game.

So, although anything above a 7 is deemed 'good'. For a company like Bioware who produce GOTY contenders with every release, and are backed by EA, a multi billion dollar company, and have acsess to more rescources than ever before isn't it embarrasing they can get out scored by a 2d indie game like Terraria?

Lastly, I'd like to point out the lack of a single 10/10 review for Dragon Age 2.

I just wish we had an accuracte depiction of sales, as we know, thats all that matters.

[oldmansavage]

Whether the majority competely dislike the game or not is debatable, what isn't debatable is its the worst recieved bioware game of all time.  I certainly find it to be thier poorest quality thus far.

Modifié par oldmansavage, 20 juin 2011 - 05:53 .

[MonkeyLungs]

Barring MDk (which I liked but not an RPG), Shattered Steel, and that Sonic poo they made, DA2 sits on the bottom of my list of Bioware titles. I like all of their other RPG's better.

[dr_ganondorf]

Frankly, I'm done with the series. I got frustrated and couldn't beat the first one, and I'm once again stuck on DA2. Both games were fun at first, but then they both just get frustratingly difficult for me and I just lose any will to play.

[Melca36]

Not to change the subject but I suggest if you want to see some bad reviews...go check Duke Nukem Forever.

[In Exile]

Dragon Age 2 had Bioware's presentation, which they perfected with the ME series. The problem is that Bioware forgot to add the game.

Melca36 wrote...

Not to change the subject but I suggest if you want to see some bad reviews...go check Duke Nukem Forever.

That was a fun read.

[dr_ganondorf]

In Exile wrote...

Dragon Age 2 had Bioware's presentation, which they perfected with the ME series. The problem is that Bioware forgot to add the game.

Melca36 wrote...

Not to change the subject but I suggest if you want to see some bad reviews...go check Duke Nukem Forever.

That was a fun read.

I like the  "imaginary" zero punctuation version.

[JerHopp]

Wow the reviewer shred the game to pieces....

Although I think Bioware could have made the game better (re-use maps and the endless loadingscreens for example) I don't think the game was as bad as he claims.

But in the end it's all about the enjoyment. I enjoyed it, and he apparently did...not....

[Akka le Vil]

Alex the Droog wrote...

So, although anything above a 7 is deemed 'good'. For a company like Bioware who produce GOTY contenders with every release, and are backed by EA, a multi billion dollar company, and have acsess to more rescources than ever before isn't it embarrasing they can get out scored by a 2d indie game like Terraria?

The most embarassing and unexcusable part is that they have, as you say, the most ressources than ever before, and despite this it's their most rushed game and the one for which they used the "ressources are not infinite" excuse the most.

[Atakuma]

[quote]Akka le Vil wrote...

[quote]Alex the Droog wrote...

The most embarassing and unexcusable part is that they have, as you say, the most ressources than ever before, and despite this it's their most rushed game and the one for which they used the "ressources are not infinite" excuse the most.
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It's true though. Do you think EA just hands bioware blank checks?

[Akka le Vil]

Atakuma wrote...

It's true though. Do you think EA just hands bioware blank checks?

If it's true that you get less money and stricter deadline when you have one of the richest backer in the world, then :
- What was the point of selling yourself to it, considering the ONLY point of a backer is to actually do the exact opposite and allow you to get ressources you can't have yourself.
- How exactly is it actually acceptable to say "there is tons of ressources but we don't want to bother using them, just give us your money instead" ?

That's just rather illogical. To say the least.

[Atakuma]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

It's true though. Do you think EA just hands bioware blank checks?

If it's true that you get less money and stricter deadline when you have one of the richest backer in the world, then :
- What was the point of selling yourself to it, considering the ONLY point of a backer is to actually do the exact opposite and allow you to get ressources you can't have yourself.
- How exactly is it actually acceptable to say "there is tons of ressources but we don't want to bother using them, just give us your money instead" ?

That's just rather illogical. To say the least.

- I doubt anyone at Bioware is clairvoyant
- DA:O likely had a poor profit margin and they needed to cut costs if they wanted to actually make money on the next game.

Modifié par Atakuma, 20 juin 2011 - 07:15 .

[Akka le Vil]

Atakuma wrote...

- I doubt anyone at Bioware is clairvoyant

Yeah, because :
- EA is absolutely NOT famous for its greed and ruining the licenses it buy. Absolutely not. Nobody ever talked about it or warned anyone about it.
- It clearly require magical power to actually make a contract giving you breath space. No, you absolutely can't, in fact as soon as someone as money it forces you to be bought and you are forced to obey him thereafter. No deal possible, resistance is futile.

- DA:O likely had a poor profit margin and they needed to cut costs if they wanted to actually make money on the next game.

Do you even believe in your own arguments or are you just trying to find excuses out of misplaced loyalty ? <_<

[Anathemic]

Nice review, it speaks truth.

[bEVEsthda]

oldmansavage wrote...

Whether the majority competely dislike the game or not is debatable, what isn't debatable is its the worst recieved bioware game of all time.  I certainly find it to be thier poorest quality thus far.

Well, don't know if quality is exactly the right word. The game was sort of built solidly enough. What I perceive is a lack of understanding of the game's content. Like the developers didn't look at all at things in the same way as gamers.

That has happened one time before. I remember looking so forward to NWN, having played BG for years. Then it came (NWN OC) and my char ran in these corridors, killing endless numbers of little critters, everybody sucking up to the char, how special and fantastic, etc. And I sat dumbfounded, staring on the screen and wondered - Why am I supposed to think this is fun?
Later, on the forums, I learned that most of the new developers on NWN had never bothered to play BG, but where big fans of Diablo.

DA2 reminds me of that experience. It's a culture shift of some kind. Developers who see the game in a completely different light.  ...Like they grew up with Nintendo games, and regard that game paradigm as absolute and the only one.

[Persephone]

Still.do.not.care.

Critics are as reliable as doomsayers announcing the world is going to end on *Insert date* because *Insert ridiculous omen/biblical reference/gibberish*.

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

And these days, while an excellent game, TW2 is hyped to the point of overrated worship.

So yeah, critics.......LOL.

[Anathemic]

Persephone wrote...

Still.do.not.care.

Critics are as reliable as doomsayers announcing the world is going to end on *Insert date* because *Insert ridiculous omen/biblical reference/gibberish*.

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

And these days, while an excellent game, TW2 is hyped to the point of overrated worship.

So yeah, critics.......LOL.

Why the hell did you bring TW2 into this? Nowhere in the OP's linked review is TW2 mentioned

I can only conclude you ignored the OP scrolled down the thread and saw someone post the 3 characters of 'TW2' and immediatly went off on that.

Modifié par Anathemic, 20 juin 2011 - 07:27 .

[alex90c]

Persephone wrote...

Still.do.not.care.

Critics are as reliable as doomsayers announcing the world is going to end on *Insert date* because *Insert ridiculous omen/biblical reference/gibberish*.

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

And these days, while an excellent game, TW2 is hyped to the point of overrated worship.

So yeah, critics.......LOL.

Sure, the critics are unreliable when DA2 is getting suckish ratings on practically every reviewing website. I'm sure it's all just a giant conspiracy, and this widespread internet hate is still "the minority" so Bioware must once again just assume what the "majority" want and cater to this hidden audience.

[Atakuma]

Akka le Vil wrote...

- DA:O likely had a poor profit margin and they needed to cut costs if they wanted to actually make money on the next game.

Do you even believe in your own arguments or are you just trying to find excuses out of misplaced loyalty ? <_<

I didn't say I agree with what they did. They rushed the game out to cash in, because doing another game like Origins was not a finacialy viable option.

[Aaleel]

I agreed with most of the points in the Gamecritics review, but I thought the 2.5 was too low a score, even given the flaws he listed. I think scores that low should be saved for games that are completely unplayable due to bugs and technical issues, as well as game mechanics.

[Akka le Vil]

Atakuma wrote...

I didn't say I agree with what they did. They rushed the game out to cash in, because doing another game like Origins was not a finacialy viable option.

DAO not financially viable ?
That's just ridiculous.

[Persephone]

alex90c wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Still.do.not.care.

Critics are as reliable as doomsayers announcing the world is going to end on *Insert date* because *Insert ridiculous omen/biblical reference/gibberish*.

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

And these days, while an excellent game, TW2 is hyped to the point of overrated worship.

So yeah, critics.......LOL.

Sure, the critics are unreliable when DA2 is getting suckish ratings on practically every reviewing website. I'm sure it's all just a giant conspiracy, and this widespread internet hate is still "the minority" so Bioware must once again just assume what the "majority" want and cater to this hidden audience.

Only it isn't getting "suckish ratings on practically every reviewing website." 

I wouldn't care if they praised it to high heaven or tore it apart to Hades Himself.

Only the gullible let others make their decisions for them.

I like DAO & II.

Lemme give you an example from history:

Every idiot and their Moms (Including "critics") loves "The Other Boleyn Girl".

I despise it for the inaccurate, sexist, perverted garbage that it is.

There, I don't only disagree with critics who happen to disagree with me.

[Zjarcal]

Persephone wrote...

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

Probably one of the few times I will disagree with you, mostly because I just hate the word overrated. A game is only overrated if the person scoring it gives it a score higher than what they believe it deserves, so unless those reviewers really didn't think the games deserved their high scores, I would never say they're overrated. I could say I disagree with the scores (though I certainly don't disagree with the average critic score for ME2), but not that they are overrated.

[Persephone]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I didn't say I agree with what they did. They rushed the game out to cash in, because doing another game like Origins was not a finacialy viable option.

DAO not financially viable ?
That's just ridiculous.

No dev studio will devote 5+ years of dev time to a single game nowadays. With production costs being ridiculously high. Forget it.

[Anathemic]

Persephone wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I didn't say I agree with what they did. They rushed the game out to cash in, because doing another game like Origins was not a finacialy viable option.

DAO not financially viable ?
That's just ridiculous.

No dev studio will devote 5+ years of dev time to a single game nowadays. With production costs being ridiculously high. Forget it.

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