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[Romantiq]

Anathemic wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No dev studio will devote 5+ years of dev time to a single game nowadays. With production costs being ridiculously high. Forget it.

Herp Derp, World of Warcraft, StarCraft 2, Diablo 3

Yes, the billion dollar company can take as long as they want to make games, shocker.

Well I would bring up ArenaNet and Guild Wars 2, but it's currently on the 4-year mark not 5, but hey that's close right?

Besides, Blizzard Entertainment didn't start off as a billion-dollar company, I know shocker isn't it?

Add ID Software to your list. I would dare and say that they produce legendary shooters that are worth the wait. Carmack ftw.

[Realmzmaster]

Romantiq wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No dev studio will devote 5+ years of dev time to a single game nowadays. With production costs being ridiculously high. Forget it.

Herp Derp, World of Warcraft, StarCraft 2, Diablo 3

Yes, the billion dollar company can take as long as they want to make games, shocker.

Well I would bring up ArenaNet and Guild Wars 2, but it's currently on the 4-year mark not 5, but hey that's close right?

Besides, Blizzard Entertainment didn't start off as a billion-dollar company, I know shocker isn't it?

Add ID Software to your list. I would dare and say that they produce legendary shooters that are worth the wait. Carmack ftw.

None of these companies started out as billion dollar companies. They also started out as PC only companies. but guess what. They all either merged or sold themselves to bigger companies. If for no other reason than to break into the console market or not having to look for a publisher or self publish which requires a distribution system and not just digital. Money for advertising and attracting new talent.

[Morroian]

Romantiq wrote...

Add ID Software to your list. I would dare and say that they produce legendary shooters that are worth the wait. Carmack ftw.

Doom 3 wasn't. I gave up after a few hours into it. And I loved Doom 1 and 2. 

[Fast Jimmy]

Realmzmaster wrote...

None of these companies started out as billion dollar companies. They also started out as PC only companies. but guess what. They all either merged or sold themselves to bigger companies. If for no other reason than to break into the console market or not having to look for a publisher or self publish which requires a distribution system and not just digital. Money for advertising and attracting new talent.

I'm not sure what this line of conversation is even trying to assert anymore.

If people are trying to say no game developers have longer than two or three year development cycles, this isn't true. Comparing if they are PC or console developers has no input, as, if anything, PC-only developers would have smaller revenue (with only one market) and would be able to afford longer dev cycles even less.

No game that isn't a cheap movie release tie-in-game should be developed in less than two years. I don't care if you are talking about a Dragon Age game or Angry Birds... there is way too much to be put into proper QA, testing, customer feedback and marketting correctly for any game to plan on going from concept to shelves in less than 24 months, regardless of how little or how much coding and design is needed. Its not a matter of what they can pull off, technically speaking. Its an issue of a lack of polish.That's what Bioware did wrong with DA2.

Longer than 24 months would have been nice to have a game that has every possible option any gamer has ever wanted, but to even attempt to make a "stream-lined" game the magnitude of DA2 in less than two years is foolish.

[Turgen Starblazer]

Dragon Age 2 is so much more satisfying than Dragon Age Origins, in my opinion. Dragon Age Origins was just far too archaic in design. Neverwinter Nights was good 10 years ago, but it's time to move on. Dragon Age 2 is a far more immersive game with it's wonderful cinematography and engaging combat. I thought the review was contrived, and trying too hard to be as abrasive as possible for attention.

[aftohsix]

AAHook2 wrote...
Is there a simpler, less emotional way I could express my utter disappointment in this game?

Yeah.  Offer your criticisms without being dicks to people who liked the game and quit acting like Bioware shot your dog.

[Frybread76]

aftohsix wrote...

AAHook2 wrote...
Is there a simpler, less emotional way I could express my utter disappointment in this game?

Yeah.  Offer your criticisms without being dicks to people who liked the game and quit acting like Bioware shot your dog.

Why do you care if anyone acts like Bioware shot their dog?  If their posts bother you don't read them.

[Realmzmaster]

Everybody has an opinion and it is their opinion whether you hated DA2, thought it was average or thought it was great. It is all opinion. Everyone's opinion carries the same weight or lack thereof. The problem is that everyone wants Bioware to listen to their opinion so that they get the game they want.

The bottomline is that Bioware will gives us the game they want after listening to the constructive criticism.
No one on the forum is going to get exactly the game they want. I doubt we will see the return to the DAO style of game, nor will we see DA2 again. What we may see is Bioware's vision of the IP taking into account some, but not all of the feedback it receives.

The only points that seem to be universal is the use of recycled environments and for some the wave combat everything else is debatable. Bioware will have to sort it all out.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Realmzmaster wrote...
The only points that seem to be universal is the use of recycled environments and for some the wave combat everything else is debatable. Bioware will have to sort it all out.

I think Act 3 being a mess is also almost universal.

[lionalio87]

Boooh. I'm sick at watching people complain the game time to time with many many nonsense complaints. If you don't like this game, so just stop playing it, forget it and consider that you never play it before, easy enough, right?

If you want to criticize what Bioware or EA has done to the game, so the Constructive Criticism is the most appropriate threads for you guys. You can complain whatever you want in there without annoying everyone else in the forum who would like to take their time and enjoy the game.

Sorry for being so rude, but I see that this is not an appropriate thread to pan the game. You've already have them long time ago, after all.

[KnightofPhoenix]

lionalio87 wrote...

Boooh. I'm sick at watching people complain the game time to time with many many nonsense complaints. If you don't like this game, so just stop playing it, forget it and consider that you never play it before, easy enough, right?

"If you don't like criticism, so just stop going to those threads (like say one that has critical panning as a title), forget them and consider you never read them before, easy enough right?"

Two can play at this game.

[ipgd]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"If you don't like criticism, so just stop going to those threads (like say one that has critical panning as a title), forget them and consider you never read them before, easy enough right?"

Two can play at this game.

If only it were confined to just these threads.

[Realmzmaster]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...
The only points that seem to be universal is the use of recycled environments and for some the wave combat everything else is debatable. Bioware will have to sort it all out.

I think Act 3 being a mess is also almost universal.

  Act 3 was almost acceptable IMO, but not good (It had some big plots holes as you have so eloquently pointed out in other threads). I found Act 2 to be much better. I would have rather the game focus on either the mage templar war or the Quanri. I see the purpose of Act 1,  but Bioware could have lengthen it to include the first year for back story or if not possible shorten or elimated some of the gold gaining quests to fit it in. Bioware could have pegged the require amount at a lower figure say 30 gold or increase the reward for certain quests.

The point remains that Bioware is going to have to figure out how to make DA3 appeal to most of its audience.

But that is my opinion

[Realmzmaster]

lionalio87 wrote...

Boooh. I'm sick at watching people complain the game time to time with many many nonsense complaints. If you don't like this game, so just stop playing it, forget it and consider that you never play it before, easy enough, right?

If you want to criticize what Bioware or EA has done to the game, so the Constructive Criticism is the most appropriate threads for you guys. You can complain whatever you want in there without annoying everyone else in the forum who would like to take their time and enjoy the game.

Sorry for being so rude, but I see that this is not an appropriate thread to pan the game. You've already have them long time ago, after all.

Any thread that has the title critical panning of Dragon Age II is a good indication of the OP's intent. I come to threads like this to voice a reasoned opinion. From reading KnightofPhoneix posts I believe he does the same. We do not always agree on what is being debated but we respect each other's opinions.
KOP adds the awesome sauce and I am but a humble scribe who is allowed to bask in the glow:D

[Travie]

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game, to make sure we will not end up with another DA2, and also in the hope that something I say can make the next iteration better somehow.

Obviously if it was any other developer I would just laugh and walk away, but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Although, I still think that it was this specific team that was at fault here. It doesn't fully reflect on Bioware as a whole... I hope they will bring in some new talent.

[John Epler]

samtoshan wrote...

lionalio87 wrote...

Boooh. I'm sick at watching people complain the game time to time with many many nonsense complaints. If you don't like this game, so just stop playing it, forget it and consider that you never play it before, easy enough, right?

If you want to criticize what Bioware or EA has done to the game, so the Constructive Criticism is the most appropriate threads for you guys. You can complain whatever you want in there without annoying everyone else in the forum who would like to take their time and enjoy the game.

Sorry for being so rude, but I see that this is not an appropriate thread to pan the game. You've already have them long time ago, after all.

how about you respect others opinions on the game no life loser

And how about you respect other posters.

Seriously, folks, personal attacks are not hard to avoid. Civility is all I ask.

[Travie]

JohnEpler wrote...

And how about you respect other posters.

Seriously, folks, personal attacks are not hard to avoid. Civility is all I ask.

I wouldn't want your job sir. 

[mesmerizedish]

Travie wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

And how about you respect other posters.

Seriously, folks, personal attacks are not hard to avoid. Civility is all I ask.

I wouldn't want your job sir. 

I wouldn't want you to have his job either :innocent:

[Herr Uhl]

Travie wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

And how about you respect other posters.

Seriously, folks, personal attacks are not hard to avoid. Civility is all I ask.

I wouldn't want your job sir. 

What is so bad about graphical design?

[astrallite]

Atakuma wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

No dev studio will devote 5+ years of dev time to a single game nowadays. With production costs being ridiculously high. Forget it.

Herp Derp, World of Warcraft, StarCraft 2, Diablo 3

Yes, the billion dollar company can take as long as they want to make games, shocker.

They've been doing that since 1991 when they were a small studio. That's part of their philosophy. It has nothing to do with their current financial situation; it's a part of their identity to polish and create a quality product before release.

Modifié par astrallite, 23 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[mesmerizedish]

astrallite wrote...

They've been doing that since 1991 when they were a small studio. That's part of their philosophy. It has nothing to do with their current financial situation; it's a part of their identity to polish and create a quality product before release.

Eh... I wouldn't say that. Their philosophy is "throw stuff at the wall for long enough and eventually you have a good product." If they were better developers, they wouldn't need to take as long.

The credit needs to go the executives, who allow this kind of sloppy development, because, actually, it's a good business model in Blizzard's case.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 23 juin 2011 - 08:40 .