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[rolson00]

samtoshan wrote...

Dragon age 2 to could have done better if there was not
a ****ty hero
bad waves of enemies
only 1 city
cheap new allies only good ally you have is anders
short choices why cant we play as a elf of drawf again?
potion cool down WTF
no new armor on allies
and thats all the upside of DA2 is i thoght about and its
good wepons and outfits
and you get alot of gold
but thats all the upsides about the game

all of these are the reason i didnt get da2 but my feelings on dragon age 2 is this da2 is an ok game its only really bad when you compair it to origins. da:o didnt really leave an opening for da2 David Gaider said somthing simlar and he was right DA:O was pretty much a sequel killer. da2 on the other hand did do the da series good in fact i think it savd it it has enabled bioware to branch off to do other kinds of stories other than archdeamon rises warden kills it. as a game da2 is meh but as a new direction it is a raging success. i think we can expect great things from da3
from my point of view what they must do(this is just what i feel they should do) they need to do three things
be able to be elves and dwarfs again
new main charectar
sever all ties with da:o& da2 (maybe small cannons now &then)
this is just what i feel they should do but your welcome to flame me if you dissagree

[KnightofPhoenix]

Realmzmaster wrote...
Any thread that has the title critical panning of Dragon Age II is a good indication of the OP's intent. I come to threads like this to voice a reasoned opinion. From reading KnightofPhoneix posts I believe he does the same. We do not always agree on what is being debated but we respect each other's opinions.
KOP adds the awesome sauce and I am but a humble scribe who is allowed to bask in the glow:D

Haha, thanks!

[Gunderic]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

astrallite wrote...

They've been doing that since 1991 when they were a small studio. That's part of their philosophy. It has nothing to do with their current financial situation; it's a part of their identity to polish and create a quality product before release.

Eh... I wouldn't say that. Their philosophy is "throw stuff at the wall for long enough and eventually you have a good product." 

The end result "good product" is a key part of that philosophy. I think I'd rather take that over BioWare's 'surprise and delight' motto.

[aftohsix]

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

aftohsix wrote...

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

I think "succeed" should be read as "make the sort of games I prefer and profit by doing so".

[xkg]

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

I think "succeed" should be read as "make the sort of games I prefer and profit by doing so".

I guess that is logical. Why should he care about a company that is making games which he doesn't like.

[Gunderic]

aftohsix wrote...

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

You know, comments like these, especially if directed toward posters whose quotes you have taken out of context, can really make your previous requests for fair criticism appear... 

aftohsix wrote...

AAHook2 wrote...
Is there a simpler, less emotional way I could express my utter disappointment in this game? 

Yeah.  Offer your criticisms without being dicks to people who liked the game and quit acting like Bioware shot your dog.

... a bit disingenuous.

[Gunderic]

xkg wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

I think "succeed" should be read as "make the sort of games I prefer and profit by doing so".

I guess that is logical. Why should he care about a company that is making games which he doesn't like.

Nah, my good man. As one of their ( ex- ) core fans, I should support whatever direction it is they're aiming for and of course, buy their games, regardless of how I feel about them.

Consumer altruism. Funny, that.

[Travie]

aftohsix wrote...

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

They WILL succeed if the game is well reviewed and word gets out that its a quality game that everyone can enjoy, but seeing as the huge surge of preorders for DA2 was completely unjustified (and word of mouth after that made sales drop like a rock), they shouldn't get our money until they prove they've got the goods.

The best way to show developers what we think is with our pocket books.

Do any of you really want them to be able to go to their publisher/investors with a profit margin on a rushjob? Then pure business will tell them that if they make a game in half the time with almost the same profits they should just keep doing that and rake in the money.

[Deadmac]

If BioWare didn't have at least one controversial game, I would think there was something seriously wrong. "Dragon Age II" is just one bump in a major list of successes. BioWare should be glad that this happened to "Dragon Age II", and the fallout was not from people experiencing "Star Wars: The Old Republic".

Since "Dragon Age II" and "Star Wars: The Old Republic" share certain features, I would work overtime to make sure they have been fixed.

[Phaelducan]

It's entirely likely that Bioware may not have had much of a choice in being absorbed by EA. Investors have more say in the direction a company goes than we would like, and if a company like Electronic Arts wants to buy a developer, it's a hard sell to investors to tell them no.

Also, DA2 made money. Fraction of the time it took to make DA:O, and it also sold really well (not as good as other Bioware titles, but in no way did DA2 tank).

Also, critically it was poorly received *for Bioware.* It was received pretty well compared to an aggregate for the industry as a whole.

Not trying to say it was their shining moment of win, but anyone who thinks the game is a failure is delusional. It was "ok" and almost every company around has a game that is just "ok" from time to time (if not a lot of the time).

Give them a break, they aren't exactly the evil empire here who ruined the industry of video games. Play it (or not), move on, play something else.

[Persephone]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Still.do.not.care.

Critics are as reliable as doomsayers announcing the world is going to end on *Insert date* because *Insert ridiculous omen/biblical reference/gibberish*.

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

And these days, while an excellent game, TW2 is hyped to the point of overrated worship.

So yeah, critics.......LOL.

It's interesting how it's only those who liked Dragon Age II who all of a sudden feel critics (professionals paid to compare games to the thousands of other games they have played) are useless.

They've always been useless to me. Even before DAO came out. Or DAII. I knew they were useless when Might and Magic VII got ripped apart in favor of its (Also excellent) predecessor. (M&M7 is, IMHO, a highly underrated RPG gem)

[Persephone]

AAHook2 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Still.do.not.care.

Critics are as reliable as doomsayers announcing the world is going to end on *Insert date* because *Insert ridiculous omen/biblical reference/gibberish*.

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

And these days, while an excellent game, TW2 is hyped to the point of overrated worship.

So yeah, critics.......LOL.

You are really pushing the envelope of stubborness to the point of ingnorance.

If you enjoyed the game, that's fine, but a WHOLE LOT of people feel cheated and hard done by purshasing this game, especially the special editions.

Yet still, you can't let it go that people feel this way. Why?
Your behavior at this point is honestly as trollish as any naysayer, becuase despite the evidence staring you right in the face, you still insist that it's an anomaly that this title release is...HATED. By many.

I don't think I've said anything of the kind. I merely explained why critics are useless to me.

Games aside. the same applies for music I love. I'm an opera fan. Pretty much every critic praises Anna Netrebko as the new Callas.

I don't have a single one of her recordings because IMO she is a pale shadow of anything Callas represented. Yet am I telling the millions who love her how stupid they are for enjoying her art? Not so much, no.

[Persephone]

Whatsupnewyork wrote...

AAHook2 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Still.do.not.care.

Critics are as reliable as doomsayers announcing the world is going to end on *Insert date* because *Insert ridiculous omen/biblical reference/gibberish*.

Frankly, I disagree with many ratings Bioware games have received. While I love the BG series as well as ME2, IMO they redefine the word overrated with their over the top ratings.

And these days, while an excellent game, TW2 is hyped to the point of overrated worship.

So yeah, critics.......LOL.

You are really pushing the envelope of stubborness to the point of ingnorance.

If you enjoyed the game, that's fine, but a WHOLE LOT of people feel cheated and hard done by purshasing this game, especially the special editions.

Yet still, you can't let it go that people feel this way. Why?
Your behavior at this point is honestly as trollish as any naysayer, becuase despite the evidence staring you right in the face, you still insist that it's an anomaly that this title release is...HATED. By many.

That's Persephone for 'ya. Biggest hippocrite (Sic!) going.

My very hippocritical (your word) advice then: Don't use the big words unless you can spell them. Name calling loses its venom/punch when done so ineptly.

Modifié par Persephone, 24 juin 2011 - 06:59 .

[thedistortedchild]

IMHO - On its own DA2 is a fun game. Certain aspects just pale when compared to DA:O
Can we discuss this without baseless ad hominem arguments?<_<

Modifié par thedistortedchild, 24 juin 2011 - 08:04 .

[aftohsix]

Gunderic wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

You know, comments like these, especially if directed toward posters whose quotes you have taken out of context, can really make your previous requests for fair criticism appear... 

aftohsix wrote...

AAHook2 wrote...
Is there a simpler, less emotional way I could express my utter disappointment in this game? 

Yeah.  Offer your criticisms without being dicks to people who liked the game and quit acting like Bioware shot your dog.

... a bit disingenuous.

How was I being a dick to him?  I just pointed out how encouraging people to NOT buy Bioware's next DA game while hoping they succeed seems a little... crazy.

[pmaura]

Ahh from reading everything its apparent bioware is dead its now just EA.

And to the people saying it was a good game because it sold well, take it mind it sold well because it was capitalizing on biowares great reupation which is now suspect. I can only pray ME3 did not have a hoard of EA producers hovering around it saying thats to complicated, make that easier, that words to big and complicated for my 4 year old, replace it with cheese.

[DungeonLord]

pmaura wrote...

Ahh from reading everything its apparent bioware is dead its now just EA.

And to the people saying it was a good game because it sold well, take it mind it sold well because it was capitalizing on biowares great reupation which is now suspect. I can only pray ME3 did not have a hoard of EA producers hovering around it saying thats to complicated, make that easier, that words to big and complicated for my 4 year old, replace it with cheese.

Truer words have seldom been spoken. Bravo!

BG1 and 2 and DA:O were all EPIC games. Huge in scale and with so many things to do.

DA2 is a consolified, cheapened experience that caters to those who demand little and expect less.
It is no coincidence it happened after EA got their claws into bioware. Everything was good right up until that point. Then it went downhill instantly.

I have a feeling ME3 might survive the EA ass raping, simply because the ME series have always been less RPG and more shooter. Straight forward games with very few choices and limited character development. I hold no such hopes for a DA3 as long as EA is allowed anywhere near the process.

[Phaelducan]

It would be nice if all the people who hated the games would A) not buy them, and stop complaining about them and C) get off the forums.

Lots of people were fine with DA2... not the best, but certainly not the worst. It's just a video game. It's hard to reconcile an 80% metacritic score with the lolz certainty that Bioware as a company is dead. Why won't you people get a new hobby. Hell, go play Oblivion again... 5th anniversary edition is just around the corner.

[xkg]

@Phaelducan
Thank you for your advice but i'll stay.

[Frybread76]

aftohsix wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

Travie wrote...

Honestly I'm only sticking around to convince people to NOT preorder the next game,

Travie wrote...

but I honestly want to see Bioware succeed.

Posts like this are why I refer to these forums as the Bioware Schizophrenia Network.

You know, comments like these, especially if directed toward posters whose quotes you have taken out of context, can really make your previous requests for fair criticism appear... 

aftohsix wrote...

AAHook2 wrote...
Is there a simpler, less emotional way I could express my utter disappointment in this game? 

Yeah.  Offer your criticisms without being dicks to people who liked the game and quit acting like Bioware shot your dog.

... a bit disingenuous.

How was I being a dick to him?  I just pointed out how encouraging people to NOT buy Bioware's next DA game while hoping they succeed seems a little... crazy.

We understand you have a problem with reading comprehension.

[Frybread76]

Phaelducan wrote...

It would be nice if all the people who hated the games would A) not buy them, and stop complaining about them and C) get off the forums.

Lots of people were fine with DA2... not the best, but certainly not the worst. It's just a video game. It's hard to reconcile an 80% metacritic score with the lolz certainty that Bioware as a company is dead. Why won't you people get a new hobby. Hell, go play Oblivion again... 5th anniversary edition is just around the corner.

How about you not read posts that offend your delicate sensibilities.

[Phaelducan]

I'm not offended, I'm bemused.

[FieryDove]

Phaelducan wrote...

It would be nice if all the people who hated the games would A) not buy them, and stop complaining about them and C) get off the forums.

Lots of people were fine with DA2... not the best, but certainly not the worst. It's just a video game. It's hard to reconcile an 80% metacritic score with the lolz certainty that Bioware as a company is dead. Why won't you people get a new hobby. Hell, go play Oblivion again... 5th anniversary edition is just around the corner.

But I don't like Oblivion.

Besides that a wide range of opinions is what feeds the mods and the writers. (Angst and Tears)