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[Destroy Raiden_]

You're still rewriting characters who showed no sign of want for s/s or said they didn't like being with the s/s so no it doesn't solve anything you're still changing a core part of what the characters are. BW should leave all past LI straight as they where portrayed in past MEs and allow the new add on or flings to be s/s options. People say we wanted the option only they got it now they want BW to rewrite characters for it. It's bad enough they just retconned mshep for it.

No to all past crew LIs being made s/s options or bi in 3

[shepskisaac]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

You're still rewriting characters who showed no sign of want for s/s or said they didn't like being with the s/s so no it doesn't solve anything you're still changing a core part of what the characters are. BW should leave all past LI straight as they where portrayed in past MEs and allow the new add on or flings to be s/s options. People say we wanted the option only they got it now they want BW to rewrite characters for it. It's bad enough they just retconned mshep for it.

No to all past crew LIs being made s/s options or bi in 3

So mShep was straight yet femShep could be gay/bi even thought they're suppoused to be the same character of Commander Shepard?

[AngelicMachinery]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

You're still rewriting characters who showed no sign of want for s/s or said they didn't like being with the s/s so no it doesn't solve anything you're still changing a core part of what the characters are. BW should leave all past LI straight as they where portrayed in past MEs and allow the new add on or flings to be s/s options. People say we wanted the option only they got it now they want BW to rewrite characters for it. It's bad enough they just retconned mshep for it.

No to all past crew LIs being made s/s options or bi in 3

Dawww,  you think sexuality is core to your being.  How much do you really think Garrus or Tali woud change if they decided they wanted to swing the other way?  One would try to be bad ass and come to whine to Shepard about their problems and the other would still be nerdy fetish fuel.

[Eternal Dust]

Here's a better idea. How about people don't romance the s/s LIs if they don't want it like how I stay away from Jacob like the plague?

Modifié par octoberfire, 21 juin 2011 - 04:31 .

[Darthnemesis2]

I'm gay (in case anyone didn't know ) but in the real world 99% of the people who know me have no idea. Is it "rewriting" *my* character if I suddenly start telling people that I have been checking out the guys and ignoring them every time they say "Check her out!"? Am I suddenly less of a sarcastic ass hole for telling people that I'm gay? It works exactly the same here. Maybe at first your crew mate (whomever it may be) wasn't comfortable, or didn't know how Shep would react. I know I don't usually go running around telling everyone I meet "Oh and by the way, I'm gay". You know why? Because my orientation has very little bearing on my personality, or my motivations or my morals. In short, being gay is not what defines me (or anyone else) it's simply a part.

[KawaiiKatie]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

I'm gay (in case anyone didn't know ) but in the real world 99% of the people who know me have no idea. Is it "rewriting" *my* character if I suddenly start telling people that I have been checking out the guys and ignoring them every time they say "Check her out!"?

I think LeggyWillow said it best. If I may:

leggywillow wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

General
question: if a close friend of many years turned out to be bisexual,
would you accuse him or her of not respecting integrity, continuity, and
overall quality?

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] LOL

Friend:  I-I have to tell you something.  I think I'm gay.
BSN User: WHAT?!
Friend:  I hope you'll support me in this and--
BSNU: HOW COULD YOU RETCON YOURSELF LIKE THIS?!
Friend: ....what.
BSNU:  I thought you had more respect for continuity than that!  You never indicated in the past that you were gay!
Friend: Look, it's something I've been quietly thinking about for years--
BSNU: You destroyed your characterization.  EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER.  WHO IS YOUR WRITER?!

[Darthnemesis2]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

I'm gay (in case anyone didn't know ) but in the real world 99% of the people who know me have no idea. Is it "rewriting" *my* character if I suddenly start telling people that I have been checking out the guys and ignoring them every time they say "Check her out!"?

I think LeggyWillow said it best. If I may:

leggywillow wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

General
question: if a close friend of many years turned out to be bisexual,
would you accuse him or her of not respecting integrity, continuity, and
overall quality?

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] LOL

Friend:  I-I have to tell you something.  I think I'm gay.
BSN User: WHAT?!
Friend:  I hope you'll support me in this and--
BSNU: HOW COULD YOU RETCON YOURSELF LIKE THIS?!
Friend: ....what.
BSNU:  I thought you had more respect for continuity than that!  You never indicated in the past that you were gay!
Friend: Look, it's something I've been quietly thinking about for years--
BSNU: You destroyed your characterization.  EVERYTHING IS RUINED FOREVER.  WHO IS YOUR WRITER?!

lol I didn't read the whole thread before I posted, but yeah that's basically what'd happen 

[lazuli]

It's an interesting suggestion, but what about the "ninjamances" of ME1? If you weren't exceedingly careful with your words in ME1, you could find yourself in a romance accidentally.

[Cutlass Jack]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

I think LeggyWillow said it best. If I may:

I agree. That was about perfect.

lazuli wrote...
It's an interesting suggestion, but what about the "ninjamances" of ME1? If you weren't exceedingly careful with your words in ME1, you could find yourself in a romance accidentally.

Ninjamances shouldn't be happening regardless of orientation in my book. Its not an S/S specific issue. The first 'step' on the road to romance should always be incredibly obvious. (gamewise, not in real life of course)

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 juin 2011 - 04:53 .

[KawaiiKatie]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...
lol I didn't read the whole thread before I posted, but yeah that's basically what'd happen 

Oh, no, that happened on a different thread. Same-sex relationships in ME3 is something I'm very interested in, so I follow pretty much every thread made about the issue... :happy:

[Destroy Raiden_]

Ok so there's a couple of people taking issue

For one who thinks you being gay means you got retconned in life you're not a game character so you saying your gay has no bearing on the issue of character X being changed into s/s option who was portrayed straight.

As far as don't romance them you mean don't talk to them? the option is in BW so far talk to them = face the romance option or don't talk to them = don't face the romance option that is not an option.That makes people lose out on that character because they can't talk to them and also you're saying that someone who loves Miranda viewed them as fsheps trusted person who got retconned into being s/s option should now not talk to her as their fshep because they don't want to have the s/s dialogue tossed at them. That's a great option for them how?

For the one who can't see where the issue is I won't draw you a picture. Do you think fshep hugging Ash means Ash had tendencies towards fshep?

The one trying to patronize you think you should have the right to ruin characters for others for the sake of pc? So I should also have the right to walk into a store and take things from the store because I'm poor so the store should suffer to not discriminate against poor people by that logic.

And yes in ME BW came out and said Mshep was straight only fshep was a potentially bi option so in 3 they retconned mshep to be bi or gay depending on how the player will play him.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 21 juin 2011 - 04:56 .

[Bogsnot1]

I solved the "problem" to.
Ban rednecks, fundamentalist religious nuts, and people who arent comfortable with sexual freedom from buying the game.

[Cutlass Jack]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

As far as don't romance them you mean don't talk to them? the option is in BW so far talk to them = face the romance option or don't talk to them = don't face the romance option that is not an option.That makes people lose out on that character because they can't talk to them and also you're saying that someone who loves Miranda viewed them as fsheps trusted person who got retconned into being s/s option should now not talk to her as their fshep because they don't want to have the s/s dialogue tossed at them. That's a great option for them how?

Not making much sense here. Lets take S/S off the table for a second. As a Male Shepard, I could romance Tali and just be friends with Miranda, correct? I would have the exact same conversation options with Miranda in ME2 that Femshep did. Zero difference. I didn't have a single romantic line of dialogue forced upon me in ME2 with her.

Does this mean in ME3 if I dared talk to Miranda the game would fling me into an unwilling romance with her even though I'm seeing Tali? Of course not. I'd get the Friendship conversations. And it wouldn't be any different for Femshep should S/S options be added.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 juin 2011 - 05:09 .

[VoidCabbage]

Raiders Fan 223 wrote...
For most people (and the vast majority of players who frequent the Bioware Boards -- who will likely import saves to ME3), the following is an acceptable solution in my opinion. 

if there wasn't already hundreds of pages discussing this sort of stuff I might read the rest of your post. But this line was enough for me.

[shepskisaac]

Destroy Raiden wrote...
As far as don't romance them you mean don't talk to them? the option is in BW so far talk to them = face the romance option or don't talk to them = don't face the romance option that is not an option.That makes people lose out on that character because they can't talk to them and also you're saying that someone who loves Miranda viewed them as fsheps trusted person who got retconned into being s/s option should now not talk to her as their fshep because they don't want to have the s/s dialogue tossed at them. That's a great option for them how?

Who said that? On the contrary. People of all orientations want content/dialogues not to be restriced by romancing the characters. Furthermore, Casey already said in various tweets non-romance conversations will be expanded:

#ME3 writing team has some great ideas for breaking the mold on char. interactions, which should add to non romance relationship.
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/69859131447717888

Peope liked the friendly drink with Chakwas in #ME2, and we're doing more of that type of thing for #ME3
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/69848012960174080

Not to mention you can easily turn down LIs/not pick romantic options and avoid romantic talk in the first place.

Destroy Raiden wrote...
And yes in ME BW came out and said Mshep was straight only fshep was a potentially bi option so in 3 they retconned mshep to be bi or gay depending on how the player will play him.

Yep they've said and it didn't make the slightest sense. "Commander Shepard can be a homosexual woman but can'e be a homosexual man". Where's the logic in this?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 juin 2011 - 05:17 .

[weikle21]

[/quote]  Yep they've said and it didn't make the slightest sense. "Commander Shepard can be a homosexual woman but can'e be a homosexual man". Where's the logic in this? [/quote]

Lol, i think it was just a way for them to explain it. Because, remember, they already had gay relationships apart of it but cut because the guy who shepard was modeled after told them not to have it.

Modifié par weikle21, 21 juin 2011 - 05:21 .

[King Zeel]

Siansonea II wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

you underestimated alot of things, like this boards population is riddled with fangirls.

And people who feel a pathological need to put people down, apparently.

Oh Miranda. When will you stop being such an Ice Cold bi0tch?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I think the way to solve this issue is through good writing and unique situations/quests/dialog as a result of having characters heterosexual or homosexual. Simply put, the romances (and characters) should develop in an entirely different manner. A "branching romantic narrative", if you will.

The shoe horned Dragon Age 2 approach of having 95% of the same relationship with a simple trigger for Hetero/****** was a very poor way to go about it, and likely, that's what people don't like. I know I don't.

At first, I was opposed to the idea of "retconning" the sexuality of certain characters and I still think that it's not a bad compromise (introduce new s/s characters instead), but the more I think about it, the more I am annoyed at how it's been portrayed in previous games.

Not the idea itself.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 21 juin 2011 - 05:27 .

[the_one_54321]

I am 100% on board with the idea of there being gay or bi characters. That's awesome. I won't romance them as gay or bi but it is awesome that they are there. More please, for that that enjoy it.

However, I am 100% AGAINST the idea of changing existing characters to make this happen, and 100% AGAINST the idea of the making all characters of variable sexuality dependent on player customization. Either of those is a really stupid idea that will thoroughly ruin immersion for me by violating internal consistency.

[VoidCabbage]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I am 100% on board with the idea of there being gay or bi characters. That's awesome. I won't romance them as gay or bi but it is awesome that they are there. More please, for that that enjoy it.

However, I am 100% AGAINST the idea of changing existing characters to make this happen, and 100% AGAINST the idea of the making all characters of variable sexuality dependent on player customization. Either of those is a really stupid idea that will thoroughly ruin immersion for me by violating internal consistency.

I would describe myself as more 66% against all characters being bi. I like the idea of characters being more solidified... but at the same time if people really want it, then it doesn't really harm me. I'm all for the enjoyment of others.

But i mean this discussion has gone on and on. I don't think alot of people support changing the characters, just adding to whats already there.

I certainly hope they don't spend the game just talking about already established events and character traits.

Modifié par VoidCabbage, 21 juin 2011 - 05:34 .

[King Zeel]

the_one_54321 wrote...

I am 100% on board with the idea of there being gay or bi characters. That's awesome. I won't romance them as gay or bi but it is awesome that they are there. More please, for that that enjoy it.

However, I am 100% AGAINST the idea of changing existing characters to make this happen, and 100% AGAINST the idea of the making all characters of variable sexuality dependent on player customization. Either of those is a really stupid idea that will thoroughly ruin immersion for me by violating internal consistency.

Here, here.


Bioware decides to do something nice for the fans and of course, the fangirls take it a step too far. Take your ONE original gay character and be happy.

[KawaiiKatie]

King Zeel wrote...

Take your ONE original gay character and be happy.