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[Inquisitor Recon]

Filament wrote...
I am probing, what I want is not really material to the discussion

Well then I personally I don't think the matter means said characters are more likely to switch teams.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 21 juin 2011 - 06:02 .

[the_one_54321]

IsaacShep wrote...
Hypothetical bisexual Ashley who never said she didn't like women would not overwrite, contradict or erase the straight romance she had with ManShep or her attraction to men.

I disagree. The characters have been established.

[AngelicMachinery]

the_one_54321 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Hypothetical bisexual Ashley who never said she didn't like women would not overwrite, contradict or erase the straight romance she had with ManShep or her attraction to men.

I disagree. The characters have been established.

I disagree they have not!

OMG IMPASSE!

[Raiil]

Filament wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Sex obviously matters more than biological compatibility...  check out all the people willing to risk getting Tali sick/  or getting sick from Garrus. 

Is their sex even truly analogous to humans'? Quarians could be like spotted hyenas.

I'm guessing most of the alien races are, since the cases where they aren't- asari in particular- are noted more than once. Unless otherwise stated, it's most likely safe to assume that they generally fall under male/female guidelines, with some special differences (i.e. drell women most likely not having breasts, since their offspring are able to eat solids from birth).

[the_one_54321]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Hypothetical bisexual Ashley who never said she didn't like women would not overwrite, contradict or erase the straight romance she had with ManShep or her attraction to men.

I disagree. The characters have been established.

I disagree they have not!
OMG IMPASSE!

No. S#!t.

[King Zeel]

IsaacShep wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
I don't care. The story now is what it is. I can't ask them to just turn off the disgusting alien romances. (interspecies is seriously gross) and I can't ask them to just turn on the gay/bi either. Retcons are retcons, and they almost always screw with internal consistency.

Yes, retcons are retcons. But neither Tali who never said she didn't have a crush on Shep in ME1 nor hypothetical bi character who never denied interest in the same gender are retcons. Retcons have to contradict a previously established fact and overwrite it. Tali's crush doesn't contradict anything. She never turned Shep down, nor she said "I'm asexual". Hypothetical bisexual Ashley who never said she didn't like women would not overwrite, contradict or erase the straight romance she had with ManShep or her attraction to men.

Unbelievable. so all characters have to yell out their sexuality in plain English in order to affirm the obvious? And you guys call me a troll? This post is one of the looniest things I've ever read.

Ashley is not gay because, ding dong, she showed no interest in Female shepard.

Same thing for Tali.

[AngelicMachinery]

the_one_54321 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Hypothetical bisexual Ashley who never said she didn't like women would not overwrite, contradict or erase the straight romance she had with ManShep or her attraction to men.

I disagree. The characters have been established.

I disagree they have not!
OMG IMPASSE!

No. S#!t.

Aww man, it's okay.  You and Kaidan can still have that awesome BROMANCE.  It'll be even more Bromantic now as he'll you know display emotions in your general direction instead of just whining which is all he did in ME1 amrite?

[the_one_54321]

King Zeel wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
I don't care. The story now is what it is. I can't ask them to just turn off the disgusting alien romances. (interspecies is seriously gross) and I can't ask them to just turn on the gay/bi either. Retcons are retcons, and they almost always screw with internal consistency.

Yes, retcons are retcons. But neither Tali who never said she didn't have a crush on Shep in ME1 nor hypothetical bi character who never denied interest in the same gender are retcons. Retcons have to contradict a previously established fact and overwrite it. Tali's crush doesn't contradict anything. She never turned Shep down, nor she said "I'm asexual". Hypothetical bisexual Ashley who never said she didn't like women would not overwrite, contradict or erase the straight romance she had with ManShep or her attraction to men.

Unbelievable. so all characters have to yell out their sexuality in plain English in order to affirm the obvious? And you guys call me a troll? This post is one of the looniest things I've ever read.

Ashley is not gay because, ding dong, she showed no interest in Female shepard.

Same thing for Tali.

This time he really does have a point. No, I am not being ironic.

[the_one_54321]

Montezuma IV wrote...
So? People assume someone is straight perfectly well.

So? Stop trying to screw with the story because "OMG it would be so hot if Shep and Kaiden started making out! That would be so cute if they got all romantic SQUEEEEEE!" 

Ok, sorry about the sarcasm there. But seriously. Changing the story because "[insert something here] would be coo!" is always a stupid idea. It screws up the story's internal consistency in almost every instance it comes up.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 21 juin 2011 - 06:08 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Montezuma IV wrote...
So? People assume someone is straight perfectly well.

Well that's the way the math works.

[Golden Owl]

IsaacShep wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
I don't care. The story now is what it is. I can't ask them to just turn off the disgusting alien romances. (interspecies is seriously gross) and I can't ask them to just turn on the gay/bi either. Retcons are retcons, and they almost always screw with internal consistency.

Yes, retcons are retcons. But neither Tali who never said she didn't have a crush on Shep in ME1 nor hypothetical bi character who never denied interest in the same gender are retcons. Retcons have to contradict a previously established fact and overwrite it. Tali's crush doesn't contradict anything. She never turned Shep down, nor she said "I'm asexual". Hypothetical bisexual Ashley who never said she didn't like women would not overwrite, contradict or erase the straight romance she had with ManShep or her attraction to men.

So according to some, if a character doesn't immediantly jump up and say I wanna get in Shep's pants upon meeting him/her or after s/he does them a favor, they shouldn't have any romantic interest in Shep at all? God fobid someone falling in love with the person not the image or the power they portray.

[AngelicMachinery]

You know what, I have the perfect solution. Let's nuke all the love interests... than we can stop worrying about all this icky love stuff.

[the_one_54321]

Filament wrote...
Well I assume basic things like the female gestating the baby to be the same, but I'm not sure if that alone is enough to set analogous gender distinctions to be a barrier to romance. Though I suppose you could say, the proof is right there in the game, because they do demonstrate analogous gender distinctions where females, you know... are female. And vice versa.

I think you have an awesome approach in mind. It would be way more interesting than the "Garus is super hot, We demand Garus romance," which actually happened.

But I also would not hold my breath, even for a little bit.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 21 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[ipgd]

We will not use the word retcon to mean "any change I don't like". Unless a change contradicts and replaces an established fact in the continuity, it is not a retcon. Even if it makes you cry yourself to sleep at night thinking of Ashley doing it with a lady, because Ashley never actually establishes anything about her interest in women or lack thereof, it is not a retcon. Not all changes are retcons. You can dislike a change without it being a retcon. Please find another word to load with misappropriated derogatory sentiments, this one is useful.

Modifié par ipgd, 21 juin 2011 - 06:12 .

[the_one_54321]

AngelicMachinery wrote...
You know what, I have the perfect solution. Let's nuke all the love interests... than we can stop worrying about all this icky love stuff.

I would totally be cool with that. LI was interesting, but doomed to end up broken with the evolution of the games since it was first implimented with Girl/Guy/Bisexual Alien Stripper.

Montezuma IV wrote...
Uh....yeah duh it'd be cool. But it's also completely logical and in no way messing UP a story. As if a persons sexuality mattered that much.

Read Golden Owl's post above.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 21 juin 2011 - 06:14 .

[Darthnemesis2]

ReconTeam wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...
So? People assume someone is straight perfectly well.

Well that's the way the math works.

Except where it doesn't. Just because you assume someone to be straight doesn't make him (or her) so. I really don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp...

[King Zeel]

Montezuma IV wrote...


Not much of one. Feelings can develop over time. I used to like
girls. Now I strictly prefer boys. It happens. It's a stretch put it's
passable and completely logical. And I like people just because they
have great personalities. It can be sexy.

Let me get this straight.(pun) you use to like girls but now you like boys? Your sexual feelings don't just turn off. Either you never liked girls to begin with or you are fooling yourself. It's probably both. 

Society shows one way as "right" and natural, its only normal that you THINK you have those feelings. Then bam you realize you don't. Hell, that happened to me and ALL my ex-girlfriends.

Yes, I don't believe you turn "gay". though I do acknowledge that some enviromental forces can influence your sexual orientation. Then again, the way I view sexuality is more of a scale consisting of 7 notches. 1 being straight, 7 being gay. 3, in middle

[shepskisaac]

the_one_54321 wrote...
I disagree. The characters have been established.

Their attraction to opposite gender was established. Until you have an option to hit on them and get turned down or if they say they're exclusively straight themselves, their lack of attraction to anyone (not necessarily even Shep) of the same gender has not been established especially in the case of characters who were planned to have s/s romance (Ashley, Kaidan).

King Zeel wrote...
Ashley is not gay because, ding dong, she showed no interest in Female shepard.

Same thing for Tali.

So Tali was asexual in ME1 since she didn't show any interest in neither ManShep or FemShep? Same logic. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 juin 2011 - 06:16 .

[AngelicMachinery]

the_one_54321 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...
You know what, I have the perfect solution. Let's nuke all the love interests... than we can stop worrying about all this icky love stuff.

I would totally be cool with that. LI was interesting, but doomed to end up broken with the evolution of the games since it was first implimented with Girl/Guy/Bisexual Alien Stripper.

I do find it sat that people only want this now that bisexuality is being implimented,  it makes me wonder if perhaps their is more to it than the fear of "Retcon."  I mean, seriously...  what possibly reason would every love interest in the game have to be in the same location?  That seems like a big retcon to me...

[King Zeel]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Montezuma IV wrote...
So? People assume someone is straight perfectly well.

Well that's the way the math works.

Except where it doesn't. Just because you assume someone to be straight doesn't make him (or her) so. I really don't see why this is such a hard concept to grasp...

Honestly, these arguments are foolish and it just goes to show how far these fans will go to defend their silly s/s fantasies.
Yes, the math does work that way. I heard somewhere that only 10% of people are gay. I'm not much of a statistics guy but I'm willing to put a little faith in data collection here.
 
Third, it's not an assumption, OBVIOUSLY ashley is straight, she only screwed male shepard.