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[alperez]

As others have said spectre status doesn't come with superhuman powers, spectres fall, spectres die, i don't remember running into any retired spectres during me1 or me2.

One thing that does intrigue me though is the reason behind why the Vs. is a spectre.

The alliance putting them forward for any political reason doesn't really make sense (esp. in Ash's case), or the council deciding they should be to watch over Shepard or they deserve it because of anything to do with Shepard.

I mean what could they have done to earn the status considering they didn't post me1 even after helping save the citadel. We know from horizon and Anderson that at the time of our meeting them they were promoted in the alliance yes, spectres no.

My theory is that its Anderson's last act before leaving the citadel, either as ambassador or as a last request to Udina. That Anderson wanted the Vs. to be a spectre so when Shepard returned there would be less obstacles in the Vs. rejoining Shepard for the final confrontation with the reapers.

[1136342t54_]

Remember what they said about Turian Spectres. Since Turians have such influence in the military arm of the Council they have the majority share of Spectres. While many Turian Spectres are talented its likely part of the reason they were recruited was because of politics. Same goes for the VS

[Badpie]

Zeus_Deus wrote...

VS - no N7 training, therefore cannot even be considered for SPECTRE candidacy.

N7 is an Alliance military code, not the Council's.  None of the Asari or Turian Spectres were N7 either.  So this doesn't make sense.

[1136342t54_]

Badpie wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...

VS - no N7 training, therefore cannot even be considered for SPECTRE candidacy.

N7 is an Alliance military code, not the Council's.  None of the Asari or Turian Spectres were N7 either.  So this doesn't make sense.

Add that to many Spectre candidates seem to be grunts in the military or just some pretty talented people with a lot of potential it shows that being Rambo doesn't mean you are going to be chosen for a Spectre. Actually that seems pretty bad since Spectres seem sense potential and if you are like Zaeed already its likely your not going to get any better. Spectres don't choose anyone who reached there peak in ability.

[ashlover mark 2]

Candidates for the Spectres typically have years of military or law enforcement experience before even being considered. The screening process involves background checks, psychological evaluations, and a long period of field training under an experienced mentor.-from the mass effect wiki.

i would say ash has more than enough military experience she enlisted right out of high skool and she served under shepard for sometime (a few months atleast) which could be considered a mentorship in the eyes of the council.

[Zeus_Deus]

Badpie wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...

VS - no N7 training, therefore cannot even be considered for SPECTRE candidacy.

N7 is an Alliance military code, not the Council's.  None of the Asari or Turian Spectres were N7 either.  So this doesn't make sense.

It does make sense because I'm talking about human candidates and the Vermire Survivor is human, and Alliance.

The only other human Spectre candidate ever was Cpt. Anderson and he was N7.

[1136342t54_]

Zeus_Deus wrote...
It does make sense because I'm talking about human candidates and the Vermire Survivor is human, and Alliance.

The only other human Spectre candidate ever was Cpt. Anderson and he was N7.

Actually it doesn't since Spectres seem to not care to much about military rank but just general talent and potential. The only reason why they were so picky with a human spectre is because humanity wasn't even on the Council when Captain Anderson and Commander Shepard were looked at for possible recruitment. 

[Zeus_Deus]

1136342t54 wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...
It does make sense because I'm talking about human candidates and the Vermire Survivor is human, and Alliance.

The only other human Spectre candidate ever was Cpt. Anderson and he was N7.

Actually it doesn't since Spectres seem to not care to much about military rank but just general talent and potential. The only reason why they were so picky with a human spectre is because humanity wasn't even on the Council when Captain Anderson and Commander Shepard were looked at for possible recruitment. 

SPECTRES may not care about rank, but the Alliance does and they are the ones who choose a candidate to put forward - Remember the opening sequence of Mass Effect where you hear Cpt Anderson, Udina and Adm. Hackett talking?! - That wasn't just random banter, they were discussing Shepard for a candidate, with Udina finishing by saying he'll make the call [to the council].

You really think the Alliance will put forward someone who hasn't gone through N7 special forces training?

[1136342t54_]

Zeus_Deus wrote...
You really think the Alliance will put forward someone who hasn't gone through N7 special forces training?

The only reason why humanity did that was because they weren't on the Council yet and chose to get the very best of humanity for political reasons. You don't see the Turians being that picky with Spectre candidates.

Also I'm not entirely sure you are right since its hinted at a lot that the Spectres specifically chose shepard since Anderson and even Nihlus say that the Spectres see something special in Shepard. That could mean that the Spectres chose shepard and the Alliance agreed on it. 

[Patchwork]

Or that once the Alliance had put Shepard's name forward the Spectres investigated Shepard and saw the potential themselves.

How N special operations work could be similar enough to a standard Spectre mission that without being on the council N7s were humanity's best shot at Spectre candidacy.

If nothing else perhaps the VS can give a 'everyman' POV of the Spectres. Shepard is a bit of a special case due to their field promotion, Saren, Reapers etc.

[Ryzaki]

*shrugs*

I don't get why they become SPECTREs either but ah well. If someone else has to deal with the whining from the council my Shep doesn't care. Once the Reapers are gone he's getting the hell out of dodge. And if the council keeps up its "ah yes 'reapers'." front he's taking Harbinger up on his offer to join them. (There was an offer wasn't there?)

[Spectre_907]

ashlover mark 2 wrote...
Candidates for the Spectres typically have years of military or law enforcement experience before even being considered. The screening process involves background checks, psychological evaluations, and a long period of field training under an experienced mentor.-from the mass effect wiki.

i would say ash has more than enough military experience she enlisted right out of high skool and she served under shepard for sometime (a few months atleast) which could be considered a mentorship in the eyes of the council.

And served with and possibly lead a team of the salarian Special Task Group on Virmire. Same could be said for Kaidan. The humans were already nominating many of their own as Spectres. It seems plausible that the VS would be on that list. They do have the most experience in Council affairs.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 23 juin 2011 - 09:06 .

[Zeus_Deus]

1136342t54 wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...
You really think the Alliance will put forward someone who hasn't gone through N7 special forces training?

The only reason why humanity did that was because they weren't on the Council yet and chose to get the very best of humanity for political reasons. You don't see the Turians being that picky with Spectre candidates.

Also I'm not entirely sure you are right since its hinted at a lot that the Spectres specifically chose shepard since Anderson and even Nihlus say that the Spectres see something special in Shepard. That could mean that the Spectres chose shepard and the Alliance agreed on it. 

The Spectres chose Shepard out of a short list of candidates put forward by the Alliance.

As I said before, go back to the opening sequence of ME1 where Anderson, Udina and Hackett are in discussion over who to put forward. It finishes with Udina saying "I'll make the call", presumably to the council about the Spectre candidate. Once that call was made, presumably Nihilus was sent to make a final assessment.

That's the only logical way of interpreting the opening mission of ME1.

Modifié par Zeus_Deus, 23 juin 2011 - 10:32 .

[AresXX7]

Zeus_Deus wrote...

The Spectres chose Shepard out of a short list of candidates put forward by the Alliance.

As I said before, go back to the opening sequence of ME1 where Anderson, Udina and Hackett are in discussion over who to put forward. It finishes with Udina saying "I'll make the call", presumably to the council about the Spectre candidate. Once that call was made, presumably Nihilus was sent to make a final assessment.

That's the only logical way of interpreting the opening mission of ME1.

Actually Nihlus says he was the one who put Shepard's name forward as a candidate.
(because one of Shep's responses are - "Why would a Turian want in human in the Spectres?")
You can see it here (fast-forward to 2:38)

And, he only mentions one event, that propelled his/her candidacy (what was chosen in the psych profile), not Shep's overall career or branch of service. (i.e. N7 ranking, etc.)

As far as the VS becoming a Spectre, I agree some politics did play a part in the role of it.
Since Shepard was presumed dead, the Alliance still wanted to maintain a human in the ranks, what better choice than a capable soldier, who is still loyal, that garnered attention for defending the Citadel alongside Shepard.
They give Kaidan/Ash promotions, kept them on active assignments, all the while, maintaining a level of influence over him/her to keep them in line so that they would make prime candidates.

Modifié par AresXX7, 23 juin 2011 - 11:37 .

[The Twilight God]

AresXX7 wrote...

Actually Nihlus says he was the one who put Shepard's name forward as a candidate.
(because one of Shep's responses are - "Why would a Turian want in human in the Spectres?")
You can see it here (fast-forward to 2:38)

We also have Anderson, Udina and Hackett picking him.

And we have Anderson saying the Council themselves saw something in Shepard.

And we have Nihlus saying he submitted his name as a canditate.

Which one will we choose? This is tougher than deciding whether or not to chill in the back seat or rock it in the front seat on a Friday.

[Zeus_Deus]

The Twilight God wrote...

AresXX7 wrote...

Actually Nihlus says he was the one who put Shepard's name forward as a candidate.
(because one of Shep's responses are - "Why would a Turian want in human in the Spectres?")
You can see it here (fast-forward to 2:38)

We also have Anderson, Udina and Hackett picking him.

And we have Anderson saying the Council themselves saw something in Shepard.

And we have Nihlus saying he submitted his name as a canditate.

Which one will we choose? This is tougher than deciding whether or not to chill in the back seat or rock it in the front seat on a Friday.

Maybe the Alliance puts forwards a shortlist, and the Spectres/Council have the final say.

After all I can imagine that the Council and Spectres have more important things to do than look through the service records and personnel reports of every single soldier in, in every one of the Citadel races - that could be a selection process involving millions of soldiers.

Let each race have their own selection process and the Council choose from the shortlist.

[amcnow]

This thread has been done to death. With that said, I'll give it a go...

I suspect the VS was made SPECTRE to replace Shepard; not necessarily to help him. The Alliance assumed Shepard was dead (and he kind of was). The VS already hints at working for the Council during Horizon in ME2.

The Alliance weren't fans of his talk about Reapers in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised if there was behind-the-scenes talk of replacing Shepard before he died.

The SPECTRE program grants extra equipment, but not skills.  Being a SPECTRE won't prevent the VS from stinking up the joint during combat.

Modifié par amcnow, 23 juin 2011 - 02:15 .

[alperez]

On the topic of the N7 rank and what part it might play in being a human spectre, it really only applies to Shepard not anyone else. We know Shepard was N7 and became a spectre and that's basically it, not that you must have N7 training or not having it in some ways makes it unlikely you'll be considered for spectre status.

Just simply in the case of the first successful human candidate Shepard was also N7. Why anyone would think that means that every future human spectre candidate must also have N7 training is a moot point, yes in some ways it might help move you up the list but other experience and political reasoning would also come into the equation.

Its no different than regular military and how someone would reach a certain level or be put forward for a certain position, rank and experience play a large role but you could be the most qualified candidate and still not get the job because of other reasons. Politics overules the military on certain appointments and having the right contacts can move your career forward in a much better direction.

In Shepard's case it seems both were applicable, N7 Training, a distinguished mission (whichever backround you pick) and the right political contacts Anderson etc. It just doesn't mean that everyone must follow exactly the same criteria.

[Badpie]

Zeus_Deus wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Zeus_Deus wrote...
It does make sense because I'm talking about human candidates and the Vermire Survivor is human, and Alliance.

The only other human Spectre candidate ever was Cpt. Anderson and he was N7.

Actually it doesn't since Spectres seem to not care to much about military rank but just general talent and potential. The only reason why they were so picky with a human spectre is because humanity wasn't even on the Council when Captain Anderson and Commander Shepard were looked at for possible recruitment. 

SPECTRES may not care about rank, but the Alliance does and they are the ones who choose a candidate to put forward - Remember the opening sequence of Mass Effect where you hear Cpt Anderson, Udina and Adm. Hackett talking?! - That wasn't just random banter, they were discussing Shepard for a candidate, with Udina finishing by saying he'll make the call [to the council].

You really think the Alliance will put forward someone who hasn't gone through N7 special forces training?

Apparently yes! 

[1136342t54_]

Also I doubt N7 are the best the Alliance has to offer. Black ops groups like Cerberus were once part of the Alliance. I'd bet they had special forces and black ops soldiers that may have been on a similar level to a N7.

[The Twilight God]

1136342t54 wrote...

Also I doubt N7 are the best the Alliance has to offer. Black ops groups like Cerberus were once part of the Alliance. I'd bet they had special forces and black ops soldiers that may have been on a similar level to a N7.

The 7 is what matters as it is a measure of proficiency. The letter is just the career field. A B7 could be just a skilled in a firefight as a N7. It's just that a B7 would be a frontline marine and and the N7 would specialize in missions outside the scope of open warfare. 

If it were up to me your MVC would change based on your class.

Sentinel and Infiltrator:  N7
Soldier and Vanguard:  B7
Engineer: M7
Adept: S7

Modifié par The Twilight God, 24 juin 2011 - 12:46 .

[RhiPanda]

What kinda bugs me, is that Shep was chosen to be a Spectre because Shep did something really noteworthy in his/her past. Shep either survived impossible odds or saved a lot of people and then continued to rise through the ranks. Then saved Eden Prime and proved that Saren was a traitor. What did the VS do that was so special to make them a Spectre?