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[salojeff]

When he/she is sleeping with/buddies with the most powerful information broker in the galaxy.

This has been continually bugging me. I know that an excuse was needed to bring Shepard to Earth, but a trial does not seem like the proper way to do it. What's the point of a trial if Liara (Give her 10 minutes and she can start a war) can just phone the Alliance and blackmail them? Putting Liara in a position of power that great essentially gives Shepard political immunity to anything.

You could argue "Liara wouldn't want to risk starting a war with the Reapers showing up any minute", but that just doesn't cut it. The Alliance would never actually proceed with any such trial if it meant getting dragged into a war.

It's the kind of problem that you can easily write yourself into, and it's impossible to get out. When you introduce a character with an incredible amount of power, so many potential conflicts become trivial and therefore very silly if you try to proceed with them anyway.

So my question is: how is Bioware going to accomodate for Liara's ability to single-handedly control galactic politics? Are we just going to skate around that and proceed with the trial, or is there an actual plan?

[Zeratul20]

Not if Liara/the Shadow Broker sees it as a way to finally show the galaxy that they're wrong about the Reapers.
She might see this trial as an opportunity to reveal some information to the general public, in a believable fashion.

(Heck, I don't know...)

[Tachai03]

Magic.

[MinotaurWarrior]

Hell, it's just ridiculous when he's a spectre (legal immunity) with a stealth ship (practical immunity) manned by space-batman (morale immunity, nobody willingly faces space-batman), and is, in fact, the most dangerous man in the galaxy. I figure my Shepard is only going to show up because he finds the concept of the alliance navy trying to forcibly arrest him utterly hilarious.

[Massadonious1]

You're assuming she actually wants to exercise her power in such a way.

[Knight of Dane]

I'm very interested to find out what her role at all will be.

Providing information she could do without being in the party, there must be some reason as to why she leaves the base to go shooting things with Shep again.
I don't know if it's just her long relationship with him/her that makes her come back, but i can't see why she would do it now if she wouldn't with the collectors.

Not that I'm complaining of course, she is my fav, but it will be interresting to discover.
Perhaps the SB base has been attacked or something?

[Knight of Dane]

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

Hell, it's just ridiculous when he's a spectre (legal immunity) with a stealth ship (practical immunity) manned by space-batman (morale immunity, nobody willingly faces space-batman), and is, in fact, the most dangerous man in the galaxy. I figure my Shepard is only going to show up because he finds the concept of the alliance navy trying to forcibly arrest him utterly hilarious.

S/he's immune to council law as long as s/he stays a spectre, (this is optional you know) but S/he's also still an alliance soldier, s/he's not immune to their laws.
Prob why the trial is on earth and not on the citadel.

[nitrog100]

Maybe Shepard feels a need to clear things up. He probably has evidence based on that datapad that Joker showed him at the end of the game and testimonies from all of the people that know that the Reapers are real. They can't have dismissed that claim.

[CheeseEnchilada]

Liara blackmailing the Alliance doesn't do anything about the batarians that are now out for Shepard's blood. This isn't something that she can cover up; a whole star system gone and over 300,000 deaths is a pretty big deal, and Liara isn't magic. Even if she did threaten high ranking officials on both sides into dropping charges, it does nothing for the common folk that now hate Shepard's guts. We don't need the universe divided during a Reaper invasion. It's better to embrace it as an opportunity than try to cover it up.

Besides, this gives Shepard a stage to talk about the Reapers. The whole galaxy is going to be watching this trial, after all.

[Infestation]

 My dear boy Salojeff, Shepard simply appears at the trial hearing and then says the oft repeated 3 word phrase that we're all fond of hearing.
I should go.

Modifié par Infestation, 21 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[Teknor]

SB never had a total grip in galaxy's politics. He just knew how to play the game.

[Aimi]

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

Hell, it's just ridiculous when he's a spectre (legal immunity) with a stealth ship (practical immunity) manned by space-batman (morale immunity, nobody willingly faces space-batman), and is, in fact, the most dangerous man in the galaxy. I figure my Shepard is only going to show up because he finds the concept of the alliance navy trying to forcibly arrest him utterly hilarious.

It's been made extremely clear that this trial is not a legal affair.  Shepard is not being put on trial for breaking a law, (s)he is being put on trial as a sop to the batarians in order to slow down the rush to war.  The facts are irrelevant, and Hackett acknowledged that.  

[Bogsnot1]

Turn the case around on its head. Claim Shep went to save the Batarian system from an illegal Alliance operation. Depending on how you played, you can even have some Batarian character references from:
BDtS: The Batarians who you meet after disabling the 2nd (or was it third?) torch. If you let them live, they might be willing to testify on your behalf.
Mordins Recruitment: Sick Batarian at the start, as well as the Batarians threatening Daniel. More to testify that you dont care about race, just that you are a good guy.

Failing that, Greybox = Case dismissed.

[Dexi]

If you do not understand a thing, that doesn't mean it doesn't got logic...

Spectre status can be removed ( Saren?), and probably the Alliance requested the Council to remove Shep's status, considering Shepard's actions.

Shepard NEEDS to take the hit because Hackett doesn't want a war with the Batarians.

So it's either Shepard on trial, or the Hegemony goes berserk. At least that's the initial judgement, because they probably didn't know the Batarian Systems were reap'd by the Reapers ( heck, they don't even believe in Reapers).

At the end of the E3 demo, we know that the Normandy comes to the rescue... You bet Liara has something to do with that.
In the pre-trial conditions, she was also aware of the tensions between the Hegemony and the Alliance ( duh!), so she probably thought Shep on Earth is for the best.

Also, ( BIG FACTOR HERE) it wasn't only the Hegemony calling for a trial on Shep, the humans in general also wanted that.
You know how the crowds are... they'd want the guy who nearly brought war on them to be punished. So it is for the best for Shep to go on Earth.

Also, I think Liara was doing other things with her status; having know that the Reapers are close, I'd use my information network to strengthen and give a warning to the council races, I'd search for safe-spots, places that the Reapers would have a harder time to find you, and I'd prepare intel and a plan for Shepard AND I'd sort it out to have the Normandy free by the time the Reapers reach Earth ( thing that, as we know from the E3 demo, happens).

Modifié par Dexi, 21 juin 2011 - 07:03 .

[Saberchic]

@op: Admiral Hackett stated that the batarians were looking for an excuse to start a war with humanity. Why would Liara calling the Alliance and blackmailing them stop the war?  The batarians are going to "call for blood" anyways. There's no getting around that. Besides, I know the Shadow Broker has pull, but nobody is that powerful. That's 300,000 lives that were lost.

[Infestation]

Saberchic wrote...

@op: Admiral Hackett stated that the batarians were looking for an excuse to start a war with humanity. Why would Liara calling the Alliance and blackmailing them stop the war?  The batarians are going to "call for blood" anyways. There's no getting around that. Besides, I know the Shadow Broker has pull, but nobody is that powerful. That's 300,000 lives that were lost.

Batarian lives. No one likes the Batarians. Bahahaha. They come into your online game using voice chat WITHOUT auto-translation. HUEHUEHUE BT? BT? GIEB MONIES PLIZ OR I REPORT YOU AND YOU IS GET BANNED.

[Goneaviking]

MinotaurWarrior wrote...

Hell, it's just ridiculous when he's a spectre (legal immunity) with a stealth ship (practical immunity) manned by space-batman (morale immunity, nobody willingly faces space-batman), and is, in fact, the most dangerous man in the galaxy. I figure my Shepard is only going to show up because he finds the concept of the alliance navy trying to forcibly arrest him utterly hilarious.

The council revoked Saren's spectre status, no reason they couldn't do the same to Shepherd should he become too embarassing for them. Hell, history is littered with leaders who disposed of too-successful generals when they started to look like potential rivals.

As for the stealth ship, at the very beginning of ME1 Kaidan points out that the council helped fund the development of the original Normandy and it's stealth system - the official reason for stationing Nihilus on the ship since they didn't feel like advertising the beacon or that they were considering giving Shepherd spectre status. Anyone with access to information on how the stealth system worked could conceivably find a way to see through the stealthiness.

So far as the space-batman goes... space-joker is always up for a fight and space-bane might even manage to break his back after running him through a gauntlet of manipulated cannon fodder.

[Spectre_907]

Goneaviking wrote...

The council revoked Saren's spectre status, no reason they couldn't do the same to Shepherd should he become too embarassing for them.

Except that there is no evidence to prove Shepard had any involvement in the Bahak system. With Saren and Eden Prime, there was. Shepard does not answer to the Alliance and the Council will just deny any Spectre involvement in the Terminus Systems. The motivations of the trial is purely political and it has nothing to do with the Council.

[Goneaviking]

I'm not thinking about evidence, just about politics. If Shepherd kept ranting about ancient killbots about to descend from the stars it could seem like the sensible option to remove spectre status from someone who seems to be mentally unstable.

Certainly better than having him potentially deteriorate publicly and cause embarassment to the council. Which is to say nothing of the harm that an unhinged spectre could do if left to his own devices.

[JadeEffect]

The alliance has a lot of dirt on them. Don't think Liara will start a war with the Reapers are coming.

[Malanek]

salojeff wrote...

When he/she is sleeping with/buddies with the most powerful information broker in the galaxy.

This has been continually bugging me. I know that an excuse was needed to bring Shepard to Earth, but a trial does not seem like the proper way to do it. What's the point of a trial if Liara (Give her 10 minutes and she can start a war) can just phone the Alliance and blackmail them? Putting Liara in a position of power that great essentially gives Shepard political immunity to anything.

Have you ever considered the fact that after collecting evidence throughout the duration of ME2, Shepard wants to go on trial. At trial she/he has as much time as wanted to present evidence of the Reapers to an intergalactic audience. And this is evidence that needs to be heard because the council has hushed things up. And by turning himself in, Shepard can effectively choose to have it on Earth and make sure the terms are suitable.

[Scy Lancer]

Do we know what they are putting him on trial for exactly? Was it because of what happened in the last DLC? Or could it be something else? Shepard is still in the Alliance Navy after all. They might be wanting him back for questioning. What with dealing with Cerberus and causing mayhem in the Terminus Systems and all.
What is the reason for the trial?

[George-Kinsill]

Malanek999 wrote...

salojeff wrote...

When he/she is sleeping with/buddies with the most powerful information broker in the galaxy.

This has been continually bugging me. I know that an excuse was needed to bring Shepard to Earth, but a trial does not seem like the proper way to do it. What's the point of a trial if Liara (Give her 10 minutes and she can start a war) can just phone the Alliance and blackmail them? Putting Liara in a position of power that great essentially gives Shepard political immunity to anything.

Have you ever considered the fact that after collecting evidence throughout the duration of ME2, Shepard wants to go on trial. At trial she/he has as much time as wanted to present evidence of the Reapers to an intergalactic audience. And this is evidence that needs to be heard because the council has hushed things up. And by turning himself in, Shepard can effectively choose to have it on Earth and make sure the terms are suitable.

Couldn't agree more i know for a fact that my Paragon Sheperd is the best persuasive speaker ever, and with the wvidence colleted from the collector base of Harbinger, he'l show everyone how real the Reaper threat is, with his closing argument him pointing out the window at invading Reapers and saying "I rest my case."

[Crackseed]

Because I made a promise to Hackett that when summoned, I would show up and answer for what happened. Granted, this is a Paragon response and there might be less reason for a Renegade to agree - but we are still human and largely a part of the Alliance.

@ Scy - it is about the events in Arrival, largely the destruction of a Relay and mass killing of 300k+ Batarians.

Modifié par crackseed, 22 juin 2011 - 01:47 .

[Scy Lancer]

I figured that mostly it would be from the Arrival DLC. Kinda makes people who didn't buy the dlc what is going on though. From a business stand point if might make people go buy the DLC. From a story stand point it might make things a little confusing unless they can tie in something else as well.