InHarmsWay wrote...
Of course this defense will be 100% effective once the Reaper war is over.
My bad.
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Putting Shepard On Trial
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 05:00
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My bad.
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#52
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 05:05
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MinotaurWarrior wrote...
Hell, it's just ridiculous when he's a spectre (legal immunity) with a stealth ship (practical immunity) manned by space-batman (morale immunity, nobody willingly faces space-batman), and is, in fact, the most dangerous man in the galaxy. I figure my Shepard is only going to show up because he finds the concept of the alliance navy trying to forcibly arrest him utterly hilarious.
Punisher, batman does not kill, garrus is more like space PUNISHER
#53
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 05:24
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The one thing I never got was that the Alliance declared Shepard dead. As in, no longer part of the chain of command. It is common knowledge that Shepard died. Random finks and mooks know it. Thus, even if Alliance brass issued a summons, Shepard could just tell them to ****** off. There might be repurcussions, but essentially he could just walk away...or rather fly away in a ship capable of nigh-invisibility. This, of course, could be Jedi Hand-Waved away with a simple PR excuse; "Oh, Shep went dark and needed a cover story to help maintain anonymity." The point remains, from a point of canon and a realistic point of view, he could just walk away, especially if you went Pro-Cerberus.
With one exception.
The point at which you try to make a transmission, you are required to do something, either try to warn the Batarians or call the Normandy. Burst radio transmission is just that, radio waves. They travel through space, we know this. We talk to satellites and rovers on Mars with them. They keep going for a long, long, long time. This means that if even a snippet of transmission is received by ANYONE, it could be used as evidence placing Shepard in the mere vicinity of the Alpha Relay. While this is circumstancial and by no means concrete proof, one must think of the perception of the Batarians.
They hate humans, moreso than any other species in the galaxy. They want all humans dead. Even when you save some of them, or hold up your end of a bargin, they have some snide comment (neverminding that I personally kill every single one that I can; Bioware did an excellent job of painting them as villians, though subjectively). If there is a remote, faint, incredibly unreliable source of information that Shepard was at least in the star system before it went supernova, they would call for blood. Between the Colonist, War Hero, amd Ruthless stories, Shepard would make a great target for some warped Batarian propaganda.
There is also the matter than Kenson broke, or more likely, told the Batarians about the Project. Since she was indoctrinated, she very well could have willingly told her captors about the plan in order to get them to stop the destruction of Alpha -- and herald the return of the Reapers. Regardless, it is mentioned that she DID tell the Batarians about the plan, and interplanetary communications is a staple in the story's canon.
Whether or not the blame could be pinned on Shepard, the Batarians would know it was direct human involvment that resulted in mass genocide. In the context of the character, if I was Shepard, I would have broken just about every window in the Normandy a la Grunt; pounding my head in frustration over everyone dismissing my claims. This would be an opportunity to get on the biggest soapbox available and say what I need to.
In context, Shepard HAS to go to this trial. He simply must. And, perhaps, trial is the wrong word for what this is. Perhaps it is like a Senatorial Hearing. People are assuming that the Alpha Relay is the reason for this hearing, but there are quite a number of things that Shepard could face in a situation like this. He was gone for two years, and if the Alliance really wants him back, it could be something along the lines of a court martial, to find out the cause of dereliction of duty. Your superiors would be somewhat miffed if you got the multi-billion credit, hyper advanced, top secret vessel destroyed and disappeared for two and a half years.
It is mentioned in Hackett's LotSB dossier that the Alliance knows Shepard was working for, or with, Cerberus, and wants to debrief him. Wouldn't you like to know why a hero and Major-grade officer was galavanting around with the PLA? If you shift the context, it is obviously why Shepard WOULD go back to Earth.
My only question is why is it forcedly vague. No one offers insight on the nature of the "trial," which to me says it's a major plot point. Maybe we should take a step back and consider exactly what Shepard is being accused of. I hope BioWare has some grand plan to make sense of this, other than the insistence that the Batarians have some Space Wizard that knows, infallibly, that Shepard was instrumental in the destruction of Alpha Relay.
I mean, he DID, but dammit, that's not the point. >_>
(Another thought is that we know the Reapers have indoctrinated slaves of various degrees in the galaxy. Object Rho and the one that was found on Palaven and whatnot. Who is to say that once they realized they could not stop Shepard, that Jimmy the Faceless Mook didn't send a message directly to the Hegemony blaming Shepard?)
Ah, food for thought.
With one exception.
The point at which you try to make a transmission, you are required to do something, either try to warn the Batarians or call the Normandy. Burst radio transmission is just that, radio waves. They travel through space, we know this. We talk to satellites and rovers on Mars with them. They keep going for a long, long, long time. This means that if even a snippet of transmission is received by ANYONE, it could be used as evidence placing Shepard in the mere vicinity of the Alpha Relay. While this is circumstancial and by no means concrete proof, one must think of the perception of the Batarians.
They hate humans, moreso than any other species in the galaxy. They want all humans dead. Even when you save some of them, or hold up your end of a bargin, they have some snide comment (neverminding that I personally kill every single one that I can; Bioware did an excellent job of painting them as villians, though subjectively). If there is a remote, faint, incredibly unreliable source of information that Shepard was at least in the star system before it went supernova, they would call for blood. Between the Colonist, War Hero, amd Ruthless stories, Shepard would make a great target for some warped Batarian propaganda.
There is also the matter than Kenson broke, or more likely, told the Batarians about the Project. Since she was indoctrinated, she very well could have willingly told her captors about the plan in order to get them to stop the destruction of Alpha -- and herald the return of the Reapers. Regardless, it is mentioned that she DID tell the Batarians about the plan, and interplanetary communications is a staple in the story's canon.
Whether or not the blame could be pinned on Shepard, the Batarians would know it was direct human involvment that resulted in mass genocide. In the context of the character, if I was Shepard, I would have broken just about every window in the Normandy a la Grunt; pounding my head in frustration over everyone dismissing my claims. This would be an opportunity to get on the biggest soapbox available and say what I need to.
In context, Shepard HAS to go to this trial. He simply must. And, perhaps, trial is the wrong word for what this is. Perhaps it is like a Senatorial Hearing. People are assuming that the Alpha Relay is the reason for this hearing, but there are quite a number of things that Shepard could face in a situation like this. He was gone for two years, and if the Alliance really wants him back, it could be something along the lines of a court martial, to find out the cause of dereliction of duty. Your superiors would be somewhat miffed if you got the multi-billion credit, hyper advanced, top secret vessel destroyed and disappeared for two and a half years.
It is mentioned in Hackett's LotSB dossier that the Alliance knows Shepard was working for, or with, Cerberus, and wants to debrief him. Wouldn't you like to know why a hero and Major-grade officer was galavanting around with the PLA? If you shift the context, it is obviously why Shepard WOULD go back to Earth.
My only question is why is it forcedly vague. No one offers insight on the nature of the "trial," which to me says it's a major plot point. Maybe we should take a step back and consider exactly what Shepard is being accused of. I hope BioWare has some grand plan to make sense of this, other than the insistence that the Batarians have some Space Wizard that knows, infallibly, that Shepard was instrumental in the destruction of Alpha Relay.
I mean, he DID, but dammit, that's not the point. >_>
(Another thought is that we know the Reapers have indoctrinated slaves of various degrees in the galaxy. Object Rho and the one that was found on Palaven and whatnot. Who is to say that once they realized they could not stop Shepard, that Jimmy the Faceless Mook didn't send a message directly to the Hegemony blaming Shepard?)
Ah, food for thought.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 06:02
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Shepard (the face on alliance recruitment ads) died, reappeared two years later with a bootleg copy of the most advanced warship in the galaxy built and staffed by Cerberus (considered a terrorist group), started palling around with psychotic murderers like Jack, single-handedly wiped out an entire technologically advanced species (genocide), killed a council Spectre in broad daylight and then blew up an entire star system.
I'd say the Alliance is justified in asking him what the hell he's playing at.
I'd say the Alliance is justified in asking him what the hell he's playing at.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 06:12
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RaveTDC wrote...
My only question is why is it forcedly vague. No one offers insight on the nature of the "trial," which to me says it's a major plot point. Maybe we should take a step back and consider exactly what Shepard is being accused of. I hope BioWare has some grand plan to make sense of this, other than the insistence that the Batarians have some Space Wizard that knows, infallibly, that Shepard was instrumental in the destruction of Alpha Relay.
The batarians do not know Shepard was involved in the Bahak incident. Hackett even says this himself, "Evidence against you is shoddy at best." All the batarians know is that (and this is probably stretching credibility enough) there were humans in the Bahak system that were charged with acts of terrorism and the star system was destroyed after they were apprehended. That's it.
All this is is the Alliance jumping at an opportunity to do something that they've been wanting to do for the longest. I think Hackett's dossier on Hagalaz made that clear.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 06:37
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MyOpinionSucks wrote...
Shepard (the face on alliance recruitment ads) died, reappeared two years later with a bootleg copy of the most advanced warship in the galaxy built and staffed by Cerberus (considered a terrorist group), started palling around with psychotic murderers like Jack, single-handedly wiped out an entire technologically advanced species (genocide), killed a council Spectre in broad daylight and then blew up an entire star system.
I'd say the Alliance is justified in asking him what the hell he's playing at.
Indubitably. Which is why the "trial" is more than "Zomg u killd teh four0eyed peoplez u hav to pay!!1".
...A Spectre that was taking orders from the Shadow Broker and attacked a public building to cover her failed assassination outside of Council Space, but I digress. >_>
Spectre_907 wrote...
The batarians do not know Shepard was involved in the Bahak incident. Hackett even says this himself, "Evidence against you is shoddy at best." All the batarians know is that (and this is probably stretching credibility enough) there were humans in the Bahak system that were charged with acts of terrorism and the star system was destroyed after they were apprehended. That's it.
All this is is the Alliance jumping at an opportunity to do something that they've been wanting to do for the longest. I think Hackett's dossier on Hagalaz made that clear.
The only thing I have to say there is that ME3 takes place an unspecified number of months after The Arrival DLC. We really can't know for sure what happened in the time that Shepard was drugged or what information was able to be obtained after the destruction of the Alpha Relay. It's somewhat a moot point and mere speculation, but I hope something comes about from it. Something not so forced, rather.
Would be kind of interesting if your background played into it, no? Say, for example, my Ruthless Vanguard would be fiercely headhunted by the Batarians with only the slightest evidence, but a Sole Survivor Sentinel would promote a more tepid investigation?
Hmmmm.
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#57
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 07:15
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I don't imagine Liara will be the Shadow Broker for long. She's far too busy, running around the galaxy, to maintain her work as the Shadow Broker. I imagine that she'll be releaved of the title. Or she'll hand it over to Feron, and he'll turn on her again. She said he's done it before, I could see him getting all that power and pulling yet another 180 on her.
That or she wants the trial to go through.
Or maybe because the trial is like mere hours after the final DLC of Mass Effect 2 she doesn' t have the time to pull the needed strings. The fact is that the Shadow Broker has limits in what he could pull off too. So she could start a war, she didn't say what kind. It could just mean she could start a plantary war, not a galactic war.
I'll stick with the "She is releaved of her title" assumption though.
That or she wants the trial to go through.
Or maybe because the trial is like mere hours after the final DLC of Mass Effect 2 she doesn' t have the time to pull the needed strings. The fact is that the Shadow Broker has limits in what he could pull off too. So she could start a war, she didn't say what kind. It could just mean she could start a plantary war, not a galactic war.
I'll stick with the "She is releaved of her title" assumption though.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 08:03
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I always figured Shepard could get out of the trial if s/he was acting as a council SPECTRE, not as an alliance officer. S/he's be outside Alliance jurisdiction.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 09:41
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I think it boils down to, Shepard knows the Reapers are coming. And as badass as Shep is, they can't defeat thousands or millions of Reapers with 12 soldiers and 1 ship. Shepard needs help. Needs all the races of Galaxy, and the Alliance. And if war breaks out with the Batarian's vs Alliance, that's another problem as the Reapers need to be the main threat.
Which is why Shepard is allowing the trial. Having been shown that the Alliance really does believe in the Reapers after all thanks to Arrival, it's the chance to defuse the war and start getting everyone prepared. Even a Renagade would know this.
Now, Shepard could opt to ignore all this and just hide out in space with the Normandy and Liara running interferance so the Alliance and Batarian's won't find them. But that would basically doom the galaxy as War would break out, and then the Reapers would invade and crush everyone.
Which is why Shepard is allowing the trial. Having been shown that the Alliance really does believe in the Reapers after all thanks to Arrival, it's the chance to defuse the war and start getting everyone prepared. Even a Renagade would know this.
Now, Shepard could opt to ignore all this and just hide out in space with the Normandy and Liara running interferance so the Alliance and Batarian's won't find them. But that would basically doom the galaxy as War would break out, and then the Reapers would invade and crush everyone.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 09:49
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Scy Lancer wrote...
I figured that mostly it would be from the Arrival DLC. Kinda makes people who didn't buy the dlc what is going on though. From a business stand point if might make people go buy the DLC. From a story stand point it might make things a little confusing unless they can tie in something else as well.
In Short:
You joyride an asteroid into a Mass Relay and make it explode, wiping out an entire system of planets, which had a colonized planet of Batarians with 300,000 people living on it.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 10:38
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Liara probably could get Shepard out of hot water I suppose but I wouldn't take it so literally...maybe Liara doesn't have the power to do something like that?
The Batarians and probably a lot of humans want blood and it is a pretty big deal.
Also chances are Shepard has heaps of backing already with the trial, even IF the reapers didn't attack he probably would get off the hook or get a light sentence or maybe they'd fake his death or imprisonment or something (the Alliance just wouldn't want to get rid of him I bet)
The Batarians and probably a lot of humans want blood and it is a pretty big deal.
Also chances are Shepard has heaps of backing already with the trial, even IF the reapers didn't attack he probably would get off the hook or get a light sentence or maybe they'd fake his death or imprisonment or something (the Alliance just wouldn't want to get rid of him I bet)
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 11:25
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Liara could keep Shepard from being arrested if they opt not to show up and Alliance tries for an arrest. But as mentioned that would be counter productive as it would hurt the fight against the Reapers. Shep wants to stand trial.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 03:43
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AquamanOS wrote...
Liara could keep Shepard from being arrested if they opt not to show up and Alliance tries for an arrest. But as mentioned that would be counter productive as it would hurt the fight against the Reapers. Shep wants to stand trial.
Speak for yourself. My Shep would rather not. I personally think starting ME3 pigeonholed into a trial is beyond stupid; but I may be in the minority. With that said, I am looking forward to the Reapers dropping in and saying "Oh hi!". Hopefully, the Reapers t-bag the Alliance (Halo style) after they're done with them just to add more insult to injury. Even I can admit this will make an epic "I told you so" moment. So I guess a part of me wants my Shep to stand trial afterall (from a foreshadowing standpoint).
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