Zimmer writes the same song over and over again. His work is the very definition of generic Hollywood film score.
Mass Effect 3: New Ending Main Theme or keep the old?
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#52
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 11:12
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KingDavid007 wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Hans Zimmer? Please.
"Oh man he used crescendo! So EPIC!!"
And I suppose you can do better. LMAO.
Irrelevant. I don't have to be a master chef to know the soup tastes bad.
#53
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 11:17
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marshalleck wrote...
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ME2 had some great songs. Suicide Mission is not one of them.
Pray tell, which songs did you like?
So, just to name a few I liked, which I thought had interesting dynamics or were exceptionally effective in establishing mood for their respective scenes (and just in the order I'm able to recall them, not in order of preference):
The Attack
Miranda
Freedom's Progress
Samara (First use of human vocals/chanting in Mass Effect, not including the pop song in ME1 credits?)
Horizon
Mordin (Especially this one! I love the callbacks to 50s scifi theremins and little men in grey suits--salarians are very similar to the traditional "grey" alien concept, and it amuses me that it's incorporated into his theme. Clever!)
Jack (specifically the absolutely crushing electro-grind at 3:40, fits her so well)
Legion
The Collector Base (eerie ambience perfected)
Yeah, that electro-grind... I still remember the first time I played ME2 and Jack broke out of her "cell" and that music comes in just as you get control of Shepard, it psyched me right up, I felt like impersonating Vasquez from Aliens: "Let's ROCK!" [opens fire] haha
Interesting comment on the Mordin theme. I hadn't really seen it that way but it makes sense.
Miranda's music is okay, but it didn't move me. Maybe that's why I could never get into Miranda, lol
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#54
Posté 21 juin 2011 - 11:52
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marshalleck wrote...
Zimmer writes the same song over and over again. His work is the very definition of generic Hollywood film score.
Yup, his songs are very similar, however they are all very very well done. He can make me get goosebumps like no other. And also when you do as many soundtracks as he's done, of course some will start to sound the same. But nonetheless, its an amazing sound.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 01:47
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To be honest, the sound of Mass Effect - aside from it's brilliant voice acts - always felt like the "weak spot" of the game to me.
The soundtrack has it's moments, like when you're promoted to spectre status, or see the SR2 for the first time, but imho it fails to keep up with the otherwise very high production value of the franchise. A game of this proportions deserves better than having it's themes disrupted by aging synth-trumpets -strings.
A lot of great games like Outcast (!), Morrowind & Oblivion, Battlefield Bad Company 1+2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Crysis 2, etc..... wouldn't be half the experience they are without their impressive orchestral soundtracks.
Mass Effect's arrangements work very well but they lack of tonal and emotional richness only a philharmonic orchestra can provide, especially given the dramatic background.
Weapon FX really need to improve as well, that's why im very excited about Bioware's cooperation with DICE's sound engeneers, they never failed to deliver absolutly stunning audio fx ( )
The soundtrack has it's moments, like when you're promoted to spectre status, or see the SR2 for the first time, but imho it fails to keep up with the otherwise very high production value of the franchise. A game of this proportions deserves better than having it's themes disrupted by aging synth-trumpets -strings.
A lot of great games like Outcast (!), Morrowind & Oblivion, Battlefield Bad Company 1+2, Metal Gear Solid 4, Crysis 2, etc..... wouldn't be half the experience they are without their impressive orchestral soundtracks.
Mass Effect's arrangements work very well but they lack of tonal and emotional richness only a philharmonic orchestra can provide, especially given the dramatic background.
Weapon FX really need to improve as well, that's why im very excited about Bioware's cooperation with DICE's sound engeneers, they never failed to deliver absolutly stunning audio fx ( )
#56
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 01:53
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The synth is part of ME's identity, like the lens flare. I like it, it needs to stay!
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 01:54
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sedaleare wrote...
...the otherwise very high production value of the franchise.
Wait... what??
Are you sure you know what "production value" means?
#58
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 02:01
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marshalleck wrote...
KingDavid007 wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Hans Zimmer? Please.
"Oh man he used crescendo! So EPIC!!"
And I suppose you can do better. LMAO.
Irrelevant. I don't have to be a master chef to know the soup tastes bad.
Why is Zimmer's music more popular than ME's soundtracks?
There goes the answer.
I guess millions of people like bad tastes.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 02:07
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Popularity is not an accurate measure of quality.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 02:12
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True dat.Sgt Stryker wrote...
Popularity is not an accurate measure of quality.
#61
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 02:23
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KingDavid007 wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
KingDavid007 wrote...
marshalleck wrote...
Hans Zimmer? Please.
"Oh man he used crescendo! So EPIC!!"
And I suppose you can do better. LMAO.
Irrelevant. I don't have to be a master chef to know the soup tastes bad.
Why is Zimmer's music more popular than ME's soundtracks?
There goes the answer.
I guess millions of people like bad tastes.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 08:29
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I'm with marshalleck. Hans Zimmer has a few tracks that are 'ok', but most of his stuff is generic Hollywood garbage. The melodies are childish sounding. In a bad way. At least, that's how I feel.
And NO, a soundtrack doesn't need tons of strings to be emotional and 'epic'. I hate this belief that for something to be emotional, you need 'real' instruments. I personally find tracks like Vigil and the Galaxy map music way more emotional and fitting for a game like Mass Effect. It's lonely music. It's the soundtrack for a guy (Shepard) exploring the universe, him and his crew, all alone. The soundtrack for the first game was a masterpiece. Of course horns and strings are okay for moments like the Suicide mission and the attack on the Citadel, but jeez, not every moment needs these overly bombastic orchestral themes!
I personally felt that the ME2 soundtrack was a step in the wrong direction. The only themes I really liked was Thane's, Legions and the music in the Collector base. The suicide mission track was ok too. The rest sounded like outtakes for the Dragon Age soundtrack. Not that I don't like the Dragon Age soundtrack, but it just doesn't fit into the Mass Effect universe, an it totally killed the mood a lot of the time.
TL;DR: Clint Mansell, please bring back the synths. And please leave themes like the galaxy map music, Vigil and the Mass Effect theme alone. You're quite talented, and it would make me sad to hear you make a generic action movie soundtrack like Mass Effect 2's. Thank you.
And NO, a soundtrack doesn't need tons of strings to be emotional and 'epic'. I hate this belief that for something to be emotional, you need 'real' instruments. I personally find tracks like Vigil and the Galaxy map music way more emotional and fitting for a game like Mass Effect. It's lonely music. It's the soundtrack for a guy (Shepard) exploring the universe, him and his crew, all alone. The soundtrack for the first game was a masterpiece. Of course horns and strings are okay for moments like the Suicide mission and the attack on the Citadel, but jeez, not every moment needs these overly bombastic orchestral themes!
I personally felt that the ME2 soundtrack was a step in the wrong direction. The only themes I really liked was Thane's, Legions and the music in the Collector base. The suicide mission track was ok too. The rest sounded like outtakes for the Dragon Age soundtrack. Not that I don't like the Dragon Age soundtrack, but it just doesn't fit into the Mass Effect universe, an it totally killed the mood a lot of the time.
TL;DR: Clint Mansell, please bring back the synths. And please leave themes like the galaxy map music, Vigil and the Mass Effect theme alone. You're quite talented, and it would make me sad to hear you make a generic action movie soundtrack like Mass Effect 2's. Thank you.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 10:36
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At least, that's how I feel. I personally find tracks like Vigil and the Galaxy map music way more emotional and fitting for a game like Mass Effect.
Uh, I never found anything remotely emotional about Vigil when it was used in ME1. I thought it was better used after beating the Shadow Broker, and that was it. As for the Galaxy Map, nothing resonated with me AT ALL. I could even say the same thing for most of the ME1's soundtrack, and the only ones I liked were the Virmire-related soundtracks, the Love Theme, and the last three songs of the game (i.e. From The Wreckage, The End [Reprise], and Faunts M4 Part 2). The rest of the songs just could have rotted in hell for all I cared at the time.
I personally felt that the ME2 soundtrack was a step in the wrong direction. The only themes I really liked was Thane's, Legions and the music in the Collector base. The suicide mission track was ok too. The rest sounded like outtakes for the Dragon Age soundtrack. Not that I don't like the Dragon Age soundtrack, but it just doesn't fit into the Mass Effect universe, an it totally killed the mood a lot of the time.
Felt the opposite. I can remember every song playing on the list and love listening to them on a repetitive basis just because it actually got me pumped. If I find nothing memorable or find myself apathetic about musical scores, then the composer did not do its job.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 11:23
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I thought the main theme was brilliant in ME1 & 2, it should remain untouched. I loved the Lazarus project music since it reused it in but with a female singing. The new composer has some work on his hands if he's to beat ME2's score. ME 1 had a pretty fitting sound track but ME 2 was just epic.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 11:44
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So if you don't like the soundtrack the composer didn't do his job? As far as I'm concerned, soundtracks are used to help establish the mood. If the music is fitting to the universe, didn't the composer do his/her job?Lunatic LK47 wrote...
I personally felt that the ME2 soundtrack was a step in the wrong direction. The only themes I really liked was Thane's, Legions and the music in the Collector base. The suicide mission track was ok too. The rest sounded like outtakes for the Dragon Age soundtrack. Not that I don't like the Dragon Age soundtrack, but it just doesn't fit into the Mass Effect universe, an it totally killed the mood a lot of the time.
Felt the opposite. I can remember every song playing on the list and love listening to them on a repetitive basis just because it actually got me pumped. If I find nothing memorable or find myself apathetic about musical scores, then the composer did not do its job.
There's quite a few movies and games out there where I find the music to be really uninteresting and bland, even thought hey totally fit the mood. I guess the composer for these didn't do his/her job for these either then. To me, it sounds like you just don't like synthesized music.
I respect Jack Wall, Sam Hullick and everyone else who worked on the soundtrack. But in my opinion, they did a way better job creating a fitting soundtrack for the 1st Mass Effect than they did for the 2nd one. If I remeber correctly, Mass Effect tried to pay tribute to all the classic sci-fi from the 80's, with everything from the retro looking armors and synth based soundtrack. I'm not saying that I want to ME3 soundtrack to be nothing but bleeps and blops. I'm just hoping that Clint Mansell will be able to find a nice balance between the orchestral elements and synthesizers for the ME3 soundtrack, just like Jack Wall did for the first game.
