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[S.A.K]

Garrus and Tali seems to be the most popular among the Mass Effect characters. They have been squad members in both ME games and are confirmed for ME3. Thanks in large part to their fan base. While they have huge fan bases(which sometimes can be annoying) they have their share of hates. Resently there have been many threads talking against them. Some people accuse them of "stealing spot light from other major characters." Well these are somr of the reasons I think these two are popular.

• Both stayed with shepard for longer than any other character.
• They are both aliens which some people find interesting.
• Both of them are well developed characters(like most other squad mates)
• Can be romanced by shepard in ME2.

Other than these facts, Garrus is a sniper which is pretty damn useful and I also think Tali's combat dron is one of the most useful powers if you know how to use it. Tali got that mask adding some mistery to her character and people usually like mistery. Garrus got his scar and people seems to have a soft spot for guys with scars(dunno why). So if you have any ideas why they are popular or hated you are welcome to share them.

Modifié par S.A.K, 21 juin 2011 - 12:53 .

[Russalka]

Pure sex appeal.

[Smeelia]

Garrus and Tali are probably my top two favourite characters (although Mordin became a strong competitor even with one less game) and they have been since the first game.

I think Garrus is a strong character because he has a lot of character development (probably the most in ME1).  You could influence the way he saw things so it felt like he really listened and looked up to Shepard and whatever way the conversations went it still felt true to his character.  He also had a pretty good personality, I like the light hearted way he takes most situations and he does a good job of injecting some humour without feeling like he doesn't take things seriously.  I think he does quite well as a kind of apprentice for Shepard that grows into a kind of equal over time.  I don't really think the romance options are necessary for me since he makes a pretty good "friend" character but I do think that the option was quite well implemented (and it's better that it's in ME2 where he feels like more of an equal to Shepard).

I like Tali for similar reasons really, I tend to think of Shepard as being a kind of father figure for her.  This is expanded in ME2, particularly on her loyalty mission.  Again, she kind of grows from the first game and becomes a strong and independent character but at the same time she's not afraid to lean on her friends when she has to (though Shepard maybe becomes more like family).  In a way, I might prefer not having the romance option because it did make things a bit awkward but at the same time I can see how it makes sense and the turn down option was one of the strongest out of all the romances.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I can see where people that don't like them might be coming from but for me they're great characters.

[arne1234]

Russalka wrote...

Pure sex appeal.

Oh yes nothing is sexier then putting a mans skull on the outside and then finishing it up with a rifle shot in the face. Instant hotness.

[Volus Warlord]

Well Tali is a nerd, and Garrus is kinda awkward..

so I guess they represent the fanbase's dream relationship?

[Bad King]

arne1234 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Pure sex appeal.

Oh yes nothing is sexier then putting a mans skull on the outside and then finishing it up with a rifle shot in the face. Instant hotness.

This is actually a very good way of summing up Garrus's face. Although you forgot the facepaint.

Modifié par Bad King, 21 juin 2011 - 01:21 .

[CroGamer002]

Russalka wrote...

Pure sex appeal.

Lizard and a bucket sex appeal?

[S.A.K]

Mesina2 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Pure sex appeal.

Lizard and a bucket sex appeal?

lol

Modifié par S.A.K, 21 juin 2011 - 01:29 .

[arne1234]

Bad King wrote...

arne1234 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Pure sex appeal.

Oh yes nothing is sexier then putting a mans skull on the outside and then finishing it up with a rifle shot in the face. Instant hotness.

This is actually a very good way of summing up Garrus's face. Although you forgot the facepaint.

Here 's hoping Tali doesn't get a bucket of acid on her face before they show her. It would be funny tough if Shepard made some remarks abouth her nose job from me:1 -2

[Antivenger]

It's just my opinion here, but my guess is that the exoticness of both character's species play a large role in their fanbase's perception. Everything else from that point on would be greatly exaggerated in a positive light, perhaps even to the point of denying any negative traits.

"Garrus is upset about losing his team? Oh, poor thing! Although he has a rough and gruff exterior, inside he's a sensitive soul!"

"Most of Tali's team died on Freedom's Progress? Oh, it's not her fault. It's Prazza's! Even though it was her responsibility to take charge, Prazza was too brash!"

EDIT: Hmm, maybe some slight bashing here. Just trying to make a point, sorry if I offend.

Modifié par Antivenger, 21 juin 2011 - 01:52 .

[PauseforEffect]

OP just about nailed it. I'd like to also add personality appeal. Tali's tough without being snarky about it while Garrus is more masculine in attitude than Kaiden (just a personal opinion, Kaiden still had merits).
Well that and there's the heart droppingly awesome moments of them sniping or shotgunning a Geth Prime in the head

[KenKenpachi]

Fanservice.

[Wulfram]

Voice

[CroGamer002]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Fanservice.

Eh, that doesn't explain popularity.

You get fanservice for popularity.
And that's not a bad thing.

[AngelicMachinery]

I think some people may believe that Summer Glau is under the helmet...

[lovgreno]

Mesina2 wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Fanservice.

Eh, that doesn't explain popularity.

You get fanservice for popularity.
And that's not a bad thing.

The hipsters think fanservice and popularity is a bad thing. It makes them feel more smart and special to say that we are stupid and easily led just because we like things that happens to be popular.

As for the actual topic:

1. Original and cool designs that realy looks alien.
2. Two great voice actors.
3. The only real friends Shepard have left in a cynic and harsh galaxy.
4. The fact that their very fictional existence bothers the hipsters so much that they in desperation manages to troll themselves.

[lovgreno]

Mesina2 wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Pure sex appeal.

Lizard and a bucket sex appeal?

Fair enough. Works for me.

[RPGamer13]

Fanservice would be giving Tali a much larger chest and backside.  And I don't know what the females think would be Fanservice for Garrus.

To me, the Quarian masks are like glasses on a human, there's just something about them that draws you in.

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I think some people may believe that Summer Glau is under the helmet...

Not me, I don't get her appeal.

[arne1234]

Summer glau isn't involved in mass effect or any other video game that I am aware off

[Asari_Party]

I used to really like Tali (Garrus not so much), but my view on her is starting to sour because of all the fans overhyping her character.

lovgreno wrote...

3. The only real friends Shepard have left in a cynic and harsh galaxy.

That's a good example.

[Cutlass Jack]

Team Dextro was my team before that team even had a name.

Tali showed more personality through voice and body language than most characters with a face. That was whats appealing about her to me. They could have gone the 'ooh you can't see my face, I'm mysterious!' route with her, but instead went the exact opposite direction. Made her the most open and easy to like.

Garrus has the whole 'cop on the edge' theme going for him. From the beginning he was the only squadmate who's conflicts seem to mirror the whole Paragon/Renegade choices Shepard does. Even though he's Turian, he's easy to relate to.

As a team they always had my back without question. That becomes doubly true in ME2 where you learn who your true friends are. But it would be unfair of me to not include Liara and Wrex in that number, who proved truer friends than I even realized first time around.

On a gameplay level, both were the 'lockpickers' of ME1 so it was likely people would be attached to one or the other on that basis. They were also the two best vs. Geth. In ME2 they had less overlap so Team Dex got even better in my opinion.

The romance part is a smaller reason. Admittedly I didn't realize Tali wasn't romancable on my first time through and was the one I connected most with personality-wise. I never felt her romance was fanservice because it felt hinted at the first time around. The Garrus romance did feel a little out of left field, but the scenes were amusing.


(edit: grammar/typos.)

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 21 juin 2011 - 02:59 .

[ADLegend21]

They're exotic. Bioware tries to paint Garrus as a badass and Tali as a girl next door type charater. Tali's also mysterious since we only know the shape of her body and not what she really looks like so everyone's imagination of her looks are projected onto her. Granted they are pretty cool, but their popularity does sort of hold them back, as evidence of the LoTSB files on garrus that says he'll never each his full potential if he stays with Shepard.

[S.A.K]

Roxy12 wrote...

I used to really like Tali (Garrus not so much), but my view on her is starting to sour because of all the fans overhyping her character.

Don't let others change you view on the characters. Hell if you start letting trolls and fans affect your outlook you won't have any characters to like!

Modifié par S.A.K, 21 juin 2011 - 03:00 .

[S.A.K]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Team Dextro was my team before that team even had a name.

Tali showed more personality through voice and body language than most characters with a face show. That was whats appealing about her to me. They could have gone the 'ooh you can't see my face, I'm mysterious!' route with her, but instead went the exact opposite direction. Made her the most open and easy to like.

Garrus has the whole 'cop on the edge' theme going for him. Even from the beginning he was the only squadmate who's conflicts seem to mirror the whole Paragon/Renegade choices Shepard does. Even though he's Turian, he's easy to relate to.

As a team they always had my back without question. That becomes doubly true in ME2 where you learn who your true friends are. But it would be unfair of me to not include Liara and Wrex in that number, who proved truer friends than I even realized first time around.

On a gameplay level, both were the 'lockpickers' of ME1 so it was incredibly likely people would be attached to one or the other. They were also the two best vs. Geth. In ME2 they had less overlap so Team Dex got even better in my opinion.

The romance part is a smaller reason. Though admittedly I didn't realize Tali wasn't romancable on my first time through and was the one I connected most with personality-wise. I never felt her romance was fanservice because it felt hinted at to me the first time around. The Garrus romance did feel a little out of left field, but the scenes were amusing.

Pretty much agree on all that. I think Liara and wrex should have given bigger roles too. But atleast they got respectable roles in ME2.