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[Uzrbital]

I just hope it's a innocent face that actually fits to her voice...

[Quole]

[somecthemes]

I see a lot of NO space elf posts across the threads, along with ones about no hair, no glowing eyes. I'm kinda the opposite, I like the look of Liara because she looks like a very cute, though blue, human with odd hair. I have to suspect that's one of the factor's that's lead her to being so popular with a lot of the board. And glowing eyes, well that's so Stargate that they'd just have to include it. So, while it may fly in the face of science and logical impulse, I say she can be Merrill is space, as long as it's the same voice actress. Love that accent.
EDIT: ^ Excellent, Quole, something like that is fine by me. Nice picture, by the way.

Modifié par somecthemes, 28 juillet 2011 - 03:50 .

[Bcuz]

somecthemes wrote...

I see a lot of NO space elf posts across the threads, along with ones about no hair, no glowing eyes. I'm kinda the opposite, I like the look of Liara because she looks like a very cute, though blue, human with odd hair. I have to suspect that's one of the factor's that's lead her to being so popular with a lot of the board. And glowing eyes, well that's so Stargate that they'd just have to include it. So, while it may fly in the face of science and logical impulse, I say she can be Merrill is space, as long as it's the same voice actress. Love that accent.
EDIT: ^ Excellent, Quole, something like that is fine by me. Nice picture, by the way.

Ahem...
Oh yes, and it does say in the Codex that Quarians have odd ears by human standards, while most things remain similar. What consititutes odd is ambiguous as all hell but I think they determined "space elf with glowing eyes" from the start here.

Not really anything wrong with that, I don't think there actually have been too many space-elves in gaming. Plenty of space and elves, but rare ever are they brought into one being.

On a related note, FTL travel flys in the face of science and any alien life (within the feesible universe, law of averages and vast infinities and whatnot) being based off of DNA at all flys in the face of logic. Problem?

Modifié par Bcuz, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:14 .

[Ieldra]

Bcuz wrote...
On a related note, FTL travel flys in the face of science and any alien life (within the feesible universe, law of averages and vast infinities and whatnot) being based off of DNA at all flys in the face of logic. Problem?

No it doesn't. We know that alien life forms will likely be based on carbon chemistry just as life on Earth. It may just be that DNA /RNA-based life is very likely to happen as compared to theoretical alternatives, should they exist. Even aliens being often basically humanoid is justifiable by assuming that evolution went similar ways on different planets.

Aliens being sexually attractive to humans, however, that *does* fly in the face of science - because sexual attractiveness is a result of co-evolution, it won't develop in separated populations. 

As for FTL, I wish they had used traversable wormholes. At least that's not (yet) proven to be physically impossible. Eezo is a nice idea, but manipulating mass doesn't make it possible to travel at FTL speed.

[Bcuz]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bcuz wrote...
On a related note, FTL travel flys in the face of science and any alien life (within the feesible universe, law of averages and vast infinities and whatnot) being based off of DNA at all flys in the face of logic. Problem?

No it doesn't. We know that alien life forms will likely be based on carbon chemistry just as life on Earth. It may just be that DNA /RNA-based life is very likely to happen as compared to theoretical alternatives, should they exist. Even aliens being often basically humanoid is justifiable by assuming that evolution went similar ways on different planets.

Aliens being sexually attractive to humans, however, that *does* fly in the face of science - because sexual attractiveness is a result of co-evolution, it won't develop in separated populations. 

As for FTL, I wish they had used traversable wormholes. At least that's not (yet) proven to be physically impossible. Eezo is a nice idea, but manipulating mass doesn't make it possible to travel at FTL speed.

A truely "humans are perfect" way to look upon the universe.
That may sound a bit exagerated within itself but the idea that "LIFE IS CARBON BASED NO EXCEPTIONS" or "LIFE IS DNA BASED NO EXCEPTIONS" or even "LIFE NEEDS WATER NO EXCEPTIONS" mentality is rather silly, and while no one enjoys a good laugh more than I, we should stop. It is really quite silly.


How life began on earth is a complete mystery, of course it likely happened in a pool of water, or some liquid, but the only way life could "begin" is if
A.) some omnipotent being seeded life there.
or
B.) random chain of molecules and ions formed which had the queer ability to reproduce itself.

Either way it seems silly that all life would need a carbon base, after all it would get boring to just put life based around element 14 out there, so I imagine our god would eventually get bored and change it up, and on the scientific side of things: The strange and complex ability to reproduce itself could likely be replicated without primary use of carbon.

Also if B is true, then life started more or less without DNA, so even if all life was carbon based it is unlikely the "genetic code" would all be DNA.

And that's my epic nerd rant for the morning, I think I should lie down an hour or eight now...

Modifié par Bcuz, 30 juillet 2011 - 09:39 .

[CroGamer002]

Forgot about this thread.

I'll say this again, NO PURPLE/PINK SPACE ELF!!!

[T.Attwood]

Bcuz wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bcuz wrote...
On a related note, FTL travel flys in the face of science and any alien life (within the feesible universe, law of averages and vast infinities and whatnot) being based off of DNA at all flys in the face of logic. Problem?

No it doesn't. We know that alien life forms will likely be based on carbon chemistry just as life on Earth. It may just be that DNA /RNA-based life is very likely to happen as compared to theoretical alternatives, should they exist. Even aliens being often basically humanoid is justifiable by assuming that evolution went similar ways on different planets.

Aliens being sexually attractive to humans, however, that *does* fly in the face of science - because sexual attractiveness is a result of co-evolution, it won't develop in separated populations. 

As for FTL, I wish they had used traversable wormholes. At least that's not (yet) proven to be physically impossible. Eezo is a nice idea, but manipulating mass doesn't make it possible to travel at FTL speed.

A truely "humans are perfect" way to look upon the universe.
That may sound a bit exagerated within itself but the idea that "LIFE IS CARBON BASED NO EXCEPTIONS" or "LIFE IS DNA BASED NO EXCEPTIONS" or even "LIFE NEEDS WATER NO EXCEPTIONS" mentality is rather silly, and while no one enjoys a good laugh more than I, we should stop. It is really quite silly.

How life began on earth is a complete mystery, of course it likely happened in a pool of water, or some liquid, but the only way life could "begin" is if
A.) some omnipotent being seeded life there.
or
B.) random chain of molecules and ions formed which had the queer ability to reproduce itself.

I used to think like this. And then I thought about it some more...and realised it isn't as silly as you are trying to make out. Consider this; taking your 'random chain of molecules' idea (which, if you look into this, there is a heck of a lot of empirical evidence to support this method and how DNA actually came into being), given this planet contains nearly all the elements in the known universe (including some extra ones that humans have managed to create), don't you think it interesting that only one self replicating molecule has actually evolved? If there were other combinations, don't you think that some indication of these other combinations would exist in the 4.7 billion years this planet has been around? Why is all organic life on this planet built using one and only one method? Aren't you curious about that? Whilst (like any scientist) I would never say none carbon based life cannot exist, there is a very good chance that DNA exists on other planets, and that there are other life forms out there that 'are' based on it.

Bcuz wrote...
Either way it seems silly that all life would need a carbon base, after all it would get boring to just put life based around element 14 out there, so I imagine our god would eventually get bored and change it up, 

I'm not sure if you are serious here, but if you are, don't you think the concept that "some supreme being would change how life is constructed simply because using one method is somehow 'boring' ", is silly in itself? Something being 'boring' is a subjective and abstract concept. Boring to who? Why would 'boring' dictate how life is constructed?

Bcuz wrote...
The strange and complex ability to reproduce itself could likely be replicated without primary use of carbon.

Again, this goes back to my first point. You say 'likely be replicated', but in the 4.7 billion years of this planet, is there any evidence? So far, only 'one' self replicating molecule has been found (noting that DNA itself also evolved over time. Thus, life using an extension of DNA is entirely possible, but ultimately, it is still based on the same building blocks)

Modifié par T.Attwood, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:53 .

[Ieldra]

@Bcuz:
Please note that I did not say "no exceptions", I said "most likely". Which is plausible, since carbon is the only element we know that spontaneously builds long chains and forms into complex molecules. And life apparently needs complex molecules.

As for DNA/RNA being almost universal, we have absolutely zero information about how likely it is that life on other planets will be based on something else. We don't even know other organic compounds *exist* that can do the same. In the absence of any such information, saying "DNA/RNA is almost ubiquitous" is as good or bad as any other hypothesis. Personally I think it's not very likely to be ubiquitous, but I can't fault the ME universe for being built on the premise.

It works the same for "humanoid aliens". Personally, I'm not at all convinced that should many other intelligent lifeforms exist in the galaxy, most of them will be humanoid. It appears implausible, yes. But in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, I cannot fault the ME universe for playing with "convergent evolution" except for being boring. It is a possible scenario. And boring is not a scientific concept. All I can say is that I would have preferred it, for variety's sake and in the interest of being less human-centric, if we had one non-humanoid team member. But that has nothing to do with the science, just the art and the worldbuilding.

I do not want any space elves though. I would prefer it that non-human species had faces that don't look attractive to humans as a rule. No need to be especially ugly, but they should look, well, alien. As strange as it sounds, that makes a relationship - if not exactly a sexual one - more believable. Won't happen, though. We have Liara, we have Thane. Tali will get a similar treatment. I only hope they'll create a good compromise of the alien and the reasonably attractive. A too-human-looking Tali would be a disaster.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:43 .

[Seboist]

The problem with having a non-humanoid squadmate is that wouldn't work with the TPS cover mechanics. I would love a Rachni squadmate but it's not to be.

[Benu5]

Be warned Tali Fans, Bioware could make Tali's face so lifelike that it could enter "uncanny valley" (where human likenesses comes too close to reality) and you would find her unsettling. If you keep demanding that they take off the mask, they will want to live up to your expectations and could go too far! It might happen.

[T.Attwood]

Benu5 wrote...

Be warned Tali Fans, Bioware could make Tali's face so lifelike that it could enter "uncanny valley" (where human likenesses comes too close to reality) and you would find her unsettling. If you keep demanding that they take off the mask, they will want to live up to your expectations and could go too far! It might happen.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Even if she looked incredibly human, I don't see why looking at another 'human' would be unsettling (last time I looked, I was one!)

I don't think they would go too far because it would look out of place with the other characters in the game. I can't see Bioware creating a situation where, every other character looks like it is from a computer game, while Tali ends up being ultra realistic. I am sure someone would notice during the games development and mention it looked 'out of place'. Besides, the characters (like Shep) are looking pretty good now in ME3. Why would making them any better be unsettling? There are CGI faces in films that don't create any problems for audiences.

[Art3m]

Quole wrote...

ELVES IN MY MASS EFFECT!? NO WAY!

[Gill Kaiser]

Arcian wrote...

Since I'm not afraid of throwing up magnificent sh!tstorms:

Meh, no worse than Garrus. So long as she kept the voice, I wouldn't mind.

[HulkShepard]

I never really felt anything for Tali. Tbh the only time i spoke to her and chose her was when i was doing her loyalty mission and when i was on the Collector's base. However, if she is pretty looking, i may pay her a bit more attention

[AssassinsReign]

They should make Patryk "Garrett" Olejniczak do a face model

[GSSAGE7]

Arcian wrote...

Since I'm not afraid of throwing up magnificent sh!tstorms:

Nose is too wide.

[T.Attwood]

I'd change the ear-rings. They don't suit her complection...

[RPGamer13]

Judging by the hands and feet, the Quarian to me should be lizard-like in appearance. Yes, anthropomorphized lizards or something that isn't even of this world.

I just saw Quole's pic and I like it, looks like nothing we have on earth.

[FoxShadowblade]

Well considering the fade to black scene of her pouncing on Shepard and making out with him, I think we can safely assume that she has lips. There is no possible reason why it would be making out if there are no lips involved.
Her helmet shows a general human size and shape to it, as well as the fact that her eyes glow. Male Quarians also have slightly elongated faces, but that could just be suit design or a male trait.
Skin color could be anything, no evidence to support any which way.
Eye color or glow is likely a "cool" color, green, blue, purple, silver.

But these are just some thoughts, I personally would have no problem with "space elves". I don't want Tali to be completely alien like in Arcian's picture(which in no offense intended, is ugly), but I wouldn't mind Quole's picture. There needs to be significant human resemblance to do it for me.

As for cybernetics, I would prefer things that are not physically integrated into her body, but are attached on the outside.

And hair? Yes. If she looks like Jack, I will rage. Jack being bald = me never romancing her. It's a con in women, even fake women, for me.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

Quole wrote...

This is what I always imagined she'd look like too. The pupils are a nice addition

[kglaser]

That's very pretty...and the head looks almost turian.

[nijnij]

I hope she's pretty in a "sickly" way, not that I'm particularly into that but with the whole deal of Quarians and their fragile immunity, I'd be disappointed if she were just a generic beauty.

The Qunari female on Dragon Age 2 concept arts (not used in the game though) disappointed me in that regard : it's just a generic hot chick with horns while the males are all monsterish. I think you have to go with the concept.

Btw, Qunari and Quarian are almost anagrams. Mhh... *speculates wildly*

[Jake71887]

nijnij wrote...

I hope she's pretty in a "sickly" way, not that I'm particularly into that but with the whole deal of Quarians and their fragile immunity, I'd be disappointed if she were just a generic beauty.

The Qunari female on Dragon Age 2 concept arts (not used in the game though) disappointed me in that regard : it's just a generic hot chick with horns while the males are all monsterish. I think you have to go with the concept.

Btw, Qunari and Quarian are almost anagrams. Mhh... *speculates wildly*

Just because they have immune deficiencies, doesn't mean they're sick 24/7