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[wombo87]

Have we actually seen how effective a dreadnaught is against a reaper?

The reason I ask is I played through ME1 recently and it occured to me that the alliance dreadnaughts probably didn't fire on sovereign when the citadel arms opened. We know that dreadnaught fire deals damage roughly equivalent to an atomic bomb. Wouldn't that sort of firepower have dealt significant damage to the citadel and killed most of the people onboard? Maybe the reapers shields aren't as impenetrable as we think, if they were brought down by smaller ships. I know that it's stated by certain characters that their sheilds are impervious to dreadnaught fire, but could that just be an assumption? Thoughts? Also do let me know if i've overlooked something and just being stupid lol

[Prager]

Well, in the gameplay demo they had at E3 that showed Shep and Anderson fighting on Earth, the ship that blows up in the sky and makes the whole big explosion that knocks down the platform Shep and Anderson were standing on is a Dreadnought.

So I'm assuming they're not too effective, at least not when they're outnumbered like that one would have been.

EDIT: See this video at 2:12 for what I'm talking about: www.youtube.com/watch
Pretty sure it's a Dreadnought, could be wrong.

Modifié par Prager, 21 juin 2011 - 03:24 .

[Bogsnot1]

The order does come through for the Alliance vessels to give it everything theyve got, which would include bombardment with main guns. Just bear in mind that the main guns impact with the force of an atomic bomb, they dont cause an atomic blast upon impact.
So yeah, once a Reapers shields are down like in the ME1 battle, the Alliance dreadnoughts would tear the Reaper a new one. Getting the REaper to drop its shield would be a different matter.

Edit: Too far away to tell for sure if its a dreadnought being blown the hell up.
But as a side note, whats with that git with the soul patch? Makes me want to knock him the hell down and break out the cut-throat razor. 

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 21 juin 2011 - 03:27 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Prager wrote...

Well, in the gameplay demo they had at E3 that showed Shep and Anderson fighting on Earth, the ship that blows up in the sky and makes the whole big explosion that knocks down the platform Shep and Anderson were standing on is a Dreadnought.

So I'm assuming they're not too effective, at least not when they're outnumbered like that one would have been.

EDIT: See this video at 2:12 for what I'm talking about: www.youtube.com/watch
Pretty sure it's a Dreadnought, could be wrong.

You're wrong. This is Alliance Cruiser. One of many who helped fend off Geth&Sovereign attack on the Citadel in ME1.

[Dexi]

Prager wrote...

Well, in the gameplay demo they had at E3 that showed Shep and Anderson fighting on Earth, the ship that blows up in the sky and makes the whole big explosion that knocks down the platform Shep and Anderson were standing on is a Dreadnought.

So I'm assuming they're not too effective, at least not when they're outnumbered like that one would have been.

EDIT: See this video at 2:12 for what I'm talking about: www.youtube.com/watch
Pretty sure it's a Dreadnought, could be wrong.

A dreadnought is 800-1km long. The main gun is as long. The slug it fires has three times the power of the atomic bomb launched at Hiroshima. 

The council races have a total of 80 dreadnoughts. The number of dreadnoughts each race can have is limited by the Treaty of Farixen. 

[Prager]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Prager wrote...

Well, in the gameplay demo they had at E3 that showed Shep and Anderson fighting on Earth, the ship that blows up in the sky and makes the whole big explosion that knocks down the platform Shep and Anderson were standing on is a Dreadnought.

So I'm assuming they're not too effective, at least not when they're outnumbered like that one would have been.

EDIT: See this video at 2:12 for what I'm talking about: www.youtube.com/watch
Pretty sure it's a Dreadnought, could be wrong.

You're wrong. This is Alliance Cruiser. One of many who helped fend off Geth&Sovereign attack on the Citadel in ME1.

'Kay. Had a hard time seeing exactly what it looked like through the flash of light, and from the outline and the size of the explosion I figured it could reasonably be a DN. The fleet above Earth was destroyed, though -- I'd imagine that includes at least a Dreadnought.

EDIT: Yes, Dexi, I'm familiar with the lore regarding Dreadnoughts.

Modifié par Prager, 21 juin 2011 - 03:35 .

[wombo87]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The order does come through for the Alliance vessels to give it everything theyve got, which would include bombardment with main guns. Just bear in mind that the main guns impact with the force of an atomic bomb, they dont cause an atomic blast upon impact.
So yeah, once a Reapers shields are down like in the ME1 battle, the Alliance dreadnoughts would tear the Reaper a new one. Getting the REaper to drop its shield would be a different matter.

When the slug impacts the shield, does the shield absorb all of the kinetic energy? If not then the impact would cause a significant amount of the kinetic energy to convert to heat and radiation. Would the atmosphere of the wards and the presidium be close enough for these to do damage? gahhh I should know this I just studied heat transfer at university lol. I think i'll stop thinking too hard about it.

[BloodyTalon]

Dreadnoughts are not also widely produced due to some treaties, and think one of the trailers had The Commander and Anderson Standish on a destory hull of one or something so may not be effective when outnumber.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't think a dreadnought would be allowed to fire at the Reapers on the ground, anyway.

Unless they want to make another Klendagon.

[nhsk]

Cant remember how many DN's the Systems Alliance is allowed to have, but precious few like 5 or 7, the Turians having the most, around 45 afaik. - I'm guessing it is one flagship for each fleet, the First Fleet being utterly destroyed in the attempted defense of Earth versus "thousands of ships gathering over Europe" -

So yeah perhaps a DN with support ships could can go toe to toe with a Reaper but not a fleet of several hundreds of Reapers.

[Dark Star]

The ship we saw on Earth was in fact a cruiser, not a dreadnought.  I don't think dreadnoughts can even enter the atmosphere of larger planets due to their size.  

But I doubt that a dreadnought could take on a Reaper.  The Reaper's kinetic barriers seem incredibly strong and we've seen how fast a Reaper can kill allied ships.

wombo87 wrote...

When the slug impacts the shield, does the shield absorb all of the kinetic energy? If not then the impact would cause a significant amount of the kinetic energy to convert to heat and radiation. Would the atmosphere of the wards and the presidium be close enough for these to do damage? gahhh I should know this I just studied heat transfer at university lol. I think i'll stop thinking too hard about it.

The atmosphere on the Citadel is only maintained to a height of 7 meters, so it's doubtful that there would be any heat transfer.

Modifié par Dark Star, 21 juin 2011 - 03:51 .

[wombo87]

^ fair enough I'm probably wrong then

[WizenSlinky0]

The battle against Sovereign was more or less at "knife-fight" distance. Only cruisers and frigates can really engage at that distance. Dreadnaughts are ill equipped to handle close range fights.

[ZLurps]

Dreadnought estimated life time in combat versus a Reaper is somewhere around 0.7 seconds. That's the best case scenario where dreadnought would be using Cyclonic Barrier Technology and ablative armour, though according to ME2 they can't be used in big ships because limitations of available technology and cost.

So, no.

Modifié par ZLurps, 21 juin 2011 - 04:06 .

[blothulfur]

Well a dreadnoughts estimated comabt efficacy versus a Reaper depends upon whether the Reaper likes to play with its food before eating or just wolfs it down.

I feel like dreadnought tonight, like dreadnought tonight.

It takes a lot of elbow grease digging up all these old jokes from their ancient sarcophagi.

[wombo87]

I was wondering more about how effective a dreadnaughts main gun is against reaper shields, rather than how long they would last or their general effectiveness. Maybe with good leadership and strategy they could be somewhat useful?

[Purge the heathens]

In the codex entry for Sovereign, it's speculated that it's main gun can penetrate a dreadnought's shields with a single shot. I guess the second one would finish the job.

Plus, I've always preferred the theory that having its avatar (Saren) destroyed somehow stunned Sovereign and that this caused its shields to go down briefly. Not the continued fire.

[Bogsnot1]

wombo87 wrote...
When the slug impacts the shield, does the shield absorb all of the kinetic energy? If not then the impact would cause a significant amount of the kinetic energy to convert to heat and radiation. Would the atmosphere of the wards and the presidium be close enough for these to do damage? gahhh I should know this I just studied heat transfer at university lol. I think i'll stop thinking too hard about it.

Yeah, it doesnt pay to think too much about some of these things. You wouldnt believe the amount of alcohol it takes to pacify my brain so it doesnt pop a vglood vessel every time I see a spaceship fly through space like an airplane flies through an atmosphere. <_<
On my gravestone will be the words "Sci-Fi killed my liver"

[nhsk]

Well, perhaps it required a lot of energy to interface with the citadel causing the shields to be weaker or fail entirely, a heavy risk, but the price...

[wombo87]

Bogsnot1 wrote... Yeah, it doesnt pay to think too much about some of these things. You wouldnt believe the amount of alcohol it takes to pacify my brain so it doesnt pop a vglood vessel every time I see a spaceship fly through space like an airplane flies through an atmosphere. smilie
On my gravestone will be the words "Sci-Fi killed my liver"

lololol I'm starting to get that now!

[TexasToast712]

 It has the same kinetic force as a Nuke. Not its side effects like radiation and vaporization within a 10 mile radius.

[Agamo45]

TexasToast712 wrote...

 It has the same kinetic force as a Nuke. Not its side effects like radiation and vaporization within a 10 mile radius.

I think it says somewhere in the codex that if a dreadnought fired it's main gun at a city on the ground, the kinetic force released would have the same effect as a nuclear weapon, completely flattening the city. If you explore a bit, there are also a few former 'garden worlds' whose civilizations were annihilated by dreadnought fire, killing all life on the planet as well.

[Medhia Nox]

Perhaps many others have already come to this conclusion - but I always thought the craters on post-Civ. garden worlds were created by the Reapers attacking.

Now it's every bit as likely that it's actually the fleets of desperate races bombarding planets the Reapers are harvesting.

I like that "twist".

[Robodragon]

chances are the kinetic barrier of a reaper doesn't absorb all the energy of dreadnaught main gun blast since it is a phycial object being fired and not a beam weapon so just like the difference when a bomb is placed on the groud most of the energy goes away from it while under it it could make a crater, you know the path of least resistance thing. The dreadnaughts are most of a one shot kill thing cause you ain't stopping that slug very easily which makes them more of a hit it first or your dead sort of deal, but veruses a reaper i'm not sure it could penetrate the reaper shield in its weaker area like what joker does in the end of ME1 when the shields went down, if you want to skwer a crawfish go for the underbelly.

Modifié par Robodragon, 21 juin 2011 - 11:59 .

[Orizont]

"Reaper shields are impervious to dreadnaught fire" - EDI, on the derelict reaper.