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#226
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ZeroCrewX wrote...

I have no idea where you can watch those replays from E3.. I watched them live from gamespot and at the same time from BiowareTV.. Pay attention to what they're saying then come back and appologise. 

I will NOT guide your hand like a blind man to prove a point. You have already proven me you're not worth the trouble. So you have 2 choices :
a) You suck it up, therefore accepting my rulings.
B) you do some fkin research (like you should have done before opening your mouth in the first place)

Those said, I will not be monitoring this thread, honestly it's a total waste of my time trying to convice close minded people to THINK and LISTEN and RESEARCH instead of spewing nonsence. Thank god for universities pushing students like me to do PROPER research.


I hope they also push you to provide sources for your information, something you are lacking in this thread. Hell, Saphra didn't even ask for the source itself. He/she just wanted to know what these supposed interviews said that contradict what he/she is saying. How come you can type out long irrelevant rants but can't provide that much?

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Mordin invented a defence against the seeker swarms and had enough time to shoot some Blue Suns. His research was a "part-time job"...but it was still relevant to the plot. I really don't see the problem here. I am sure Liara can multi-task well enough.

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Mr.House wrote...

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

If she has time to wander around on missions its a part time job.

If said information from the network helps Shepard, LotSB was not a filler, and you can leave her on the ship if you want. No one is pointing a gun to your head forcing you to bring her with you.


Ignore the troll.

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Kazanth wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

I have no idea where you can watch those replays from E3.. I watched them live from gamespot and at the same time from BiowareTV.. Pay attention to what they're saying then come back and appologise. 

I will NOT guide your hand like a blind man to prove a point. You have already proven me you're not worth the trouble. So you have 2 choices :
a) You suck it up, therefore accepting my rulings.
B) you do some fkin research (like you should have done before opening your mouth in the first place)

Those said, I will not be monitoring this thread, honestly it's a total waste of my time trying to convice close minded people to THINK and LISTEN and RESEARCH instead of spewing nonsence. Thank god for universities pushing students like me to do PROPER research.




I hope they also push you to provide sources for your information, something you are lacking in this thread. Hell, Saphra didn't even ask for the source itself. He/she just wanted to know what these supposed interviews said that contradict what he/she is saying. How come you can type out long irrelevant rants but can't provide that much?

I did provide where I saw them genious.

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:39 .


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Saying "ME3 + E3 interviews, they're in there somewhere!" =/= providing a source

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Kazanth wrote...

Saying "ME3 + E3 interviews, they're in there somewhere!" =/= providing a source


Well aint you adorable!

I said BiowareTV, which has their episodes recorded. Your brain working?
I said gamespot.com, which should also have their E3 coverege on site. 

"The weak deserve their fate."

Oh Im so sorry, were you expecting links? Sure, I'll just take your hand and teach you how to walk as well.

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:47 .


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Wait nevermind, my fault.

Modifié par Mr.House, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:52 .


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ZeroCrewX wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Saying "ME3 + E3 interviews, they're in there somewhere!" =/= providing a source


Well aint you adorable!

I said BiowareTV, which has their episodes recorded. Your brain working?
I said gamespot.com, which should also have their E3 coverege on site. 

"The weak deserve their fate."


Calm down. Just because we're arguing on the internet doesn't mean you have to insult me as much as possible.

Why should someone have to drudge through hours of those interviews just for that little tidbit that you say proves your right? Why can't you just tell us what it is?

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Kazanth wrote...

Calm down. Just because we're arguing on the internet doesn't mean you have to insult me as much as possible.

Why should someone have to drudge through hours of those interviews just for that little tidbit that you say proves your right? Why can't you just tell us what it is?


It seems anyone who disagrees with him is either a troll or an idiot.  Maybe he is just having a bad day?

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 03 juillet 2011 - 10:03 .


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Kazanth wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Kazanth wrote...

Saying "ME3 + E3 interviews, they're in there somewhere!" =/= providing a source


Well aint you adorable!

I said BiowareTV, which has their episodes recorded. Your brain working?
I said gamespot.com, which should also have their E3 coverege on site. 

"The weak deserve their fate."


Calm down. Just because we're arguing on the internet doesn't mean you have to insult me as much as possible.

Why should someone have to drudge through hours of those interviews just for that little tidbit that you say proves your right? Why can't you just tell us what it is?


You shouldn't have called me out on the sources in that way. But yeah I might have overreacted, sorry.

I don't like guiding people giving them everything ready and cooked at the table so to speak, just a phase im going through, that said, there's some stuff in the interviews that will really shoot down any bland statements on how LotSB was shallow and whatnot. You just have to connect the dots.

I suppose it takes a real fan to pay attention to details, and it takes an even better professional to understand them. No offence, as you havent seen them.

As for the other guy who is totally a troll, Im not giving you not a link, not anything else because frankly, you barely deserve my replies which you will not be getting again. Peace

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 03 juillet 2011 - 10:07 .


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So much passion in this thread... it just need CAPS LOCK and everything will rock.

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ZeroCrewX wrote...

You shouldn't have called me out on the sources in that way. But yeah I might have overreacted, sorry.

I
don't like guiding people giving them everything ready and cooked at
the table so to speak, just a phase im going through, that said, there's
some stuff in the interviews that will really shoot down any bland
statements on how LotSB was shallow and whatnot. You just have to
connect the dots.

I suppose it takes a real fan to pay attention
to details, and it takes an even better professional to understand
them. No offence, as you havent seen them.

As for the other guy
who is totally a troll, Im not giving you not a link, not anything else
because frankly, you barely deserve my replies which you will not be
getting again. Peace


Why shouldn't I call you out
on your sources? You don't say what proves Saphra wrong and then you
point them towards videos that add up to at least a couple of hours.

I've
seen probably most of these interviews and I don't recall anything that
proves that the Shadow Broker business won't get swept under the rug in
ME3. Maybe I was too lazy to pay attention to the small clues in the interviews but in that case you should come out and say what those clues are.

I don't understand why it's so hard to just say it.

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ZeroCrewX, why are you so caustic? Having an opposing opinion doesn’t equate ignorance or trolling.


And @Saphra Deden, I kind of agree with you.

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Barquiel wrote...

Mordin invented a defence against the seeker swarms and had enough time to shoot some Blue Suns. His research was a "part-time job"...but it was still relevant to the plot. I really don't see the problem here. I am sure Liara can multi-task well enough.


There's a massive difference between Mordin's research and being the SB. In science most of your time is coming up with something and then testing it... the testing often doesn't require you and takes hours to finish and be reviewed so he would have time to do other things, just like real life Scientists have time on their hands to do other things.

The Yahg SB stopped talking to his contacts for 5 minutes while he fought Shepard and Liara and in that 5 minutes you had a wall of computers shouting at you asking where you are. Let me say that again in 5 minutes of not being the SB he had an entire wall of 15-20 differen't people wanting to know where you are. Do you really think the SB having that kind of reaction from his network after such a short period could really be on hour long missions and have things work out? That Yagh was on that ship 24/7 because that's what it takes to be the SB.

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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Mordin invented a defence against the seeker swarms and had enough time to shoot some Blue Suns. His research was a "part-time job"...but it was still relevant to the plot. I really don't see the problem here. I am sure Liara can multi-task well enough.


There's a massive difference between Mordin's research and being the SB. In science most of your time is coming up with something and then testing it... the testing often doesn't require you and takes hours to finish and be reviewed so he would have time to do other things, just like real life Scientists have time on their hands to do other things.

The Yahg SB stopped talking to his contacts for 5 minutes while he fought Shepard and Liara and in that 5 minutes you had a wall of computers shouting at you asking where you are. Let me say that again in 5 minutes of not being the SB he had an entire wall of 15-20 differen't people wanting to know where you are. Do you really think the SB having that kind of reaction from his network after such a short period could really be on hour long missions and have things work out? That Yagh was on that ship 24/7 because that's what it takes to be the SB.


I might be wrong (possibly) but the panic was that the line disconnected (power out) not that the SB wasn't talking. I don't think he was yacking 24/7 but his line of communication is 24/7.



Edit: Added link to vid

Modifié par PMC65, 04 juillet 2011 - 12:01 .


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The shadow broker needs to be connected 24/7 not active. He can broker info when he wants.

Mostly he gets info. Its HIS CHOICE that determines what he does with that info.

Like any selfowned business. He can do anything he wants. If he dosent sell he dosent get paid. That is all. Its not rocket science.

So yes being the shadow broker is a part time job.

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I feel like this has become a thread to bash people who simply think that Liara has some character flaws that need to be addressed. Please, this is just a thread to disscuss Liara's prominence and overbearing importance in the games, not a "Liara is the scum of the galaxy" thread.

Anyways, I never spent much time with Liara. I enjoy her as a character, and that she has the darkest drawn on eyebrows of any asari I've ever seen. In ME1 I didn't talk to her much (although I'm playing through again and following around every squadie and crew member for every last word they will share with me) but there was a definite shift in her personality from ME1 to ME2. She went from a shy, stumbling scientist to a confident, in control information broker. I thought it was a nice shift, shown that she had grown up a bit; that perhaps her time with Shepard had shown her that she needed to be more aggressive to get along in life.

The hug that takes place when you meet her on Illium also didn't bug me, in fact I was rather happy with it, but then again in my play Liara was like a little sister to my Shepard. However, I can see how this would irk people who's Shepard's didn't have a good relationship with Liara in the first game. For example, one of my Shepards has the same relationship with Miranda as Miranda has with Jack. If said Shepard was to go and hug Ms. Lawson, I'd be horrified.

As for Liara giving over Shepard's body to Cerberus, I find that a bit odd. But then again, Cerberus told Liara that they were planning to rebuild Shepard, then I might understand why. Liara knows about the threat of the Reapers/Collectors, perhaps she also thinks Shepard is their only hope of defeating them so an offer to bring back the late specter, even from Cerberus, would be a route she would want to take.

As for the whole table thing, yes it is somewhat silly that Shepard would grab Liara and leave his/her LI to be smacked by an incoming table, but then again Shepard's squadmates are the elite of the galaxy. He/she hasn't recruited pansies that can't take a table to the face, so I find it odd that whoever Shepard brought along got "knocked the **** out." </Chris Rock>

Then I've seen mention of Shepard's dog tags. While it's true Liara gives them to you if you bring her back up to your cabin for some quality time perhaps that's the only time she has them? It would make sense if she had them if she's Shepard's LI/friend, and after all you don't have to get all touchy feely to get them. If you don't invite her up perhaps she never got Shepard's tags.

To sum this up, hopefully her all mighty plot armor gets taken for ME3, because it's true what some others have already said. No one should be safe from the Reaper invasion.

Modifié par Ruse, 04 juillet 2011 - 02:46 .


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I agree no one should have plot protection.

Though i would find it LULZY if Liara and Joker is unkillable in ME3 just to ****** of haters.

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Ruse wrote...

*snip*
Then I've seen mention of Shepard's dog tags. While it's true Liara gives them to you if you bring her back up to your cabin for some quality time perhaps that's the only time she has them? It would make sense if she had them if she's Shepard's LI/friend, and after all you don't have to get all touchy feely to get them. If you don't invite her up perhaps she never got Shepard's tags.




Doesn’t she have Shepard’s tags on her desk? I thought (though this is from memory recall only) that when you tell her about the Shadow Broker information, she picks up the tag frame her desk and walks out with it. It certainly looks like the frame that she hands you in your cabin. I always thought it was strange that she waited until then to give them to me since I saw her a few times before the SB mission.

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KBomb wrote...

Ruse wrote...

*snip*
Then I've seen mention of Shepard's dog tags. While it's true Liara gives them to you if you bring her back up to your cabin for some quality time perhaps that's the only time she has them? It would make sense if she had them if she's Shepard's LI/friend, and after all you don't have to get all touchy feely to get them. If you don't invite her up perhaps she never got Shepard's tags.


Doesn’t she have Shepard’s tags on her desk? I thought (though this is from memory recall only) that when you tell her about the Shadow Broker information, she picks up the tag frame her desk and walks out with it. It certainly looks like the frame that she hands you in your cabin. I always thought it was strange that she waited until then to give them to me since I saw her a few times before the SB mission.


I've never plaid LotSB myself, but I went and looked up on Youtube what you just mentioned. You seem to be right. Liara does have a frame resembling the one she brings to Shepard with his/her tags.

If those are Shepard's tags it's odd that she waits unil/if she's invited to Shepard's cabin to return them.

The video, if anyone wanted to see.

Modifié par Ruse, 04 juillet 2011 - 03:25 .


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Ruse wrote...

I feel like this has become a thread to bash people who simply think that Liara has some character flaws that need to be addressed. Please, this is just a thread to disscuss Liara's prominence and overbearing importance in the games, not a "Liara is the scum of the galaxy" thread.


Once again, I don't hate Liara the character. I do hate how her character has been handled.

I don't find her terribly interesting, but she filled her role in the first game well. I also like that she's one of the few characters in either games who ever asks Shepard how Shepard is doing. She also had some interesting thoughts on Saren on and humanity and Shepard's importance as a human symbol.

Bioware can't seem to figure out what to do with her though. It baffles me.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Ruse wrote...

I feel like this has become a thread to bash people who simply think that Liara has some character flaws that need to be addressed. Please, this is just a thread to disscuss Liara's prominence and overbearing importance in the games, not a "Liara is the scum of the galaxy" thread.


Once again, I don't hate Liara the character. I do hate how her character has been handled.

I don't find her terribly interesting, but she filled her role in the first game well. I also like that she's one of the few characters in either games who ever asks Shepard how Shepard is doing. She also had some interesting thoughts on Saren on and humanity and Shepard's importance as a human symbol.

Bioware can't seem to figure out what to do with her though. It baffles me.


That bit wasn't about you, I hope you don't think I was saying you hate Liara, I see exactly where you're coming from, and I agree with you as well. :P

Hopefully Liara will stay the Liara that she was in ME2. If  she goes back to ME1 Liara, then it really is true that Bioware can't decide.

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Kazanth wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

You shouldn't have called me out on the sources in that way. But yeah I might have overreacted, sorry.

I
don't like guiding people giving them everything ready and cooked at
the table so to speak, just a phase im going through, that said, there's
some stuff in the interviews that will really shoot down any bland
statements on how LotSB was shallow and whatnot. You just have to
connect the dots.

I suppose it takes a real fan to pay attention
to details, and it takes an even better professional to understand
them. No offence, as you havent seen them.

As for the other guy
who is totally a troll, Im not giving you not a link, not anything else
because frankly, you barely deserve my replies which you will not be
getting again. Peace


Why shouldn't I call you out
on your sources? You don't say what proves Saphra wrong and then you
point them towards videos that add up to at least a couple of hours.

I've
seen probably most of these interviews and I don't recall anything that
proves that the Shadow Broker business won't get swept under the rug in
ME3. Maybe I was too lazy to pay attention to the small clues in the interviews but in that case you should come out and say what those clues are.

I don't understand why it's so hard to just say it.


You misunderstand. I have no problem with having opposition or you calling me out. I said the WAY you called me out on them cause my responce to be what it was.

That said, CONNECT THE DOTS. Im not here to guide anyone to anything, if you prefer to dismiss my points, I couldnt care less, however come ME3 I will be proven correct anyway.

To the guy saying it doesnt mean im being trolled. Im NOT claiming he is a troll because I have opposition. Read his posts and you'll get the picture. He jumps threads faster than a grasshopper flaming anything that has "Liara" on it without actuall offerring anything but his own stubborn and stupid opinion. Not to mention he is so thick and close minded that even Hitler would be "Whaaaaaat?".

Yes I am super rude and a jerk. Some people are just begging for a slap in the face. The internet has degraded so much over the years it's now a bucket full of ****.

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 04 juillet 2011 - 04:56 .


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ZeroCrewX wrote...

You misunderstand. I have no problem with having opposition or you calling me out. I said the WAY you called me out on them cause my responce to be what it was.

That said, CONNECT THE DOTS. Im not here to guide anyone to anything, if you prefer to dismiss my points, I couldnt care less, however come ME3 I will be proven correct anyway.

To the guy saying it doesnt mean im being trolled. Im NOT claiming he is a troll because I have opposition. Read his posts and you'll get the picture. He jumps threads faster than a grasshopper flaming anything that has "Liara" on it without actuall offerring anything but his own stubborn and stupid opinion. Not to mention he is so thick and close minded that even Hitler would be "Whaaaaaat?".

Yes I am super rude and a jerk. Some people are just begging for a slap in the face. The internet has degraded so much over the years it's now a bucket full of ****.



You brought up the point that Saphra Deden was wrong in his/her opinion that the SB was more less filler. You said you had heard an interview stating that is was not the case. You stated there were “lots” of interviews as well as “E3”,(you didn’t state anything about if the E3 coverage included interviews or videos). When he/she politely asked you to enlighten them, you blew up and accused them of being a casual gamer for not picking up on it in the first place. You even admit to taking a personal attack on Saphra Deden for asking--not for proof--but to show her what she may have missed so that she could reform her opinion. It is your burden of proof when you use it to state the case of your opinion, and especially a fact. If I stated without a doubt or hint of hesitation that something was true--if I used it as a rebuttal, then naturally, I would want to make sure I could back it up with more than, “Oh gee, go look yourself!” If you don’t want to guide anyone to your truth, then I suggest in the future rewording your statements as something more than proven fact.
 

I agree with the opinion that Liara was kind of pushed on us as a bff and that the DLC was pointless. I enjoy Liara as a character, but I can point out several things about the way she was presented that displeased me. Who knows, maybe her being the SB will have significant ramifications in ME3. You have a differing opinion, that doesn’t mean you are wrong, or stupid, or that you should be referred to as a casual gamer or any other insulting barbs. Maybe the internet would be a better place if people could understand that not everyone will agree. That everyone doesn’t have to agree. That one’s opinion is no greater than another. Maybe it would be a better place if people didn’t think being rude and a jerk gave them the authority of having the right to slam their opinions as fact, then slap people in the face with it. Don’t see this happening, though. Funny ‘ole internet, innit?

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Guys whats the topic and point of this thread again?

Simple question asked, simple answer wanted.