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[KawaiiKatie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...


I don't think you should be nervous that they are going to be kicked to the curb,  Ash or Kaidan are designed to survive. Ash and Kaidan aren't,  but,  one of them was meant to live through to ME3,  which is why they don't take part in the suicide mission.  If they were meant to be tossed out with the bath water they would have been put in the suicide mission with the others.

Yes, but Carver or Bethany were meant to survive DA2, as well. And yet because they had to share content, they were both came off as half-characters. Everything Bioware does with Kaidan, they'll have to do with Ash, too, so they might try to limit Ash and Kaidan's screentime to cut down on the work. Like Carver and Bethany, I'm afraid that Bioware will take enough content for one character and split it amongst two.

Example? Ash and Kaidan's shared animations on Horizon. As if Kaidan wouldn't try to use his Biotics ONCE to shield people from the Seeker Swarms! Ugh.

And that's saying nothing about their shared dialogue. Don't get me started on their shared dialogue.

Garrus and Tali fans are the ones who may need to worry,  there is nothing insuring their particular survival.

Oooof, I didn't even think of that. I just kind of take for granted the fact that Bioware knows how much everyone loves Garrus and Tali (and probably won't DARE to short-change them in ME3) but Casey Hudson just laughs himself silly at E3 saying things like, "Yeah, there's some love for Kaidan, but not a lot."

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 12 juillet 2011 - 01:59 .

[AngelicMachinery]

True, but, I have faith that they’re character was meant to survive for a purpose. Of course, I may just be hoping against hope, but, I enjoy both VS greatly. I personally think Carver and Bethany were implemented poorly and were simply there to give your character a bit of understanding of the other side of the fence. Still, this is just me theorizing.

I did notice the shared amination, I hope that this goes out the window. I think Ash’s new body will prevent this from happening. She’ll probably have a completely different rig than Kaidan, which, will prevent such body imitation from happening. The dialogue may be worry though.

I’ve been thinking about poor Tali and Garrus a lot. I despise their romances, but, I really do each character.

[Han Shot First]

True enough, though I wouldn't say that the ME2 characters die ONLY because of laziness. They can also die because of poor decisions, no matter how logical they seem at the time; for example, Jacob's loyalty power "Barrier" suggests that he might be a good choice for the Biotic Expert, but just try it and see how well that works out.

Choosing Jacob for the biotic barrier isn't logical at all.

It is made fairly clear that you'll need a biotic of exceptional ability to be able to maintain that field to get your team through the seeker swarms, and that isn't Jacob. From a story perspective Jack and Samara are the two of the most powerful biotics on the team, regardless of who the player prefers to have with them as far as gameplay goes. You are told in game that Jack is one of the most powerful human biotics in the galaxy, and Samara's biotic abilities approach that of a Matriarch. Those two characters were recruited specifically for their exceptional biotic abilities, whereas Jacob and Miranda are on the team because of their ties to Cerberus and the Lazarus Project, and the biotic ability is just a bonus.

Assigning an average human biotic (Jacob or Miranda) instead of an exceptional one (Jack) or a powerful Asari Justicar (Samara), is a tactical blunder that rightly blows up in Shepard's face.

[ladyvader]

Han Shot First wrote...

True enough, though I wouldn't say that the ME2 characters die ONLY because of laziness. They can also die because of poor decisions, no matter how logical they seem at the time; for example, Jacob's loyalty power "Barrier" suggests that he might be a good choice for the Biotic Expert, but just try it and see how well that works out.

Choosing Jacob for the biotic barrier isn't logical at all.

It is made fairly clear that you'll need a biotic of exceptional ability to be able to maintain that field to get your team through the seeker swarms, and that isn't Jacob. From a story perspective Jack and Samara are the two of the most powerful biotics on the team, regardless of who the player prefers to have with them as far as gameplay goes. You are told in game that Jack is one of the most powerful human biotics in the galaxy, and Samara's biotic abilities approach that of a Matriarch. Those two characters were recruited specifically for their exceptional biotic abilities, whereas Jacob and Miranda are on the team because of their ties to Cerberus and the Lazarus Project, and the biotic ability is just a bonus.

Assigning an average human biotic (Jacob or Miranda) instead of an exceptional one (Jack) or a powerful Asari Justicar (Samara), is a tactical blunder that rightly blows up in Shepard's face.

What blew up in my face or a rocket in Tali's me picking Samara to lead the 2nd fire team.  Not sure what I was thinking when I did that.  I never once though having Jacob doing the boitic bubble was a good idea.

[Priximus]

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NO! I REFUSE! I WILL NEVER STOP FIGHTING!



[/quote] interesting picture XD were did you get it?

[Sshodan]

@ Xalen
Ok, to summaries - you think that it would be better to have several plot characters in our squad, and you are opposed to having just one? Did I understand you correctly?

Why Liara? Several reasons:
1. She is a character constructed to be easy to voice/ write - her role has her in love with Shep, if she was a member of other race it would either force the designers to make 2 interchangeable characters of different genders, or force a same sex romantic content on the player. Not a good idea even if you are not required to respond.
2. The long lifespan of assari allows us to essentially meet her as a teenager and her still be useful to us. Remember she is 100 years old, but assari standard that's barley out of childhood (it was specifically mentioned several times), she behaves as a sweet but very young girl in the first part and grows up with Shepard's and her mothers death and being left on her own in the second.
3. Her age is although the reason for the "canon friend" - Shepard is her "first crash" - the kind that is had at 13-15 years old, where you collect the pictures of your crash subject, and moon over someone who is out of you league. It's the age when a girls "love of her live" snapping at her will just make her thing that she is foolish and did something wrongly, but the "love" is a prefect ideal of humanity anyway. No amount of screaming and stomping around will get though that "first love haze", since the girl is more in love with the idea of her paramour than the man himself.
Liaras love was supposed to mature with her - in to respect at the very least, friendship if possible and a real adult kind of love if the player insist on romancing her.
That's the reasons for a young assari in that role I believe

Modifié par Sshodan, 12 juillet 2011 - 10:02 .

[Dariustwinblade]

Darius:Haters you have failed, we will find another way! Your all Shepard's choices no matter how bad has the attention of those being infinately greater! They will have to make a story where all the routes end in victory ! That which you know as Liara T'Soni will be your salvation through fustration! She WILL GUIDE YOU THROUGH VICTORY.


..........RELEASING CONTROL...................

[who would know]

I guess it's morbid, but Liara being impervious thus far creates an opportunity in the script for a more dramatic death scene. Vital and personal, unlike the suicide mission casualties. Like Virmire.

Modifié par who would know, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:35 .

[KawaiiKatie]

who would know wrote...

I guess it's morbid, but Liara being impervious thus far creates an opportunity in the script for a more dramatic death scene. Vital and personal, unlike the suicide mission casualties. Like Virmire.

Yeah, I can see Liara getting a long, drawn-out scene where she dies in Shepard's arms.

[Kadzin]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

who would know wrote...

I guess it's morbid, but Liara being impervious thus far creates an opportunity in the script for a more dramatic death scene. Vital and personal, unlike the suicide mission casualties. Like Virmire.

Yeah, I can see Liara getting a long, drawn-out scene where she dies in Shepard's arms.

I'd be pretty pissed off to be honest :-/
Forced deaths are never fun, and a forced Liara death is the worst one I can think of

[KawaiiKatie]

Kadzin wrote...

I'd be pretty pissed off to be honest :-/
Forced deaths are never fun, and a forced Liara death is the worst one I can think of

I'll laugh pretty hard if she quotes Benezia again, and chooses "They said there would be a light!" as her final words.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:49 .

[Priximus]

Kadzin wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

who would know wrote...

I guess it's morbid, but Liara being impervious thus far creates an opportunity in the script for a more dramatic death scene. Vital and personal, unlike the suicide mission casualties. Like Virmire.

Yeah, I can see Liara getting a long, drawn-out scene where she dies in Shepard's arms.

I'd be pretty pissed off to be honest :-/
Forced deaths are never fun, and a forced Liara death is the worst one I can think of

i agree it would TOTALY SUCK if they forced us to see Liara die (

[who would know]

Precisely. Her death could be a hard hitter, designed especially to ****** off. A motivator.

[Kadzin]

who would know wrote...

Precisely. Her death could be a hard hitter, designed especially to ****** off. A motivator.

It would certainly motivate me to fly to Bioware headquarters and punch a dev in the face.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

who would know wrote...

Precisely. Her death could be a hard hitter, designed especially to ****** off. A motivator.

While I am not a fan of mandatory teammate deaths, and in any other circumstance I would be against killing Liara off...

I really want to see that goddamned plot armor crack.

[whywhywhywhy]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

If I were Bioware I'd slap plot armor on Liara once again and have her be the only character you can't kill in ME3.

As both the most powerful information broker in the galaxy and a character that might live for for another 1,000 years, Liara could be used as a common link between the Shepard trilogy and any future Mass Effect games beyond Mass Effect 3. I'd use her as the 'Flemeth' of the Mass Effect series, setting up the plot for future games even if the game is set hundreds of years after the events of ME3.

Oooof....!

I just... I just don't even know how to... Ugh, okay, yes, I can see this happening if only because Liara can live for a thousand years... You're right, I can see Bioware turning her into a benevolent "Flemeth" of the Mass Effect series.

But that doesn't mean they should!

I swear, if my love-interest and my best mate die at the end of ME3 and Liara is there saying, "Don't worry, Shepard, you still have me! We'll always be together.... forever and ever and ever...." I will... I don't even know what I'll do. I'll die inside.

...and then I'll go on the internet and complain.

lol

[kumquats]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Kadzin wrote...

I'd be pretty pissed off to be honest :-/
Forced deaths are never fun, and a forced Liara death is the worst one I can think of

I'll laugh pretty hard if she quotes Benezia again, and chooses "They said there would be a light!" as her final words.

I can see the forums already crashing from all the nerdrage.

[ThanesSniper]

who would know wrote...

I guess it's morbid, but Liara being impervious thus far creates an opportunity in the script for a more dramatic death scene. Vital and personal, unlike the suicide mission casualties. Like Virmire.

I'd be fine with an emotional, personal death scene, as long as I never had to watch it . I don't want Liara to die in my game, and if it was unavoidable, it'd really ruin the game for me. No LI is forced to die in any of the games so far.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Seeing as this is the big fight with the Reapers squadmates should die no matter what you do. Liara shouldn't be imune to this the way she has been this far. Infact it would be nice if she's the most volnerable to being killed in the game since everyone else could have died at some point in the last two games she should be the one most at risk for death.

[KawaiiKatie]

ThanesSniper wrote...

I'd be fine with an emotional, personal death scene, as long as I never had to watch it . I don't want Liara to die in my game, and if it was unavoidable, it'd really ruin the game for me. No LI is forced to die in any of the games so far.

Yeah, because if you want to romance Ash or Kaidan, all you have to do is sacrifice your best friend. <_<


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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Seeing as this is the big fight with the Reapers squadmates should die no matter what you do. Liara shouldn't be imune to this the way she has been this far.

Agreed. I've been saying that since the first page of this thread. If squadmates are going to be forced to di ein this third game, they should all have an equal chance to die. Liara shouldn't be immune.

(Also, I find your username extremely applicable in this matter, good sir or madam.)

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 13 juillet 2011 - 11:38 .

[ThanesSniper]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Seeing as this is the big fight with the Reapers squadmates should die no matter what you do. Liara shouldn't be imune to this the way she has been this far. Infact it would be nice if she's the most volnerable to being killed in the game since everyone else could have died at some point in the last two games she should be the one most at risk for death.

That wouldn't make any sense. She shouldn't be more vulnerable to death than other squad members just because she doesn't die in the first two games.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

@ KawaiiKatie

It's always good to see people approve of my username and its honestly. Its sir by the way.

I would be offended if in ME3 Liara was wearing plot armor that made it almost imposible to get her killed. She's been imortal for long enough she isn't special.

[The Twilight God]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

She's been immortal for long enough she isn't special.

Actually, she is special.

1. Lead Shepard to the Conduit
2. Recovered Shepard's body
3. The Canon Love Interest
4. Shadow Broker taker downer
5. The Canon BFF/confidant

She's a pretty big deal.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 14 juillet 2011 - 04:02 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

1. No one person lead Shepard to the Conduit it was a long series of events.
2. Again more of a group effort and Miranda built Shepard so that tends to be more important.
3. There is no canon love interest. There is no canon anything that can be decided on in the game don't say clearly silly things.
4. Shepard did most of the work. Also the SB won't be important because 90% chance she's not going to be the SB in ME3.
5, Once again there is no Canon anything stop making that claim. (Also Tali or Garrus would be closer to being a 'BFF/Confidant anyway)

She is not a big deal. She is not special.

Modifié par ISpeakTheTruth, 14 juillet 2011 - 04:07 .

[The Twilight God]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

1. No one person lead Shepard to the Conduit it was a long series of events.
2. Again more of a group effort and Miranda built Shepard so that tends to be more important.
3. There is no canon love interest. There is no canon anything that can be decided on in the game don't say clearly silly things.
4. Shepard did most of the work. Also the SB won't be important because 90% chance she's not going to be the SB in ME3.
5, Once again there is no Canon anything stop making that claim. (Also Tali or Garrus would be closer to being a 'BFF/Confidant anyway)

She is not a big deal. She is not special.

1. No Liara, no Ilos.
2. Miranda did a job. Liara risked her neck out of love. Liara wins.
3. Deny it all you want. Liara romance spans all 3 games. She is the best romance. The canon love. 
4. The fact that she got her own DLC makes her better than everyone else. Deal with it.
5. Did you invite her to the Normandy? Liara is your BFF. Garrus is your canon brofriend and Tali is your #1 fan.

She is so a big deal. Liara is Bioware's favorite which makes her special. You might as well just deal with it. Resistance is futile.