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[KawaiiKatie]

Neria Rose wrote...

I hear and obey.

No! Don't you see? People are not themselves around Liara! You come to idolize her. Worship her! You would do anything for her.

The key is Bioware, her source of favourtism. They are Liara fans of incredible size and their power is extraordinary.

The longer you stay in Liara's presence, the more her will seems correct! You sit at her feet and smile as her words pour into you!

It is subtle at first, but you must be strong enough to resist! Do not become Liara's willing tool, eager to serve!

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 14 juillet 2011 - 11:25 .

[Quething]

Does this end in someone getting eaten by a Thorian? Because I'd like to call "not it," if so. I hear that's really bad for your complexion.

[KawaiiKatie]

As if Liara would share you with any other creature.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

As if Liara would share you with any other creature.

Shepard: Liara I'm sorry I'm just not interested in you that way..
Liara: *slasher smile* You will be...you will be.....
Shepard: I'm going to go over here no----*stabbed in the heart*
Liara: They rebuilt you once they can do it again...and this one will Love me!!!! *giggles like a madman*

[Geeblerful]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

I hear and obey.

No! Don't you see? People are not themselves around Liara! You come to idolize her. Worship her! You would do anything for her.

The key is Bioware, her source of favourtism. They are Liara fans of incredible size and their power is extraordinary.

The longer you stay in Liara's presence, the more her will seems correct! You sit at her feet and smile as her words pour into you!

It is subtle at first, but you must be strong enough to resist! Do not become Liara's willing tool, eager to serve!

Maybe Liara is actually a reaper. That would explain why she can't die.

Modifié par Geeblerful, 15 juillet 2011 - 01:16 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

So we've all reached consensus. Liara is creepy as hell.

[CrookedAsylum]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So we've all reached consensus. Liara is creepy as hell.

This, so much. And I like Liara.

[KawaiiKatie]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

So we've all reached consensus. Liara is creepy as hell.

This, so much. And I like Liara.

I approve.

[Xinder5]

I was just looking over some of the earlier pages again...and I feel really ashamed now. I'd like to take this moment to apologize on behalf of all sane and rational Liara fans for any actions taking by our irrational and antagonistic fellows. Their refusal to listen to other opinions and pointless rage for no reason makes all of us look bad. I'm sorry. We'll try to keep them locked in the basement from now on like crazy uncle Vernon.

[CrookedAsylum]

Xinder5 wrote...

I was just looking over some of the earlier pages again...and I feel really ashamed now. I'd like to take this moment to apologize on behalf of all sane and rational Liara fans for any actions taking by our irrational and antagonistic fellows. Their refusal to listen to other opinions and pointless rage for no reason makes all of us look bad. I'm sorry. We'll try to keep them locked in the basement from now on like crazy uncle Vernon.

And you are entirely forgiven. Don't worry, we understand that the crazies rear their heads first and foremost before any of the sane lot. For what it's worth, those of us who question Bioware's favoritism of Liara aren't hating on her. However, and I can only speak for myself on this, the amount of screentime, personal plots, dialogue, and interaction does leave a sour taste when she isn't your personal favorite.

...
And I like Uncle Vernon. He's squishy.

[Dariustwinblade]

This thread started as a Liara hate complain thread and became a thread with extremely creative Bioware quote twist. Kubos guys!

[Priximus]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

I hear and obey.

No! Don't you see? People are not themselves around Liara! You come to idolize her. Worship her! You would do anything for her.

The key is Bioware, her source of favourtism. They are Liara fans of incredible size and their power is extraordinary.

The longer you stay in Liara's presence, the more her will seems correct! You sit at her feet and smile as her words pour into you!

It is subtle at first, but you must be strong enough to resist! Do not become Liara's willing tool, eager to serve!

HAHAHAHAHA 

[Nayt Navare]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Liara's impenetrable plot-armour better come off in ME3... I'm not saying that I want to kill her, but no one should be safe during the Reaper invasion.

By no means do I mean to come off as rude, but I do not understand posts like this.  If a character can't die (Liara, Anderson, Chakwas, Joker, etc), how is that "safe"?  In real war, sure, no one is safe, granted, but this is a STORY.  You need someone to carry on a story (sequel years later, Liara could still be alive as an asari, plus she saw it all, etc), or deliver an ending monologue, or discover the macguffin.

While I can understand frustration with perceieved favoritism, I cannot understand the degree of it in some cases.

[KawaiiKatie]

SE JN wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Liara's impenetrable plot-armour better come off in ME3... I'm not saying that I want to kill her, but no one should be safe during the Reaper invasion.

By no means do I mean to come off as rude, but I do not understand posts like this.  If a character can't die (Liara, Anderson, Chakwas, Joker, etc), how is that "safe"?  In real war, sure, no one is safe, granted, but this is a STORY.  You need someone to carry on a story (sequel years later, Liara could still be alive as an asari, plus she saw it all, etc), or deliver an ending monologue, or discover the macguffin.

Having a single character who "carries on a story" is by no means a requirment in any form of storytelling. Yes, it can be cool when a certain character can be traced through an series (like Obi-Wan in the Star Wars films) but not every single story need have it.

Mass Effect 3 is supposed to be the end of this story. Liara has made it this far with absolutely no chance of death whatsoever. As others have suggested, the ability for Liara to die in this final instalment could be very moving, not to mention a story element that Liara currently lacks. If you've ever romanced Ash or Kaidan, you know how precious and fragile the relationship becomes after Virmire. There's a real mortality to the romance, because you know that for a different turn of events, Ash or Kaidan may not even be alive. The same can be said of the Mass Effect 2 characters; Shepard and his/her companions undergo a suicide mission together, and they (and the player) are very aware that they could die.

Did Wrex's presence not become more meaningful after the very real threat of his death? Did you not value him more as a party member, as a character, and as a story element, after you realized that you nearly lost him?

If your suggestion is that Liara should be denied such an emotional investment simply so she can be a cameo all future Mass Effect games, then you're doing the story a disservice.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 18 juillet 2011 - 12:01 .

[Dariustwinblade]

I don't mind her being killable in ME 3 I just hope you have the choice to make sure she survives in me 3. And has much more content than other characters.

[Nayt Navare]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

SE JN wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Liara's impenetrable plot-armour better come off in ME3... I'm not saying that I want to kill her, but no one should be safe during the Reaper invasion.

By no means do I mean to come off as rude, but I do not understand posts like this.  If a character can't die (Liara, Anderson, Chakwas, Joker, etc), how is that "safe"?  In real war, sure, no one is safe, granted, but this is a STORY.  You need someone to carry on a story (sequel years later, Liara could still be alive as an asari, plus she saw it all, etc), or deliver an ending monologue, or discover the macguffin.

Having a single character who "carries on a story" is by no means a requirment in any form of storytelling. Yes, it can be cool when a certain character can be traced through an series (like Obi-Wan in the Star Wars films) but not every single story need have it.

Mass Effect 3 is supposed to be the end of this story. Liara has made it this far with absolutely no chance of death whatsoever. As others have suggested, the ability for Liara to die in this final instalment could be very moving, not to mention a story element that Liara currently lacks. If you've ever romanced Ash or Kaidan, you know how precious and fragile the relationship becomes after Virmire. There's a real mortality to the romance, because you know that for a different turn of events, Ash or Kaidan may not even be alive. The same can be said of the Mass Effect 2 characters; Shepard and his/her companions undergo a suicide mission together, and they (and the player) are very aware that they could die.

Did Wrex's presence not become more meaningful after the very real threat of his death? Did you not value him more as a party member, as a character, and as a story element, after you realized that you nearly lost him?

If your suggestion is that Liara should be denied such an emotional investment simply so she can be a cameo all future Mass Effect games, then you're doing the story a disservice.

Oh, by no means do I demand she be UNKILLABLE.  I'd love to rescue her in the game, or anyone else for that matter, knowing that character would otherwise have been killed in canon.  My point, and perhaps yours was the wrong post to quote if my meaning isn't clear enough, is that I don't understand all the hate towards the fact that she hasn't died yet, and she might not be able to.  Would I want her to be able to die, to, as you said, enhance the drama?  Of course.  Mass Effect is my favorite series for such a reason.  The thing is, I won't be upset if Bioware decides they want her to continue on, aand I guess I don't understand why people DEMAND that she die.  I guess it's a "degree" thing.

[RhiGibson]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Its because everyone <3s Ali Hillis.

<3<3<3<3:wub::wub::wub: That we do.

[KawaiiKatie]

SE JN wrote...

My point, and perhaps yours was the wrong post to quote if my meaning isn't clear enough, is that I don't understand all the hate towards the fact that she hasn't died yet, and she might not be able to.

The hate isn't so much for her immortality, but in the favourtism implied by her inability to die. By virtue of being the only character guaranteed to survive both ME1 and ME2, she has enjoyed several large, plot-important roles: she is a required squadmate in ME1, she leads Shepard to the Conduit, she recovers Shepard body and she becomes the Shadow Broker.

Come ME3, if Liara is also the only character who absolutely cannot die no matter how hard Shepard fails at stopping the Reapers, it will most likely because she has yet another plot-important role to play that is meant to carry on to any and all sequel games. At such a point, the tale of Mass Effect will no longer be Shepard's story, but Liara's, as told from the point of view of Shepard.

The "hate" comes into play when militant Liara fans hear these complains and suggest that dissenters simply "deal with it." Such a reaction adds nothing to the debate, and hardly engenders more love for Liara.

I don't understand why people DEMAND that she die.

I don't think I've seen anyone DEMAND Liara's required, unavoidable death in ME3. Most people on "my" side of the argument (you know, "Liara haters") just want Liara to be able to die in ME3, if only to bring her down to the level of the "lesser" characters such as Miranda and Ashley and Wrex.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 18 juillet 2011 - 09:23 .

[Taesuun]

Only reason Liara has a "plot armor" and cannot die in ME2 is because she, just like the VS, doesn't play a major role in that plot (yes, she's plays a bigger part than the VS, still not big though). Seriously, when should she be able to die in ME2? Her own DLC? That'd be just silly IMO.

In ME3 she's a squad member and there's nothing to indicate that she'd be any less killable than everyone else.

[KyreneZA]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

The hate isn't so much for her immortality, but in the favourtism implied by her inability to die.

I loathe her because she insinuated herself into each and every (main plot) decision made on the SR1. Example: after Shiara shares the cypher and Shepard activates the Virmire beacon, she has to mind meld (mind rape) him/her yet again (even after the first failure), instead of Shepard just having a "I know Prothean now, it's on Ilos" moment.

I loathe her because she gave Shepard's body to Cerberus. Granted, I loathe "Joker" just as much for not following orders and getting Shepard killed in the first place (and still being "Just like old times Commander" when being re-introduced by TIM). It creeps me out that she gushes and hugs any Shepard that hardly tolerated her in ME1, and has been dead/not seen her in over two years. I hate that Shepard has to visit her to find any trace of Thane/Samara, when EDI clearly states where to start looking as you first disembark on Illium.

Granted, she probably was the best SR1 survivor to track Shepard's body down in the first place, but her motivation (and character "growth") just ends up being creepy. Even if she were the ME1 Shepard LI. BioWare's whole treatment of Liara is a little bit insulting, least of all her immortality.

[Drake_Hound]

TheMarshal wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Ugh, exactly this. Liara may be an important character as an individual, but that doesn't make her the "right" love-interest. Or the "canon" love-interest. I hate it when people pretend otherwise.

The only time I've ever seen people claim she was the 'canon' LI was based around how hard she was pushed as the LI in the Genesis comic, and mostly that was in jest because of how terrible that comic is.

I want people to choose her as a LI because they want to choose her, not because Liara looks adorable:

LoL  Nope she choose me , cause I picked want both option , and Ashley walked , Liara stayed ...
So heck if my Shepard cheats she was warned beforehand
Wonder if I get a rematch in ME3 . or will Ashley shoot my Shepard this time ?

[KyreneZA]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Somebody on the Mass Effect team probably wants Liara to be the series breakout character and they're determined to force this no matter how many times she fails to be that. Face it, Garrus and Tali are the only two characters who come close to being breakout characters.

Well Liara does fill the "to the detriment of the show/series" breakout character role quite well already.

[Barquiel]

Yes...her five minute cameo in Mass Effect 2 is a clear sign that Bioware wanted her to be the breakout character.

[StellarMagic]

Oh god... Saphra has advanced the Wesley theory. All run to the hills!
http://tvtropes.org/.../Main/TheWesley

She's not that bad, but Bioware do seem to have an unhealthy affection for her... and twisting her character to fit her into the plot. That or they just want us to hate our ME1 love interests in ME2.