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[AngelicMachinery]

The Twilight God wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

I find Liara as the "blue laura croft, in spaaaaaccccceeeee". Minus the big ******, of course.

She's getting up there...



...if she isn't already there.

That's quite a growth spurt.

[KawaiiKatie]

Yeah, both Liara and Ashley have done some growing over the last few years. Presumably to compete with Miranda. Or, perhaps, for their own survival. As any sci-fi girl knows, the more rockin' your chest-balloons, the more likely you are to survive.

[Priximus]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Priximus wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Priximus wrote...

LoL have anyone noticed how dumb this sort of sh*t is? I meen really we are all nerds fighting about nerd stuff over internet thats just stuipid LoL to fight over something like this over internet is just pointless no one is gonna win no matter what you write so all lets shut the F*CK UP! and see what may come in ME3 and send some letters if you want to change anything XD

Shut up. Learn grammar.

Despite my gramma sucks you know i am right!! 

No.

I find Bioware's favoritism incredibly obnoxious, even if I like the character.

Dude are you freaking serious? first you tell me to shut up and learn gramma when i wrote that fighting over the internet is useless and how the hell do you get biowares `favoritism` into an argument to dissprove me about the meaningless fighting across internet? <_<

[CrookedAsylum]

Priximus wrote...

Dude are you freaking serious? first you tell me to shut up and learn gramma when i wrote that fighting over the internet is useless and how the hell do you get biowares `favoritism` into an argument to dissprove me about the meaningless fighting across internet? <_<

It's generally not pointless because the devs of Bioware have a habit of listening to fans, if not necessarily incorporating things.

And dude.

It's spelled grammar. Seriously, I have no idea how you keep missing that 'r' at the end.

[IndigoWolfe]

Does this thread still have an actual point yet to be made? And not one that has already been beaten into a sodden, petty, subjective pulp?

Quite honestly, this thread seems like the same arguements of "I don't like how Liara has plot armor, she should be able to die in ME3 because it's a galactic war", "I hate Bioware's favoritism towards Liara, I want her to die", the general "I hate Liara and want to kill her" and the many variations and degrees of extremity thereupon repeated for page after page.

[CrookedAsylum]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Does this thread still have an actual point yet to be made? And not one that has already been beaten into a sodden, petty, subjective pulp?

Quite honestly, this thread seems like the same arguements of "I don't like how Liara has plot armor, she should be able to die in ME3 because it's a galactic war", "I hate Bioware's favoritism towards Liara, I want her to die", the general "I hate Liara and want to kill her" and the many variations and degrees of extremity thereupon repeated for page after page.

It originally seemed like, "If Liara can have this much attention from Bio, can the other characters have it too?" Which I find reasonable. I like Liara. I'm not a Liaramancer, and she isn't my favorite character, but I like her. That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

Modifié par CrookedAsylum, 22 juillet 2011 - 03:56 .

[wolfennights]

naledgeborn wrote...

Liara is undoubtedly the in house favorite.

*Takes deep breath*

Romancable by both genders, can't die, and is canonically required to be on the Normandy during the events of Mass Effect. She has her own comic book mini-series continuing her story after Mass Effect which further solidifies her importance to the overall plot. She's around during the events of Mass Effect 2 in an important enough role to get her own "main mission" downloadable content but not long enough to be killed in the Suicide Mission. She takes up the mantle of Shadow Broker making her arguably the most important power player in the series'. She is a guaranteed squad member in Mass Effect 3 regardless of variables or decisions.

*Exhales*

Am I missing something?

Lesbian alien sex scene, and Fox News?

[Vilio1]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Does this thread still have an actual point yet to be made? And not one that has already been beaten into a sodden, petty, subjective pulp?

Quite honestly, this thread seems like the same arguements of "I don't like how Liara has plot armor, she should be able to die in ME3 because it's a galactic war", "I hate Bioware's favoritism towards Liara, I want her to die", the general "I hate Liara and want to kill her" and the many variations and degrees of extremity thereupon repeated for page after page.

It originally seemed like, "If Liara can have this much attention from Bio, can the other characters have it too?" Which I find reasonable. I like Liara. I'm not a Liaramancer, and she isn't my favorite character, but I like her. That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

It's a Liara hate thread and nothing more.

The OP wanted to know what Liara's lack of death means for ME3.
The second post in this thread (1 month ago) is the answer.

[KawaiiKatie]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

This. There's a lot of interesting characters in the Mass Effect lineup, and more than enough plot-points to go around. Share the wealth, Bioware. Don't lump everything on Liara.

[Priximus]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Priximus wrote...

Dude are you freaking serious? first you tell me to shut up and learn gramma when i wrote that fighting over the internet is useless and how the hell do you get biowares `favoritism` into an argument to dissprove me about the meaningless fighting across internet? <_<

It's generally not pointless because the devs of Bioware have a habit of listening to fans, if not necessarily incorporating things.

And dude.

It's spelled grammar. Seriously, I have no idea how you keep missing that 'r' at the end.

I miss the R because we cleaned the house today so i am kinda tierd <_<

Modifié par Priximus, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:14 .

[CrookedAsylum]

Priximus wrote...
I miss the R because we cleaned the house today so i am kinda tierd <_<
and who the hell cares about spelling when on the internet? I tell you grammar ****s XD 

And I've been up for twenty-five hours.

And I care about grammar because, since your grammar is awful, I have no idea what you've just tried to say in your last sentence.

[CrookedAsylum]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

This. There's a lot of interesting characters in the Mass Effect lineup, and more than enough plot-points to go around. Share the wealth, Bioware. Don't lump everything on Liara.

...Bioware also seemed to lump something else onto Liara, if that screeshot is anything to go by.

Jesus.

[IndigoWolfe]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

Okay, let's say that for Mass Effect Redemption, instead of "lumping favor" on Liara, they had the entire ME1 crew be going after Shepard. That way, instead of unfairly giving the spotlight to Liara, you get a nice even spread of the attention; at the cost of any and all chance at characterization or progression of personality for anyone involved in an already brief comic.

And instead of putting Liara in the position of the Shadow Broker , let's just have your entire ME2 squad share the position amongst themselves.

Now, if you don't think that would work, then why don't Bioware just give it to another popular character? Say, Tali for instance? Well, then Bioware would obviously be screwing over fans of other characters. It would be the same thing if they did it with any other character. Someone's going to be complaining about being "screwed over".

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:25 .

[Priximus]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

Priximus wrote...
I miss the R because we cleaned the house today so i am kinda tierd <_<
and who the hell cares about spelling when on the internet? I tell you grammar ****s XD 

And I've been up for twenty-five hours.

And I care about grammar because, since your grammar is awful, I have no idea what you've just tried to say in your last sentence.

grammar naz!s are the only ones that care about grammar during spring break (and what have you done on thouse 25 hours hmmmmm? you know what dont tell me i wont waste anymore time on this liara hate thread 

[IndigoWolfe]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
There's a lot of interesting characters in the Mass Effect lineup, and more than enough plot-points to go around. Share the wealth, Bioware. Don't lump everything on Liara.

Not only is the bolded part purely subjective, but all those other characters that you're talking about each have their own storylines to finish. The tale of Cerberus and the Shadow Broker is Liara's.

[CrookedAsylum]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

Okay, let's say that for Mass Effect Redemption, instead of "lumping favor" on Liara, they had the entire ME1 crew be going after Shepard. That way, instead of unfairly giving the spotlight to Liara, you get a nice even spread of the attention; at the cost of any and all chance at characterization or progression of personality for anyone involved.

And instead of putting Liara in the position of the Shadow Broker , let's just have your entire ME2 squad share the position amongst themselves.

Now, if you don't think that would work, then why don't Bioware just give it to another popular character? Say, Tali for instance? Well, then Bioware would obviously be screwing over fans of other characters. It would be the same thing if they did it with any other character. Someone's going to be complaining about being "screwed over".

Or, one, maybe two, character was in Redemotion, another became the Broker, and the VS would have their own DLC as well.

Instead, everything is focused on Liara. Of course people are upset.

[Lozark]

I wonder how much Liara's going to grow just for that maquette they're apparently making of her.  Or how much the pose will be breaking her spine.  Friggin' maquettes, I've never seen one that didn't make me throw up in my mouth a little.

Also, the "story of Cerberus."  You don't see why that might bet people a little tetchy?  Liara has a ton of plot that could have nicely been spread around the rest of the cast without any issue, but instead she gets all of it despite the fact that parts of it don't even work well with her in the protagonist slot.

Modifié par Lozark, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:30 .

[IndigoWolfe]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

Okay, let's say that for Mass Effect Redemption, instead of "lumping favor" on Liara, they had the entire ME1 crew be going after Shepard. That way, instead of unfairly giving the spotlight to Liara, you get a nice even spread of the attention; at the cost of any and all chance at characterization or progression of personality for anyone involved.

And instead of putting Liara in the position of the Shadow Broker , let's just have your entire ME2 squad share the position amongst themselves.

Now, if you don't think that would work, then why don't Bioware just give it to another popular character? Say, Tali for instance? Well, then Bioware would obviously be screwing over fans of other characters. It would be the same thing if they did it with any other character. Someone's going to be complaining about being "screwed over".

Or, one, maybe two, character was in Redemotion, another became the Broker, and the VS would have their own DLC as well.

Instead, everything is focused on Liara. Of course people are upset.

You're entirely missing my point.

[CrookedAsylum]

Priximus wrote...

grammar naz!s are the only ones that care about grammar during spring break (and what have you done on thouse 25 hours hmmmmm? you know what dont tell me i wont waste anymore time on this liara hate thread 

You don't get spring break when you're a full time working adult, unless you're a teacher. And I work awkward shifts between two jobs, one I work from out of the house.

Attack and retreat. It's like a schoolyard boy who pulls the girl's pigtails.

[KawaiiKatie]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Now, if you don't think that would work, then why don't Bioware just give it to another popular character? Say, Tali for instance? Well, then Bioware would obviously be screwing over fans of other characters. It would be the same thing if they did it with any other character. Someone's going to be complaining about being "screwed over".

Not saying that all of Liara's plot-points need ot be shared by all characters. Just hoping that the next time Bioware needs a plot-forwarding character to resurrect Shepard or become to ultimate source of information or locate a lost planet, Bioware will at least consider other characters before defaulting to Liara.

As it stands, Liara has all of the important roles. Everyone else is comparatively expendable. Take Thane for example. What did he do to forward the plot of the story? Nothing. His impact on the plot is limited to his own story about his sickness and his son. Or, better yet, what did Miranda do? We thought that she was largely responsible for the resurrection of Shepard, but really she was just management. Liara stole the spotlight on that plot-point.

Liara has enjoyed a wealth of plot-important roles, from Benezia's daughter to Prothean-decryptor to corpse-hunter to Shadow Broker. I'd like to see other characters step up in ME3.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:32 .

[CrookedAsylum]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

Okay, let's say that for Mass Effect Redemption, instead of "lumping favor" on Liara, they had the entire ME1 crew be going after Shepard. That way, instead of unfairly giving the spotlight to Liara, you get a nice even spread of the attention; at the cost of any and all chance at characterization or progression of personality for anyone involved.

And instead of putting Liara in the position of the Shadow Broker , let's just have your entire ME2 squad share the position amongst themselves.

Now, if you don't think that would work, then why don't Bioware just give it to another popular character? Say, Tali for instance? Well, then Bioware would obviously be screwing over fans of other characters. It would be the same thing if they did it with any other character. Someone's going to be complaining about being "screwed over".

Or, one, maybe two, character was in Redemotion, another became the Broker, and the VS would have their own DLC as well.

Instead, everything is focused on Liara. Of course people are upset.

You're entirely missing my point.

What, people complaining about characters getting screwed over? That character development would be impossible if these subplots were focused on more than just one character? These are things that can be rectified with good writing. Focusing so much attention around one character when there are others to explore is not necessarily good writing. I personally think it's bad.

Worse still is railroading individual Shepards into having a friendship with said character, even when there is a possibility that they were not friendly prior.

I'm not saying, "give all these plots to one character." I'm saying give equal plot to as many characters as possible. Which didn't happen.

I like Liara. But I'm sick to death of her.

Modifié par CrookedAsylum, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:37 .

[IndigoWolfe]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

What, people complaining about characters getting screwed over? That character development would be impossible if these subplots were focused on more than just one character? These are things that can be rectified with good writing. Focusing so much attention around one character when there are others to explore is not necessarily good writing. I personally think it's bad.

But they did explore other characters. I didn't imagine all those Loyalty missions and romances, did I?

Worse still is railroading individual Shepards into having a friendship with said character, even when there is a possibility that they were not friendly prior.

Now, this is one issue with which I can empathize. However, Far too often I see people using it convientely forget about a lot of other offenses to the "Shepard must have a neutral relationship with everyone to accomidate for either way of treating said character" rule.

I'm not saying, "give all these plots to one character." I'm saying give equal plot to as many characters as possible. Which didn't happen.

This is just me here, but trying to spread an even layer of gelatinous, buttery plot-relevance to as many characters as possible seems like it would be far more inclined towards bad writing than making a specific character more important to the plot than others. I think in just about any story, you'd find that some characters are simply more important to the plot than other characters.

I like Liara. But I'm sick to death of her.

And I felt the same way about Rose by the end of Doctor Who season two. Others weren't, but I was. And if Rose had really bothered me that much, I would have stopped watching, as was my perogative. But since I was watching it anyway for the parts I enjoyed, I wasn't going to complain about what the creators of the show did or did not do with their characters.

Modifié par IndigoWolfe, 22 juillet 2011 - 04:57 .

[CrookedAsylum]

@IndigoWolfe I'm far too tired to respond to your well-written post with another well-written post, but I will get back to it.

That being said, I hope my posts thus far haven't come off as bashing. Or mindless bashing, if they are bashing. But I can understand the 'hate' Liara has generated, even if I don't agree with it. A poor comparison is like knowing for a fact that you aren't the favorite child when stacking the way your parents treat you in comparison to the sibling.

That said, some people for or against Liara - because it seems to have been broken down to that- need to be a bit mindful. Telling those who are upset with the favoritism to 'deal with it' via macros aren't helping. Vice versa, those who are posting with mindless rage fueled against her should really, really tone it down.

And now I'm off to sleep. Thank God.

[ZeroCrewX]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

CrookedAsylum wrote...

That being said, when she receives as much attention as she does from the writers when you're more interested/curious about the other characters, it can leave a sour taste in your mouth.

Okay, let's say that for Mass Effect Redemption, instead of "lumping favor" on Liara, they had the entire ME1 crew be going after Shepard. That way, instead of unfairly giving the spotlight to Liara, you get a nice even spread of the attention; at the cost of any and all chance at characterization or progression of personality for anyone involved.

And instead of putting Liara in the position of the Shadow Broker , let's just have your entire ME2 squad share the position amongst themselves.

Now, if you don't think that would work, then why don't Bioware just give it to another popular character? Say, Tali for instance? Well, then Bioware would obviously be screwing over fans of other characters. It would be the same thing if they did it with any other character. Someone's going to be complaining about being "screwed over".

Or, one, maybe two, character was in Redemotion, another became the Broker, and the VS would have their own DLC as well.

Instead, everything is focused on Liara. Of course people are upset.

Boo ****in hoo already, first you cry about garrus and tali not being romancable, you get it. 
Now you cry about a character getting more attention than someone who didnt even appear in the first game and whose role is nothing more than aiding with the suicide mission.

Come ME3 you will most likely complain about Legion not getting his own car in ME3, and honestly I will not be surprised. Also quit lying to people, this IS a Liara hate thread. All the evidence points it as such. Read every single post and stop making excuses. Grow up and take it like a man.

P.s this post isn't nesesarrily at you, more like a general thing.

[shepskisaac]

Xarathox wrote...

I find Liara as the "blue laura croft, in spaaaaaccccceeeee". Minus the big ******, of course.

15 years since she first appeared, one of the most iconic video game characters ever yet people still call her Laura lol