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[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Genesis was a joke. BioWare was trolling you like you've never been trolled before. Apply a UV light to the Genesis title page and you will see a giant troll face grinning at you from beneath the surface layer. The end.

I laughed.

Especially considering Genesis doesn't have actual pages.

Hey, Jlb, what is your actual thoughts on Genesis anyways?

I didn't pay enough attention to the writing to comment on that.

[TMA LIVE]

Nightwriter wrote...

Are there any men on this forum who romanced Liara because they derived masculine gratification from being her protector/hero, or were generally drawn to her because of the reason nitefyre gave?

I will admit, there is a high for being a dashing hero saving his/her soon-to-be-romance chick/dude. Or already romanced chick/dude.

But with Liara in ME1, it's such a turnoff. You save her from something she trapped herself in, then fight an annoying Krogan. Only to be rewarded with exposition. And then fainting.

So no, I didn't romance Liara because of that.

Reliance may have played a part, with always checking up on her, asking if she's alright. Or how you're safe housing her from Saren.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 02 janvier 2012 - 05:41 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Genesis was a joke. BioWare was trolling you like you've never been trolled before. Apply a UV light to the Genesis title page and you will see a giant troll face grinning at you from beneath the surface layer. The end.

I laughed.

Especially considering Genesis doesn't have actual pages.

Hey, Jlb, what is your actual thoughts on Genesis anyways?

I didn't pay enough attention to the writing to comment on that.

That's still cute though.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...
But with Liara in ME1, it's such a turnoff. You save her from something she trapped herself in, then fight an annoying Krogan. Only to be rewarded with exposition. And then fainting.

So no, I didn't romance Liara because of that.

What should you be rewarded with, dare I ask?

Also, I romanced Liara at first b/c she had boobs.

[nitefyre410]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Are there any men on this forum who romanced Liara because they derived masculine gratification from being her protector/hero, or were generally drawn to her because of the reason nitefyre gave?

I will admit, there is a high for being a dashing hero saving his/her soon-to-be-romance chick/dude. Or already romanced chick/dude.

But with Liara in ME1, it's such a turnoff. You save her from something she trapped herself in, then fight an annoying Krogan. Only to be rewarded with exposition. And then fainting.

So no, I didn't romance Liara because of that.

Reliance may have played a part, with always checking up on her, asking if she's alright. Or how you're safe housing her from Saren.

 


Thanks for being honest about it - it was not trying tick off  people because ... guess what  I get caught in the other trap... The Ice queen with good  heart and the challenge of overcomeing that wall of well built ice and stubborness.     All the ME romances have hooks that would draw a person to them both male and female . 

to me it just felt like it was pushed in my face.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 janvier 2012 - 05:51 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
But with Liara in ME1, it's such a turnoff. You save her from something she trapped herself in, then fight an annoying Krogan. Only to be rewarded with exposition. And then fainting.

So no, I didn't romance Liara because of that.

What should you be rewarded with, dare I ask?

Also, I romanced Liara at first b/c she had boobs.

Probably a feeling that I really did save her. Like with Tali in ME1, you had to race against time and deal with Fist, and then in ME2, you fight lots and lots of Geth that were trying to break down her door.

When you find Liara, she's in a bubble. I don't feel like I saved her. I feel like I just released her from something she did by accident.

Another thing is importants. If you rescue her first, she tells you she has nothing useful to give you, but promises she's be useful later. While when saved Tali in ME1, she right away gives you evidence against Saren.

[jlb524]

People have archetypes that they tend to prefer over others, definitely.

Or ones they don't like much (I'm not a big fan of the ice-queen/good heart one myself).

TMA LIVE wrote...
When you find Liara, she's in a bubble. I don't feel like I saved her. I feel like I just released her from something she did by accident.

She would have died if you left her there, though.

TMA LIVE wrote... 

Another thing is importants. If you rescue her first, she tells you she has nothing useful to give you, but promises she's be useful later. While when saved Tali in ME1, she right away gives you evidence against Saren.

But that isn't supposed to be the point of saving someone...you do it to save them.  I mean, you can do it for purely selfish reasons but that's bad!

I thought the rush comes from the act of saving itself and not whether they are also useful to you or not.

Modifié par jlb524, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:01 .

[Nightwriter]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Are there any men on this forum who romanced Liara because they derived masculine gratification from being her protector/hero, or were generally drawn to her because of the reason nitefyre gave?

 

please  hold in mind that was not a comdenmation  or generalization... just obeservation.

Both Liara  and Tali have this In needed saving vibe that rub me the wrong way.


If some took offense  - it was not my  intention


but guys be honest - really ther's  a part of you still loves saving the princess and being her hero, having her depend on you.   I know part of me still does...nothing wrong it. 

I wasn't trying to imply it was a bad thing. If the damsel in distress bit was indeed an intentional ploy on BioWare's part, I was just curious to see if it worked.

[nitefyre410]

jlb524 wrote...

People have archetypes that they tend to prefer over others, definitely.

Or ones they don't like much (I'm not a big fan of the ice-queen/good heart one myself).

TMA LIVE wrote...
When you find Liara, she's in a bubble. I don't feel like I saved her. I feel like I just released her from something she did by accident.

She would have died if you left her there, though.

TMA LIVE wrote... 

Another thing is importants. If you rescue her first, she tells you she has nothing useful to give you, but promises she's be useful later. While when saved Tali in ME1, she right away gives you evidence against Saren.

But that isn't supposed to be the point of saving someone...you do it to save them.  I mean, you can do it for purely selfish reasons but that's bad!

I thought the rush comes from the act of saving itself and not whether they are also useful to you or not.

   

This is true  and that is part of the rush but like  a coin it has two sides  for all of us the biggest and best rush comes from doing the right thing. 

[nitefyre410]

Nightwriter wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Are there any men on this forum who romanced Liara because they derived masculine gratification from being her protector/hero, or were generally drawn to her because of the reason nitefyre gave?

 

please  hold in mind that was not a comdenmation  or generalization... just obeservation.

Both Liara  and Tali have this In needed saving vibe that rub me the wrong way.


If some took offense  - it was not my  intention


but guys be honest - really ther's  a part of you still loves saving the princess and being her hero, having her depend on you.   I know part of me still does...nothing wrong it. 

I wasn't trying to imply it was a bad thing. If the damsel in distress bit was indeed an intentional ploy on BioWare's part, I was just curious to see if it worked.

 

No prob... now the air is clear .... discuss.

I have ton clothes to sort through and need something to keep my mind of the boredom.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

People have archetypes that they tend to prefer over others, definitely.

Or ones they don't like much (I'm not a big fan of the ice-queen/good heart one myself).

TMA LIVE wrote...
When you find Liara, she's in a bubble. I don't feel like I saved her. I feel like I just released her from something she did by accident.

She would have died if you left her there, though.

Yeah, but you get what I mean right? There's a difference between saving someone from a dragon, compared to unlocking a door. I don't get white knight pleasure nor feel like I'm a protector if I'm just unlocking a door.

[Abraham_uk]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I don't hate her, I just find it bizarre that every Shepard is compelled to treat her like a long-lost best friend when you could be constantly rude to her in ME1.

Being dead for two years changes things.

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
Genesis was a joke. BioWare was trolling you like you've never been trolled before. Apply a UV light to the Genesis title page and you will see a giant troll face grinning at you from beneath the surface layer. The end.

I laughed.

Especially considering Genesis doesn't have actual pages.

LIES!

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

But that isn't supposed to be the point of saving someone...you do it to save them.  I mean, you can do it for purely selfish reasons but that's bad!

I thought the rush comes from the act of saving itself and not whether they are also useful to you or not.

True. But I don't feel like saving Liara was a rush. At least in how it was executed.

[nitefyre410]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

People have archetypes that they tend to prefer over others, definitely.

Or ones they don't like much (I'm not a big fan of the ice-queen/good heart one myself).

TMA LIVE wrote...
When you find Liara, she's in a bubble. I don't feel like I saved her. I feel like I just released her from something she did by accident.

She would have died if you left her there, though.

Yeah, but you get what I mean right? There's a difference between saving someone from a dragon, compared to unlocking a door. I don't get white knight pleasure nor feel like I'm a protector if I'm just unlocking a door.

 

but would you get if you say saved some from a self imposed exile  because of thier lack of confidence in  dealing with other people?

too clear things up some when I said saving Liara.. I was not just talking about the very act of saving in the mine... more so how the  romance in whole plays.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[TMA LIVE]

nitefyre410 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

People have archetypes that they tend to prefer over others, definitely.

Or ones they don't like much (I'm not a big fan of the ice-queen/good heart one myself).

TMA LIVE wrote...
When you find Liara, she's in a bubble. I don't feel like I saved her. I feel like I just released her from something she did by accident.

She would have died if you left her there, though.

Yeah, but you get what I mean right? There's a difference between saving someone from a dragon, compared to unlocking a door. I don't get white knight pleasure nor feel like I'm a protector if I'm just unlocking a door.

 

but would you get if you say saved some from a self imposed exile  because of thier lack of confidence in  dealing with other people?.

Well, Tali is kind of forced to have her Captain represent her right?

I did really like saving her from being used for political bull****, and was happy that she was happy.

There is a joy it saying "I did the impossible. And I did it for you".

Though I also have a renegon that exiles her.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:22 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Yeah, but you get what I mean right? There's a difference between saving someone from a dragon, compared to unlocking a door. I don't get white knight pleasure nor feel like I'm a protector if I'm just unlocking a door.

I dunno, depends on the door.  What if it's trapped?

Actually, I get what you are saying...killing a dragon feels more 'epic' and awesome.

[Nightwriter]

nitefyre410 wrote...

No prob... now the air is clear .... discuss.

I have ton clothes to sort through and need something to keep my mind of the boredom.

No. Do your chores.

Jk.

I think the damsel bit is unnecessary really. I've never talked to anyone who only romanced Liara because she was presented as a damsel in distress. The repetitive fainting also gets to be a bit much. Ultimately I think the damsel in distress syndrome leads to unnecessary misconceptions about her character. Some people think she is weak because of it -- gets trapped, needs rescuing, doesn't contribute to the fight with the krogan battlemaster, faints multiple times afterwards. Was it really worth such things just to make the player feel like a hero, which doesn't seem to be a big draw anyway?

[nitefyre410]

TMA LIVE wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

People have archetypes that they tend to prefer over others, definitely.

Or ones they don't like much (I'm not a big fan of the ice-queen/good heart one myself).

TMA LIVE wrote...
When you find Liara, she's in a bubble. I don't feel like I saved her. I feel like I just released her from something she did by accident.

She would have died if you left her there, though.

Yeah, but you get what I mean right? There's a difference between saving someone from a dragon, compared to unlocking a door. I don't get white knight pleasure nor feel like I'm a protector if I'm just unlocking a door.

 

but would you get if you say saved some from a self imposed exile  because of thier lack of confidence in  dealing with other people?.

Well, Tali is kind of forced to have her Captain represent her right?

I did really like saving her from being used for political bull****, and was happy that she was happy.

Though I also have a renegon that exiles her.

 

Yes and No... see Tali  Bioware got really  damn clever because  there   are Quarian cultural aspects that play into that ... Tali  and Liara in the same archetype played  differentently because the suit is somthing that Tali really can't control. The politics of how  the  Captain  has to defend a  Quarian on trail is just a way to get Shepard there whether he romance her or not.   This is still a  YMMV  but one can  make the  same  observation's on Tali's romance



I have two Paragons  one that  gets her aquitted and another  thats does the neutral route of  not handing the evidence over.
 

[jlb524]

Nightwriter wrote...
I think the damsel bit is unnecessary really. I've never talked to anyone who only romanced Liara because she was presented as a damsel in distress. The repetitive fainting also gets to be a bit much. Ultimately I think the damsel in distress syndrome leads to unnecessary misconceptions about her character. Some people think she is weak because of it -- gets trapped, needs rescuing, doesn't contribute to the fight with the krogan battlemaster, faints multiple times afterwards. Was it really worth such things just to make the player feel like a hero, which doesn't seem to be a big draw anyway?

It may not be the biggest draw but it could be one thing that draws them in further and then they find other things they like more about her character.

[alex90c]

Nightwriter wrote...

Are there any men on this forum who romanced Liara because they derived masculine gratification from being her protector/hero, or were generally drawn to her because of the reason nitefyre gave?

I romanced her because I played ME2 & LotSB first, thought she was a badass in it and found out she was a full squaddie in ME1 so I wanted to play it.

[nitefyre410]

Nightwriter wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

No prob... now the air is clear .... discuss.

I have ton clothes to sort through and need something to keep my mind of the boredom.

No. Do your chores.

Jk.

I think the damsel bit is unnecessary really. I've never talked to anyone who only romanced Liara because she was presented as a damsel in distress. The repetitive fainting also gets to be a bit much. Ultimately I think the damsel in distress syndrome leads to unnecessary misconceptions about her character. Some people think she is weak because of it -- gets trapped, needs rescuing, doesn't contribute to the fight with the krogan battlemaster, faints multiple times afterwards. Was it really worth such things just to make the player feel like a hero, which doesn't seem to be a big draw anyway?

 


Yes mum  


You right  -  I can understand  that which was not my intention  especally not against a Krogan  Battlemaster... I understand  wanting to and making  the buiness decision  to run from  those guys. .  She is by no means weak as a character  looking at LoTB and the fast one she pulled on the Spectre and spending two years hunting down the Shadow Broker the girl got back bone. Its more of issue how she finds these qualities of  instead not having.  It feels like to me at least she finds them because   Shepard instead discovering the need an strenght reach on her own to him and the romance being a product of such. 

jlb524 wrote...

It may not be the biggest draw but it
could be one thing that draws them in further and then they find other
things they like more about her character.

*in  Mordin voice*

Much like fishing.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 janvier 2012 - 06:48 .

[Nightwriter]

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
I think the damsel bit is unnecessary really. I've never talked to anyone who only romanced Liara because she was presented as a damsel in distress. The repetitive fainting also gets to be a bit much. Ultimately I think the damsel in distress syndrome leads to unnecessary misconceptions about her character. Some people think she is weak because of it -- gets trapped, needs rescuing, doesn't contribute to the fight with the krogan battlemaster, faints multiple times afterwards. Was it really worth such things just to make the player feel like a hero, which doesn't seem to be a big draw anyway?

It may not be the biggest draw but it could be one thing that draws them in further and then they find other things they like more about her character.

Could be. Not sure the repetitive swooning is necessary for that, though.

[PrinceLionheart]

Nightwriter wrote...

Are there any men on this forum who romanced Liara because they derived masculine gratification from being her protector/hero, or were generally drawn to her because of the reason nitefyre gave?

That was actually the reason why I didn't care for her romance in ME1. Or Tali's in ME2 for that matter.

[nitefyre410]

Nightwriter wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
I think the damsel bit is unnecessary really. I've never talked to anyone who only romanced Liara because she was presented as a damsel in distress. The repetitive fainting also gets to be a bit much. Ultimately I think the damsel in distress syndrome leads to unnecessary misconceptions about her character. Some people think she is weak because of it -- gets trapped, needs rescuing, doesn't contribute to the fight with the krogan battlemaster, faints multiple times afterwards. Was it really worth such things just to make the player feel like a hero, which doesn't seem to be a big draw anyway?

It may not be the biggest draw but it could be one thing that draws them in further and then they find other things they like more about her character.

Could be. Not sure the repetitive swooning is necessary for that, though.

 

For no it was not... Tali  was on the way to being that  then she told Qwib Qwib to  kiss her ass then told me to do the same thing on  the ship.


 

even with taking a few levels in badass during LoTSB...she was still swooning in some sceens.

might be voice actress issue that breatheless some what husky monotone works well for Lightining for some reason bugs me with Liara...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 02 janvier 2012 - 07:56 .