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[Dean_the_Young]

You know what's really funny? The way this thread makes 'lack of death' seem like a flaw in an existing character.

"You're too alive. I proscribe 50 mg of Death."

"But Doctor, that could kill her!"

"Maybe, but it's her only chance."

[Dean_the_Young]

"Doctor, it's not working! She's still alive!"

"Damn, we have no choice: give her a 9mm brain hemorrhage!"

[Siansonea]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

"Doctor, it's not working! She's still alive!"

"Damn, we have no choice: give her a 9mm brain hemorrhage!"

Liara: "Ooo, I feel lightheaded."

Shepard: "Dr. Chakwas should take a look at you."

Liara: "I'm sure I'll be fine. Still, it couldn't hurt to see a medical professional."

***Later***

Shepard: "You're looking much better. Are you okay?"

Liara: "Yes, I was impressed with Dr. Chakwas' knowledge of asari physiology. I had a brain hemorrhage, but she fixed me right up."

Shepard: "Yes, she's the best, just don't get her drunk."

Offscreen, voices are heard saying "Nooooooooooooooo"

[TheMarshal]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Actually, that one makes more sense: call it a mix of mis-applied stockholm and childish crushing, which rarely has to be logical. 'Abrasive authority figure' can actually often ben intriguing and attractive in its own right, like tough Sergeants in military culture. Tali being 'young woman crushing' just falls into 'women who don't mind abusive relationships.'

And that certainly makes her an interesting character...  <_<

[InvaderErl]

I don't pay too much attention to that, the game obviously assumes you've been nice to Tali if entering into a relationship with her just like it does with Liara even though you can be completely dismissive and insulting to her 90% of the time.

I wish the game took more note of how you treated love interests but there you have it.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

I'm guessing Liara and the VS will be important in ME3. It makes sense to have a character that's certain to be alive, we may have some choices but the story still has to move on.
Liara's obsession with Shepard's brain was a little strange. Probably because we don't know enough about the asari melding so Liara seemed like a perv. Shep letting Miranda (in my case) get pwned by the table so she could save Liara was pretty funny. Shepard just can't resist Liara's charm, even if is in a relationship with someone else she can't help hugging her or saving her from tables.

[Conquerthecity]

I just think Bioware needed a relevant character to achieve all those things Liara did. And really, out of all the squaddies in ME1, Liara makes the most sense. I mean really, could you imagine the VS, Garrus, Tali, or Wrex as the SB? I can't.

Although, her automatic friendship and rescue of Shepard's corpse annoy me. I have a few Sheps who never spoke a word to her in ME1, so neither makes much sense.

[Nerevar-as]

I think that goes for all ME1 squadies. They don´t seem to mind if Shepard was as much of a jerk as s/he could with them. Liara and Tali love him, Wrex is happy to see them, the VS until you mention Cerberus...

[ladyvader]

Mungolian_ wrote...

I just think Bioware needed a relevant character to achieve all those things Liara did. And really, out of all the squaddies in ME1, Liara makes the most sense. I mean really, could you imagine the VS, Garrus, Tali, or Wrex as the SB? I can't.

Although, her automatic friendship and rescue of Shepard's corpse annoy me. I have a few Sheps who never spoke a word to her in ME1, so neither makes much sense.

Actually, it does make sense.  You don't have to talk to someone to admire them from afar and Liara's wanting to learn more about the Protheans and Shepard's connection to that is compelling to her. 

[Gethforceone]

I've sworn-off playing LOTSB for my canon Shepard.

Because almost everything Shep does in it is OOC.

[Conquerthecity]

ladyvader wrote...

Mungolian_ wrote...

I just think Bioware needed a relevant character to achieve all those things Liara did. And really, out of all the squaddies in ME1, Liara makes the most sense. I mean really, could you imagine the VS, Garrus, Tali, or Wrex as the SB? I can't.

Although, her automatic friendship and rescue of Shepard's corpse annoy me. I have a few Sheps who never spoke a word to her in ME1, so neither makes much sense.

Actually, it does make sense.  You don't have to talk to someone to admire them from afar and Liara's wanting to learn more about the Protheans and Shepard's connection to that is compelling to her. 

Hmm. I guess that's true.

[Siansonea]

Mungolian_ wrote...

I just think Bioware needed a relevant character to achieve all those things Liara did. And really, out of all the squaddies in ME1, Liara makes the most sense. I mean really, could you imagine the VS, Garrus, Tali, or Wrex as the SB? I can't.

Although, her automatic friendship and rescue of Shepard's corpse annoy me. I have a few Sheps who never spoke a word to her in ME1, so neither makes much sense.

To be fair, Liara and Shepard do "embrace eternity" in every game, in front of the crew, no less. So Liara gets to meld with Shepard's mind, and in all likelihood THAT is where her devotion to Shepard comes from, more than any actual conversation she has with Shepard. She knows Shepard's mind directly. No one else except Shiala can say that.

[Oblivious]

lol when I brought my LI into LotSB for the first time (Miranda) I couldn't help but say "Boom! Headshot!" When the table hit her. Now I just bring in heavy hitters like Grunt, Zaeed, and Garrus to take the blow. Or characters I absolutely hate just to laugh at them getting knocked out.

[ThanesSniper]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

You know what's really funny? The way this thread makes 'lack of death' seem like a flaw in an existing character.

"You're too alive. I proscribe 50 mg of Death."

"But Doctor, that could kill her!"

"Maybe, but it's her only chance."

Didn't do that intentionally. Liara is my canon LI, and one of my favorite characters. I just thought it was interesting how she couldn't die and wanted to discuss it. But continuing to do missions with Shepard is a pretty solid antidote to living. I mean, come on, he's already been on 2 suicide missions.

Modifié par ThanesSniper, 22 juin 2011 - 12:53 .

[PMC65]

ThanesSniper wrote...

 So, I just noticed something. I'm not sure if others have noticed this first or not, but Liara is the only squad member who can't die for real. Garrus and Tali can both die on the suicide mission, along with everyone else in ME2, Ashley or Kaidan can die on Virmire, and Wrex can be killed by Ashley on Virmire as well. Liara is the only member who cannot die in the Mass Effect series so far. What do you think this means for ME3?

That her (Ali Hillis) and Joker (Seth Green) have smart agents?

I am sure that they kept her alive for plot purposes ... what those purposes are we will see. I keep waiting for a "surprise" moment in the story and who knows, maybe she is part of it. Or maybe in ME3, Joker will finally kill Shepard on purpose!

[jbblue05]

mineralica wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

She was one of half the crew not to be killable in ME1, and she wasn't a party member in ME2. I'm not seeing her non-killability as anything particularly special, really.

Hm, let's count:
-she should be recruited in ME1 (Garrus and Wrex, for example, don't)
-she - and rather disturbing mind-melting which are too similar to "asari sex" for my taste - is the only character who causes plot progression.
-she has own comic
-it was Liara who gave Shepard's body to Cerberus... and didn't care to tell anyone about that
-unevitable (if you want to recruit Thane and Samara) hug on Illium
-the only char who has DLC
-situation when Shepard protects Liara from the Yahg throwing piece of table, leaving 2nd character knocked off. Oh, that character may be LI.
-one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy, thanks to the same DLC. Why Shepard can't make another character the new SB?
-Hackett gave her dogtags. If I were Hannah Shepard, I'd be offended
-her description in Genesis, especially compared with Kaidan and Ashley's
-the only unkillable squadmate

I agree, one or two items of this list is perfectly understandable and not a big deal, but entire list make me think Reapers will be stopped with some visions from Shepard's brain involved, and Liara will have regular mind melting with him and in the end will explain the secret of the Reapers to everyone;)

This is why I don't like Liara anymore.

Liara is the true protsgonidt to the ME series not Shepard

[Rulid]

Forceful story progression is not only Liara's lot.

I maintained being ****y to Ashley since I first met her, but she calls me a god in ME2 and breaks me out of jail in ME3. Just so I can be mean to her again. Yay!
This is one space marine chick certainly addicted to masochism.
As others have stated, Most ME1 characters are unavoidable.

Throwing your arms around Liara while your ME2 LI gets the table was unavoidable. The devs put great effort to implement playable-Liara. It would have been weird if the table altered trajectory based on your current romantic involvement.

This stuff happens.
I had dumped Imoen at the beginning of BG1. Imagine my surprise when she became a central character in BG2. Who?... oh yeah Imoen.
However the game is merely geared towards presenting a "cinematic" experience.
In fact, the player could consider it a freedom to NOT place significance on Liara DESPITE the dev's intention.

So, yeah, there might be some favouritism involved in some way. How lame would it be if all your compatriots became the god of their selective sub groups they represent.

[KawaiiKatie]

Rulid wrote...

Forceful story progression is not only Liara's lot.

No it's not, but Liara is by far and away the worst offender.

Throwing your arms around Liara while your ME2 LI gets the table was unavoidable. The devs put great effort to implement playable-Liara. It would have been weird if the table altered trajectory based on your current romantic involvement.

I disagree. If that fight absolutely needed to nix the second squadmate, Shepard still could have thrown his/her arms around that squadmate, only to have the squadmate still be knocked out. The fight still could have happened and been focused on Liara, without the insult of implying that Liara is more important to my Shepard than his love-interest.

So, yeah, there might be some favouritism involved in some way.

Yeah, and for fans who like characters that aren't Liara, it sucks.

How lame would it be if all your compatriots became the god of their selective sub groups they represent.

Alright, you lost me there. Liara became a "god" of her sub-group.... but it would be lame for other characters to do the same? Or.... seriously, what is this statement, I don't understand.

[Jacksor1]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Yeah, take Zaeed. He can handle a boulder-sized piece of metal to the face. Don't bring Tali, you'll cringe. And then hate your Shepard for letting it happen.

It's so jarring to see Shepard throw his/her arms around Liara instead of his/her love interest.... Especially if Shepard's love-interest is someone "fragile" like Tali. I mean, I get it if your love-interest is Liara, but for everyone else, it just doesn't make sense! Sorry, Liara, you're adorable, but I will always choose to save my love-interest over everyone else, every time.

Basically. I'm totally elated that Liara has this kind of significance, as she's my favorite character and my Shep's love. When my Shep dove into her to protect her my face was like .  That being said, if it was say, Tali getting this preferential treatment and my Shep dove into her and left Liara to take something heavy to the face I'd be all kinds of angsty.

These things should be a player choice somehow, or it should've been at least made clear that Shep could only save the squadmate closest to him/her from the flying console.  Or that scene should simply take into account your LI if you have one. Shouldn't be too hard to arrange the staging of the scene based on that.

On the subject of plotarmor, I think it would be totally cool if Liara could die in ME3, as long as my Shep could do something about it. Should be the same for any LI. Maybe make a sacrifice for their LI. I'm sure some Ash fans have already gotten to experience this-- people who romanced Ash, but still liked Kaiden and had to sacrifice him for their love. More decisions with serious consequences and more potential for emotional weight.

As I said, I'm totally happy with Liara's situation, though it'd be cooler if all the same things could happen, but at my own accord.

[IPlayForBread]

Liara has always been a major plot character, that's how Bioware designed her. they designed all characters with specific story arcs in mind. Casey Hudson even said to Game Informer that she was always supposed to survive. I would not call it favoritism but when they were designing the overall plot for the trilogy back when they were developing Mass Effect 1, She was designed to be a integral character to the trilogy. And if your annoyed that Shepard dives for Liara instead of your LI Well its liara's Misson to take out the SB and Shepard would want her conscious to fight him.

[Dave of Canada]

Gethforceone wrote...

I've sworn-off playing LOTSB for my canon Shepard.

Because almost everything Shep does in it is OOC.

Pretty much, I hate the forced buddy relationship in the banter between Shep and Liara.

[M-Taylor]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

"Don'tcha wish your girlfriend had plot armor like me...don'tcha...don'tcha..."

Some people here are just jelly because their favorite character get less screen time and plot time. I don't care because any one with a logic would have taken Liara



Also I belived the most romance character in ME1 was Liara. It is normal they would do something with her.

And this is why most people hate Liara, and by extension Tali, fans.

[Alex Kershaw]

Mungolian_ wrote...

I just think Bioware needed a relevant character to achieve all those things Liara did. And really, out of all the squaddies in ME1, Liara makes the most sense. I mean really, could you imagine the VS, Garrus, Tali, or Wrex as the SB? I can't.

Although, her automatic friendship and rescue of Shepard's corpse annoy me. I have a few Sheps who never spoke a word to her in ME1, so neither makes much sense.

1) You saved her life
2) Doesn't mean that Shepard didn't speak to her when you weren't 'controlling'

[Hydralisk]

She is to cute to die! (She is also the Shadow Broker now)