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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hydralisk wrote...

She is to cute to die! (She is also the Shadow Broker now)

*ME3*
Hackett: Shepard you can only save one of your two friends. Decide if you are going to save Liara or Garrus/Tali/Anybody else.

Shepard: Garrus/Tali/Anybody else.

Hackett: I hope Garrus/Tali/Anybody else can accept you saving Liara.

Shepard: Wait what?????

Hackett: Hurry if you want to save her.

Shepard: NOO! I picked the other option!!!

Hackett: Bioware says otherwise.

[KawaiiKatie]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hackett: I hope Garrus/Tali/Anybody else can accept you saving Liara.

Shepard: Wait what?????

Hackett: Hurry if you want to save her.

Shepard: NOO! I picked the other option!!!

Hackett: Bioware says otherwise.

This is so close to the truth, it's physically painful.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hackett: I hope Garrus/Tali/Anybody else can accept you saving Liara.

Shepard: Wait what?????

Hackett: Hurry if you want to save her.

Shepard: NOO! I picked the other option!!!

Hackett: Bioware says otherwise.

This is so close to the truth, it's physically painful.

I know right.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I don't hate her, I just find it bizarre that every Shepard is compelled to treat her like a long-lost best friend when you could be constantly rude to her in ME1.

Well, you could get pretty mad at her for giving you to Cerberus:

"All this time, it wasn't your sources... YOU did this to me!" (could be a little off)

While I'm a Liarite myself, I do understand your complaints. It could be worse, though, like DA where they have no problem not acknowledging or just plain ignoring certain tangible choices you did make, choices they gave you.

I do hope she's killable in ME3, though, if only to fair things out. 'Twould be nice to see our little new Shadow Broker cross the moral event horizon...

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 22 juin 2011 - 10:58 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...



I do hope she's killable in ME3, though, if only to fair things out. 'Twould be nice to see our little new Shadow Broker cross the moral event horizon...

Why did this make me think of Liara laughing manaically and zapping someone with Biotic lighting while yelling "POWER UNLIMATED POWEEEER!!!!"

[KawaiiKatie]

I reject your biotic and substitute my own.

[Gterror]

Don't let the looks fool you,she's actually a Terminator beneath that blue skin, that explains Liara-s "lack of death".

[Antivenger]

She's 15 in human years. You people condone killing children?!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Gterror wrote...

Don't let the looks fool you,she's actually a Terminator beneath that blue skin, that explains Liara-s "lack of death".

If she's a Terminator then Garrus is a Predator....

*thinks about it*

GET TO DA CHOPPA NORMANDY!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Antivenger wrote...

She's 15 in human years. You people condone killing children?!

Only when they're annoying.

Like every child in every Spielberg movie ever.

*tongue in cheek*

*Except for the part about kids in Spielberg movies.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 22 juin 2011 - 11:36 .

[Homebound]

im sure its a story element thing. pretty sure in me3 all bets r off.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

As of ME2, all Shepards are buddy-buddy with Liara. And is now apparently approaching a Matriarch's biotic power.

naledgeborn wrote...

Liara is undoubtedly the in house favorite.

*Takes deep breath*

Romancable by both genders, can't die, and is canonically required to be on the Normandy during the events of Mass Effect. She has her own comic book mini-series continuing her story after Mass Effect which further solidifies her importance to the overall plot. She's around during the events of Mass Effect 2 in an important enough role to get her own "main mission" downloadable content but not long enough to be killed in the Suicide Mission. She takes up the mantle of Shadow Broker making her arguably the most important power player in the series'. She is a guaranteed squad member in Mass Effect 3 regardless of variables or decisions.

*Exhales*

Am I missing something?

That isn't entirely true (in both quotes)...

As Dean mentioned, in ME you can be rude to her or choose not to recruit her until after Virmire and thus the only interaction with her is for her to say Ilos.

What you both forget though is...

You don't have to visit Ilium... hell you can avoid the Crescent Nebula completely in ME2 and get through to the end of the game without having had any interaction with Liara in ME2 at all.

Course... if she is considered as a permanent 'must recruit' squadmate in ME3, it'll probably go down the route Dean has mentioned in that even if you did the above scenario, that Shepard will still be buddy buddy with her despite obviously not liking Liara to the point of not even having visited Ilium.

Before any of the Liara-manics jump on me, I don't hate her, hell I've got 2 Sheps that she is LI for (although one of them cheated with Thane but he dead and that shep gonna be getting back with Liara in LotSB), am just backing the viewpoint that in ME3 the plot armor needs to come off and it would be nice if Bioware remembered how you could be mean to squadmates in ME and maybe have it that whilst she is a squadmate who can be in it from an early point that there should possibly be the option to not use her at all just as you could do so in ME.

[Gterror]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Gterror wrote...

Don't let the looks fool you,she's actually a Terminator beneath that blue skin, that explains Liara-s "lack of death".

If she's a Terminator then Garrus is a Predator....

*thinks about it*

GET TO DA CHOPPA NORMANDY!

We might have a bigger fight in our hands now then Reapers 

[Dean_the_Young]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I don't hate her, I just find it bizarre that every Shepard is compelled to treat her like a long-lost best friend when you could be constantly rude to her in ME1.

Well, you could get pretty mad at her for giving you to Cerberus:

"All this time, it wasn't your sources... YOU did this to me!" (could be a little off)

While I'm a Liarite myself, I do understand your complaints. It could be worse, though, like DA where they have no problem not acknowledging or just plain ignoring certain tangible choices you did make, choices they gave you.

I do hope she's killable in ME3, though, if only to fair things out. 'Twould be nice to see our little new Shadow Broker cross the moral event horizon...

Which really just makes the rest of it even worse.

"I never liked you!"

"YOU did this to me!"

"Hey Liara old buddy old pal, want to go take down the Shadow Broker? Just like old times, buddy."

"Hey Liara, I totally don't mind you becoming one of the most powerful individuals in the galaxy, rather than sending the coordinates of this base to, say, the Alliance."

[Shep-ley]

jbblue05 wrote...

mineralica wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

She was one of half the crew not to be killable in ME1, and she wasn't a party member in ME2. I'm not seeing her non-killability as anything particularly special, really.

Hm, let's count:
-she should be recruited in ME1 (Garrus and Wrex, for example, don't)
-she - and rather disturbing mind-melting which are too similar to "asari sex" for my taste - is the only character who causes plot progression.
-she has own comic
-it was Liara who gave Shepard's body to Cerberus... and didn't care to tell anyone about that
-unevitable (if you want to recruit Thane and Samara) hug on Illium
-the only char who has DLC
-situation when Shepard protects Liara from the Yahg throwing piece of table, leaving 2nd character knocked off. Oh, that character may be LI.
-one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy, thanks to the same DLC. Why Shepard can't make another character the new SB?
-Hackett gave her dogtags. If I were Hannah Shepard, I'd be offended
-her description in Genesis, especially compared with Kaidan and Ashley's
-the only unkillable squadmate

I agree, one or two items of this list is perfectly understandable and not a big deal, but entire list make me think Reapers will be stopped with some visions from Shepard's brain involved, and Liara will have regular mind melting with him and in the end will explain the secret of the Reapers to everyone;)

This is why I don't like Liara anymore.

Liara is the true protsgonidt to the ME series not Shepard

I would add, her DLC makes the reunion and improving romance plot is an unfair one compared to Ash's aggressive ''I can't believe you joined Cerberus" approach. Also you can invite Liara to Normandy after DLC. Additionally she will be a permanent crew member in ME3 i suppose. Oh, sure. Why not we give the Normandy to Liara.

Liara is a treasure for Bioware.

[Chewin]

So what, does everybody want her dead right in the second after ME3 starts?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Chewin3 wrote...

So what, does everybody want her dead right in the second after ME3 starts?

No.
I'm rather fond of her character.
I just want that goddamned plot armor to crack.
For my failShep run.:innocent:

[Legion_Geth]

Chewin3 wrote...

So what, does everybody want her dead right in the second after ME3 starts?

Not exactly, but it would be very ironic if something like that happened:innocent:

[Alienmorph]

Chewin3 wrote...

So what, does everybody want her dead right in the second after ME3 starts?

Absolutely no. I'm happy to have her back instead of taking another "generic cool human soldier". And I understand why BW had to make a character with plot armor, I simply hope that Liara will risk her life as much as anyone else in ME3.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 22 juin 2011 - 12:51 .

[Chewin]

^And that is exactly what I wanted to hear.

[Pride Demon]

I guess it just means Liara has some important role to play that requires her to have done what she did and not be dead... I have no real problem with that as I like her character...

Besides every series has a few persons that cover this role (unkillable and with important plot advancing role), Liara is only unique in that she handles all the "responsability" of this role herself (she singlehandedly has this position in both ME1 and ME2 thus far)...

The reason she is canonically required to survive till ME3 will probably come out on its own in the game...
If this doesn't happen then we may talk about this again, but for now I guess there's no need to be angry about it...
I see where the guys that say she has been shown a bit of favoritism are coming from, while I myself don't completely agree on this...

However, I agree that the fact she does outshine pretty much everyone in both survivability and plot relevance is quite obvious...

Bolboreta wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...
Liara is the only member who cannot die in the Mass Effect series so far. What do you think this means for ME3?

Well, Joker can't die either (ok, he's not a squad member, but he's a crew member). Maybe this means Liara and Joker end together 

Joker CAN "die"... When you control him in ME2 it's possible to fail in completing your task and getting caught by the Collectors with the rest of the crew... Since however his death prevents the game from being completed (it causes a "Critical Mission Failure" screen) this isn't canon if you want to continue te game to ME3...

Here's two ways for Joker to "die":
Pretorian Capture
Scion Capture

[Dean_the_Young]

Alienmorph wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

So what, does everybody want her dead right in the second after ME3 starts?

Absolutely no. I'm happy to have her back instead of taking another "generic cool human soldier". And I understand why BW had to make a character with plot armor, I simply hope that Liara will risk her life as much as anyone else in ME3.

I'll say that I don't, because Liara was never a requirement for most of what she's been involved in since deciphering Shepard's vision.

Recovering Shepard? Action-girl Tali could have been just as good (if not better) a character for it... and would have explained why Tali was willing to work with Cerberus.

Handing out dossier information on Illium? Anyone could have been scripted to do that, even a no-name, or you could pay an actual Shadow Broker agent.

Becoming the Shadow Broker? Could have been arranged to be handed off to, well, anyone. And it would have been a great reflection of Shepard's loyalties: Paragon to the Council, Neutral to the Alliance, or Renegade to Cerberus, with great post-ME3 epilogue consequences.