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[Alienmorph]

Almost anyone else should have fitted the "rise of the nu SB" subplot? Maybe. Was Liara almost the only one who needed such a strong backstory? Yes.

Tali, for example, already has a strong backstory, and she has all the reasons to return to her people with Shepard's death, instead of drifting along 1/2 of the galaxy basically because she couldn't accept that Shepard's dead without she was able to do anything to avoid it.

Liara instead, solved the Prothean's visions subplot, needed a new direction for remaining a plotworthy character. The introduction of her war against the SB solved dat problem, and in a good way, besides the Jack-like attitude she has shown in the comic.

It may be not a so perfect an unique-fitting evolution of her character, but it worked, and I'm more than okay with it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Tali really can't qualify for 'strong backstory' any more or any less than Liara: 'quarian on pilgramige' isn't much more ironclad than 'Asari scholar.' Nor was LotSB really about Liara's backstory, as opposed to off-screen happenings invented after ME1.

Had they wanted, Liara's pre-modern galaxy expertise could have still be relevant or helpful. Liara's studies and investigations could have turned up the Derilect Reaper, or the Prothean-Collector connection, or other information and pre-modern galaxy secrets. Liara didn't need to change professions to something that pretty much came out of the blue Liara could have remained a Prothean/other expert and been even more relevant to ME2 itself:

Heck, we didn't even need a 'rise of the new SB' plot: we could just as well have gone with a 'work with the old SB plot, once we reveal the Collectors work with the Reapers.'

[Jacksor1]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Tali really can't qualify for 'strong backstory' any more or any less than Liara: 'quarian on pilgramige' isn't much more ironclad than 'Asari scholar.' Nor was LotSB really about Liara's backstory, as opposed to off-screen happenings invented after ME1.

Had they wanted, Liara's pre-modern galaxy expertise could have still be relevant or helpful. Liara's studies and investigations could have turned up the Derilect Reaper, or the Prothean-Collector connection, or other information and pre-modern galaxy secrets. Liara didn't need to change professions to something that pretty much came out of the blue Liara could have remained a Prothean/other expert and been even more relevant to ME2 itself:

Heck, we didn't even need a 'rise of the new SB' plot: we could just as well have gone with a 'work with the old SB plot, once we reveal the Collectors work with the Reapers.'

I think Tali's backstory is more substantial than Liara's in terms of giving Tali purpose outside of Shepard's mission, what with her apparent sense of duty and with how much community means to quarians.

But otherwise I agree, there were plenty of other ways they could've kept Liara relevant.

[AdmiralCheez]

I suppose they needed at least one squadmate to tie the games together. You know, one "old friend" that Shep can lean on. Also, there need to be a few universal/canonical events to make a coherent, manageable plot across the trilogy.

However, in ME3, I'm pretty sure anything goes.

[KawaiiKatie]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I suppose they needed at least one squadmate to tie the games together. You know, one "old friend" that Shep can lean on.

But in a game about choices, I wish my character wasn't forced to be friends with someone I don't much care for. <_<

[AdmiralCheez]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

But in a game about choices, I wish my character wasn't forced to be friends with someone I don't much care for. <_<

Well, you know, I'd rather be a cake decorator than an Alliance Marine, but ye olde plot has other plans.

[dreamextractor]

Gethforceone wrote...

I've sworn-off playing LOTSB for my canon Shepard.

Because almost everything Shep does in it is OOC.

One thing that bothered me in her DLC is when the game made you defend either the Alliance or Cerberus. My Shepard is loyal to neither, she's no apologist for either of them :/

[KawaiiKatie]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

But in a game about choices, I wish my character wasn't forced to be friends with someone I don't much care for. <_<

Well, you know, I'd rather be a cake decorator than an Alliance Marine, but ye olde plot has other plans.

But... the inability to choose Shepard's profession is a different issue entirely. I can choose to be a jerk who hates everyone in the entire game, except Liara?

...wow, if that's the case, she is Bioware's favourite. The game must really resent me.

[AdmiralCheez]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

But... the inability to choose Shepard's profession is a different issue entirely. I can choose to be a jerk who hates everyone in the entire game, except Liara?

...wow, if that's the case, she is Bioware's favourite. The game must really resent me.

Wrex and Garrus would like a word with you.

[kumquats]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

But... the inability to choose Shepard's profession is a different issue entirely. I can choose to be a jerk who hates everyone in the entire game, except Liara?

...wow, if that's the case, she is Bioware's favourite. The game must really resent me.

Wrex and Garrus would like a word with you.

Tali, Garrus, Wrex and Kaidan were always happy to see my Shepard, but Liara is my Renegades LI, so I'm more confused by the other four characters.

[KawaiiKatie]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Wrex and Garrus would like a word with you.

Yeah, you don't have to be friends with those guys. That's my point. You don't even have to recruit them. And if you do, you don't have to interact with them to forward the plot. You can refuse to find Wrex's armour and then shoot him in the face when he gets too uppity. And Garrus? You can refuse to help him with Sidonus and then get HIM shot in the face because he's not loyal to you.

But you have to be Liara's BFF-bondmate-Prothean-databank-labrat? And you have to interact with her in both games?

...rather take my chances with the Reapers...

[AdmiralCheez]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Yeah, you don't have to be friends with those guys. That's my point. You don't even have to recruit them. And if you do, you don't have to interact with them to forward the plot. You can refuse to find Wrex's armour and then shoot him in the face when he gets too uppity. And Garrus? You can refuse to help him with Sidonus and then get HIM shot in the face because he's not loyal to you.

But you have to be Liara's BFF-bondmate-Prothean-databank-labrat? And you have to interact with her in both games?

...rather take my chances with the Reapers...

Actually, you can be a complete dick to Liara in ME1 and ME2.  Only in LotSB is the friendship forced.

Advice for ME1: do Therum last.  Hilarity ensues.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

*ME3*
Liara: I have a gift for you Shepard.
Shepard: What is it?
Liara: My plot armor, it will protect you from ANYTHING!
Shepard: Why are you doing this?
Liara: Because someone is going to die on the next mission and I don't want it to be you.
Shepard: So someone is without a doubt going to die on the next mission?
Liara: It's unavoidable.
Shepard: It's just you and me on this one.
Liara: What?
Shepard:

[Undead Han]

If I were Bioware I'd slap plot armor on Liara once again and have her be the only character you can't kill in ME3.

As both the most powerful information broker in the galaxy and a character that might live for for another 1,000 years, Liara could be used as a common link between the Shepard trilogy and any future Mass Effect games beyond Mass Effect 3. I'd use her as the 'Flemeth' of the Mass Effect series, setting up the plot for future games even if the game is set hundreds of years after the events of ME3.

[KawaiiKatie]

Han Shot First wrote...

If I were Bioware I'd slap plot armor on Liara once again and have her be the only character you can't kill in ME3.

As both the most powerful information broker in the galaxy and a character that might live for for another 1,000 years, Liara could be used as a common link between the Shepard trilogy and any future Mass Effect games beyond Mass Effect 3. I'd use her as the 'Flemeth' of the Mass Effect series, setting up the plot for future games even if the game is set hundreds of years after the events of ME3.

Oooof....!

I just... I just don't even know how to... Ugh, okay, yes, I can see this happening if only because Liara can live for a thousand years... You're right, I can see Bioware turning her into a benevolent "Flemeth" of the Mass Effect series.

But that doesn't mean they should!

I swear, if my love-interest and my best mate die at the end of ME3 and Liara is there saying, "Don't worry, Shepard, you still have me! We'll always be together.... forever and ever and ever...." I will... I don't even know what I'll do. I'll die inside.

...and then I'll go on the internet and complain.

[Undead Han]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

If I were Bioware I'd slap plot armor on Liara once again and have her be the only character you can't kill in ME3.

As both the most powerful information broker in the galaxy and a character that might live for for another 1,000 years, Liara could be used as a common link between the Shepard trilogy and any future Mass Effect games beyond Mass Effect 3. I'd use her as the 'Flemeth' of the Mass Effect series, setting up the plot for future games even if the game is set hundreds of years after the events of ME3.

Oooof....!

I just... I just don't even know how to... Ugh, okay, yes, I can see this happening if only because Liara can live for a thousand years... You're right, I can see Bioware turning her into a benevolent "Flemeth" of the Mass Effect series.

But that doesn't mean they should!

I swear, if my love-interest and my best mate die at the end of ME3 and Liara is there saying, "Don't worry, Shepard, you still have me! We'll always be together.... forever and ever and ever...." I will... I don't even know what I'll do. I'll die inside.

...and then I'll go on the internet and complain.

LOL!

Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's story, so even if the Mass Effect universe does live on beyond his trilogy, we've seen the last of him. Since Shep is gone for good after ME3 Id' expect that any future title would be set long after Shepard would have died anyway from natural causes, so that Bioware wouldn't have to explain Shep''s absence. If that were the case all the non-Asari potential LIs should be long dead as well.

Grunt may still be kicking around though! IIRC the Krogan naturally live longer than the Asari, it's just that they usually die violent deaths long before they have an oppurtunity to die of old age.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 25 juin 2011 - 03:36 .

[Optiic7]

Who knows what's going to happen at the end of Mass Effect 3, we will find out on March 6,2012 what happens to Liara and the other Squamates

[Raiil]

I don't hate Liara. I just ignore her. So all the buddy-buddy stuff during the SB mission annoyed me. I would have done it regardless of how I felt about Liara- taking down the SB sounded like fun- and some of the banter made sense, especially the 'crap we're going to die' chase scene and the omni-gel comment.

SB was the second time, in our shared history, where I took Liara anywhere- and that's only because I thought you had to take her to Benezia. I was a little mad when I found out you didn't have to.


And yes, the 'knock out the other person' route was annoying. From a personal standpoint, my LI is an acrobatic assassin; I expected him to be grabbing me. Not from some sort of squeeeeeee TWOO WUBB standpoint, but because that's how he rolls. I was very '...top-notch assassin, survived going on nearly every mission with me, including the entire suicide mission, snaps like necks like whoa. Here lies Thane Krios: pwned by a table'.

[TMA LIVE]

I personally hope she stays alive more of to allow Bioware to have a character from Shepard's team still alive 500 years later in the next game. Either as a epilogue reader, or a character like Kreia from KOTOR2.

Even if she's killable, I think Bioware will do it in a way where they can bring her back regardless. Similar to killing Morrigan, yet it's still left open for her to survive.

[Dariustwinblade]

Why are ppl so pissed off about he not dying. I hate killing off squadmates why can't there be one unkillable character. For the sake of the plot Liara should be completely unkillable for the entire trilogy.

DA 2 had Varric and Flameth and Sandle.
KOTOR had Mandalore.
DA:O and DA:A had Morrigan, Leliana and Anders.

Why are ppl b*tching so much about one consistant character.
Some characters are more important than others. Deal with it!

[KawaiiKatie]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Why are ppl b*tching so much about one consistant character.
Some characters are more important than others. Deal with it!

Ah, the ever-resilient deal with it strikes again! Oh noes!

What bothers me about Liara is that the game forces Shepard to be friends with her, and that she alone out of every other party-member gets to escape both ME1 and ME2 unscathed.

I mean, why can't Joker fill the roll of "consistent" character? No one hates Joker! He's friendly and un-killable! Why do we need Liara to be this immortal fountain of unending plot-devices?

Bioware's obvious favourtism for Liara is a discredit to themselves, their writing, the rest of Mass Effect's wonderful cast, and, most of all, the player.

[Asari_Party]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

What bothers me about Liara is that the game forces Shepard to be friends with her, and that she alone out of every other party-member gets to escape both ME1 and ME2 unscathed.

I mean, why can't Joker fill the roll of "consistent" character? No one hates Joker! He's friendly and un-killable! Why do we need Liara to be this immortal fountain of unending plot-devices?

Bioware's obvious favourtism for Liara is a discredit to themselves, their writing, the rest of Mass Effect's wonderful cast, and, most of all, the player.

Bioware forces Shepard to be friendly with Garrus (who is a squadmate in all three games!). Does this bother you as well ?

[lovgreno]

This means they wanted to have the possibility to put Liara in the main story of ME3. Deal with it. I can, even without being a big Liara fan.

[KawaiiKatie]

Roxy12 wrote...

Bioware forces Shepard to be friendly with Garrus (who is a squadmate in all three games!). Does this bother you as well ?

Not true! You can tell Garrus to bugger off in ME1 (which is hilarious when you find him again in ME2, 'cause instead of going "Garrus! Hey buddy!" Shepard instead goes, "...Garrus Vakarian? ...what're YOU doing here?") and be a total dick to him in ME2. Shepard can outright refuse to help Garrus with his Sidonis problem, and even if Shepard does help him, Shepard can be all, "Serves you right! You made the mistake of getting PERSONAL! Quit crying and MAN UP!"

But Liara? Nope. You have to recruit her and you have to mind-meld with her and you have to hug her (twice, if you play LotSB) and you'll probably have to recruit her again in ME3.

Oh, and if you want your dogtags, which Hackett specifically gave to Liara (not, BTW, Kaidan or Ash or SPACER-SHEPARD'S MOTHER) to return to Shepard, you have to play nice with Liara and invite her up for drinks in your cabin. If you try to keep things "professional" and tell Liara that you're just not into her that way, she keeps Shepard's dogtags for herself. Which is bullcrap, if you ask me.

So no, Garrus' completely optional buddy-time does not bother me as much as Liara's repeatedly forced relationship.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Garrus can die, unlike Liara. She gets to live forever and ever and ever....

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:33 .

[Asari_Party]

But you know that Liara's ME2 content is completely optional, yes? You don't even have to visit Illium to start the collector base mission. Now try to finish the game without Garrus. You're right, Shepard can tell Garrus to bugger off in ME1 - and Garrus is still Shepards canon buddy in Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Roxy12, 03 juillet 2011 - 09:35 .